Ramaswamy leaving Trump's DOGE to pursue run for Ohio governor
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Lol...any port of entry as you said. Anybody flying to Canada can't enter without a valid visa from immigration Canada..even refugee applicants go through the canadian embassy and get printed a visa in their home country. Anybody from the US are detained at the border until a decision is made
That decision will deteine if they will be allowed and awarded a visa or not...you are mis informed if you think Anybody that shows up at the border is already a legal.migrant...get your facts straight. At the border you present all the paperwork you have on what type of status you are trying ro be to enter. Are uou a foreign worker a refugee or a newly immigrant via sponsor as a spouse or in some cases sponsored by parents who are Canadian citizens...you see this is why most legal immigrants voted for Trump.... they went through all the gauntlet of the immigration process all those years and Biden just opened the border...
If they are flying one needs to be referred by an agency such as the UNHCR and go through the Canadian embassy.
But they can show up at a land border for asylum as we have STCA with the US.
And dont conflate other visa types and sponsorships with asylum claims here.
But you digress.
We are talking about people showing up at the US/Mexico border.
It is allowed to show up at the US border and claim asylum.
The person is processed and if they have an asylum case they are allowed to enter and asked to present at an immigration court.
This is a legally correct process.
Therefore it is legal to claim asylum and all asylees are legal immigrants.
Even the US does not consider them illegal immigrants for the purposes of reporting.
They are misrepresented as such by the MAGA press.
Lol no...where are you getting your info? Asylum seekers are processed just like other people trying to get in the country. Once they are approved. They are granted permit and work permit towards becoming a landed immigrant including social security number...then you can call them legal or documented....what you're saying g is what Biden did...which was fucked up. Biden is gone dude and his border policy is dead. Those who crossed the border without proper vetting will be deported. Can they come back? Sure...in the right channels and with proper process...
I am getting my info from USCIS and other immigration law sources.
Asylum seekers are not approved at the border.
It is only determined if the person has a valid asylum claim.
They call this threshold screening interviews or credible fear screening.
Those who do not pass this, are sent back.
Those who do become asylees who need to present their case in immigration courts.
Asylum cases are heard in immigration courts to be approved after which they get a stamped card.
A year later they can apply for a green card.
This is the process.
When they present to the border, they are "undocumented" as they dont have any type of visa.
But when the present their documents, and are accepted and allowed entry to the US, they become legal.
They are legal immigrants by definition of the law.
Thats why they can apply for a social security card, work without an employment authorization etc.,
You don't get to apply your own definitions here like the MAGA press does.
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This is the process.
When they present to the border, they are "undocumented" as they dont have any type of visa.
But when the present their documents, and are accepted and allowed entry to the US, they become legal.
They are legal immigrants by definition of the law.
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Lol...that is what im saying...lol...they become legal when accepted....hahaha
This is the process.
When they present to the border, they are "undocumented" as they dont have any type of visa.
But when the present their documents, and are accepted and allowed entry to the US, they become legal.
They are legal immigrants by definition of the law.
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Lol...that is what im saying...lol...they become legal when accepted....hahaha
Okay.
But MAGA try to spin it and say that these migrants (who are allowed in) are all illegal and are invading etc.,
In reality they become legal immigrants once they go through the process and are allowed in, because CBP determines they have a valid asylum claim.
The US signed treaties in the 1950's undertaking to give each asylum seeker with anything approaching a reasonable claim a hearing in immigration court. Until the court accepts that claim - or rejects it - the claimants are present simply awaiting their hearing.
It was that radical leftie Eisenhower who signed that and the GOP backed him. Nothing to do with the Dems at all.
No. They are legal as probationary until they get their trial.
You don't know anything about this.
You are wrong once again monkey man.
In U.S. legal terms, an asylum seeker is a foreign national who seeks protection in the United States by applying for asylum under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). Specifically, asylum is granted to individuals who meet the definition of a refugee under U.S. law, as defined in 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(42)(A), and who are already present in the United States or at a port of entry.
Definition of a Refugee (as it applies to asylum seekers)
Under 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(42)(A), a refugee is defined as:
A person who is unable or unwilling to return to their country of nationality (or last habitual residence if stateless) because of a well-founded fear of persecution based on one or more of the following protected grounds:
1. Race
2. Religion
3. Nationality
4. Membership in a particular social group
5. Political opinion
Out of the millions who have crossed, do you honestly think this applies to the majority of them? I bet this applies to a tiny fraction based on an analysis of the countries they are coming from. Most of them are coming because they are in the lower classes in their respective countries and have shitty lives. By filing themselves under asylum seeker, they are lying, and therefore here illegally.
This is basically what Rich is saying. I don’t know why you have a hard time comprehending simple concepts monkey man.
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Does it apply to a majority? No.
Are they lying? Not necessarily.
Asylees who enter have to pass the credible fear screening interviews. - Example.
Most migrants are turned back at the border.
Of the millions who enter after passing credible fear screening and present to an immigration court the denial rate is about 55% I think.
Therefore until the immigration court hears their case and rules, they are still legal as asylees.
If after the court denies their application, on first hearing or on appeal, and they refuse to go back, you'd be right that they are here illegally.
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This may have been true but not in the last few years under Biden which we are referring to. I don’t think it is close to 55 percent and it is much lower that were turned back. Can you provide proof of this number. Again, during the Biden administration in 2021 to 2023. There doesn’t seem to be great data on that so that’s why I’m asking.
I can provide migrant encounters. What major catastrophe happened in Central and South America to warrant such an increase, other than migrants learning it just got so much easier to get to America after Biden got to power. There were even videos on tik tok detailing exactly what to do to get across the border points. I don’t buy it that most were legal asylum seekers.
• 2016: 408,870 encounters
• 2017: 415,517 encounters
• 2018: 521,090 encounters
• 2019: 977,509 encounters
• 2020: 458,088 encounters
• 2021: 1,734,686 encounters
• 2022: 2,378,944 encounters
• 2023: 2,766,582 encounters
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Migrant encounters are not good numbers to use because they are not unique encounters.
Dont forget COVID because of which Title 42 was in effect during 2019 to early 2022.
The gangs and drug cartels wreak havoc in those parts.
I dont know if you've visited Central America but when I was there I have seen armed guards at McDonalds.
Its pretty bad.
And the CBP One app streamlined these encounters but now that Trump has shut it down, it will be worse.
Recently asylum denials have been at record highs because of lots of people applying for it too.
So the system is working as it should.
But the asylum rate I googled.
But, on average, more than half of all asylum cases in the United States over the past five years have been denied, a sentiment that has repeatedly been said by at least one South Texas congressman.
The nationwide asylum denial rate from 2019 through 2024 was 57.7%, according to the TRAC report released in November.
look at that growth
that is huge problem
socialist induced economic and societal collapse in Venezuela perhaps
2 million people have left Venezuela
No wonder. The socialist really know how to screw things up
however blithering idiots like AOC , getting a platform and declaring their support for open boarders is likely the real culprit
The migrants also likely heard Joe Biden was doing little about it
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Irresponsible messaging moves around the world much quicker these days
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Despite the maggots saying that. Ice can't deport them if they are accepted. There is nothing ice can do if they are legal even if Maga people whine.
The problem was not the asylum seekers who are granted entry...the ones that were allowed...your explanation is what exactly what I was explaining. Nothing g to do with democrats and Republicans... has to do with Biden policy that allowed undocumented to come in....reason Trump won.
When they become probationary that is part of the process..it's always laughable when you squeeze into an argument and don't know how it started. Not a single asylum seeker becomes a legal immigrant just by showing up at the border. They need to present documentation. Processed and determined if they can or can not be accepted.
That post was about fighting billionaire control over social media as much as about enshittification.
Cory argues they are related.
