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This may be opening a real can of worms, but I'd like to engage in a constructive dialogue on this topic in light of recent protests in America over the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman tragedy.

This is one issue that puzzles me - For decades, there have been 100s of neighbourhoods in America that are essentially ruled by gangs. They are largely organized homogeneously around race/ ethnicity. They clearly have a "Neighbourhood Watch", except it is militarized, brutal and lethal. Im not sure the local community actually held a meeting and invited them to form their organization it was likely established by force. They watch over their turf. They actually profile people. They actually hunt and stalk people. They engage in criminal activity routinely, including pre meditated murder.

Are they racist(s)?

I appreciate that race & bias are complex issues. I am not trying to offend anyone. I am genuinely curious about the "equivalence" when thinking about racism in America today. I am open to a wide range of persuasive views from others. I am sure that others have studied and experienced these issues more than I have, so I am hopeful of finding a real teachable moment for myself and others.

My biases ? - I will try and be critical in my assessment of my own biases. I am anti division, whether on the basis of class, race, religion, gender, sexual identification, income, wealth and other "categories". I feel strongly that there is too much division in the world today. I am currently of the view that we dont talk reasonably about the right issues , in a civil/ informative way , rather, we get caught up in the minutiae of a media led / talking point/ ill informed narrative. Too many thought and discussion leaders have personal agendas to maintain their power and affluence- to the detriment of those of us living outside the benefits, perqs, access and protection they maintain for themselves .
 

whatsinaname

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This may be opening a real can of worms, but I'd like to engage in a constructive dialogue on this topic in light of recent protests in America over the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman tragedy.

This is one issue that puzzles me - For decades, there have been 100s of neighbourhoods in America that are essentially ruled by gangs. They are largely organized homogeneously around race/ ethnicity. They clearly have a "Neighbourhood Watch", except it is militarized, brutal and lethal. Im not sure the local community actually held a meeting and invited them to form their organization it was likely established by force. They watch over their turf. They actually profile people. They actually hunt and stalk people. They engage in criminal activity routinely, including pre meditated murder.

Are they racist(s)?

I appreciate that race & bias are complex issues. I am not trying to offend anyone. I am genuinely curious about the "equivalence" when thinking about racism in America today. I am open to a wide range of persuasive views from others. I am sure that others have studied and experienced these issues more than I have, so I am hopeful of finding a real teachable moment for myself and others.

My biases ? - I will try and be critical in my assessment of my own biases. I am anti division, whether on the basis of class, race, religion, gender, sexual identification, income, wealth and other "categories". I feel strongly that there is too much division in the world today. I am currently of the view that we dont talk reasonably about the right issues , in a civil/ informative way , rather, we get caught up in the minutiae of a media led / talking point/ ill informed narrative. Too many thought and discussion leaders have personal agendas to maintain their power and affluence- to the detriment of those of us living outside the benefits, perqs, access and protection they maintain for themselves .


The word Cracker was allowed to be said on CNN and all other news media. The N word is not. There is your answer. Racism is only okay if it is against white people and it is not called racism, it is called fair play.
 

wazup

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Nobody takes the word cracker seriously because there is no history to it, it`s a made up word with no stigma attached to it. Nigger is a word that is directly affiliated with blacks being slaves to whites.
 

Curious36

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EVERYONE is racist/predudiced to some degree. Some will deny/mask it to make themselves or others around them feel better, but it still exists within. Of course the degree of racism varies considerably from individual to individual and from location to location in general but it is there. It is human nature, and a survival instinct to judge others....like it or not. Past person experience(s), combined with some degree of media attention and upbringing all contribute to forge ones opinion of various races. If someone tells me that they are not the slight bit racist, I have just heard a liar speak......
 

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This may be opening a real can of worms, but I'd like to engage in a constructive dialogue on this topic in light of recent protests in America over the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman tragedy.

This is one issue that puzzles me - For decades, there have been 100s of neighbourhoods in America that are essentially ruled by gangs. They are largely organized homogeneously around race/ ethnicity. They clearly have a "Neighbourhood Watch", except it is militarized, brutal and lethal. Im not sure the local community actually held a meeting and invited them to form their organization it was likely established by force. They watch over their turf. They actually profile people. They actually hunt and stalk people. They engage in criminal activity routinely, including pre meditated murder.

Are they racist(s)?

I appreciate that race & bias are complex issues. I am not trying to offend anyone. I am genuinely curious about the "equivalence" when thinking about racism in America today. I am open to a wide range of persuasive views from others. I am sure that others have studied and experienced these issues more than I have, so I am hopeful of finding a real teachable moment for myself and others.

My biases ? - I will try and be critical in my assessment of my own biases. I am anti division, whether on the basis of class, race, religion, gender, sexual identification, income, wealth and other "categories". I feel strongly that there is too much division in the world today. I am currently of the view that we dont talk reasonably about the right issues , in a civil/ informative way , rather, we get caught up in the minutiae of a media led / talking point/ ill informed narrative. Too many thought and discussion leaders have personal agendas to maintain their power and affluence- to the detriment of those of us living outside the benefits, perqs, access and protection they maintain for themselves .

I saw on TV that there's going to be a doc on either CNN or WNED about race and the justice system in the USA. Having grown up in the 60's I'm all too familiar with this issue.
 

Carling

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The word Cracker was allowed to be said on CNN and all other news media. The N word is not. There is your answer. Racism is only okay if it is against white people and it is not called racism, it is called fair play.
if only white people were actually hurt by being called cracker... oh and suffered 400 years of slavery with black master calling them "cracker" while whipping them for looking at a black woman....or taking a white male slave and a white female slave and interbreeding them like horses , without choice , because black master needs tall strong slave workers on the plantation
 

5hummer

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Welcome to the "state" of Florida


BTW, Rob Ford thinks Asians are "Oriental working dogs..."
 

whatsinaname

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EVERYONE is racist/predudiced to some degree. Some will deny/mask it to make themselves or others around them feel better, but it still exists within. Of course the degree of racism varies considerably from individual to individual and from location to location in general but it is there. It is human nature, and a survival instinct to judge others....like it or not. Past person experience(s), combined with some degree of media attention and upbringing all contribute to forge ones opinion of various races. If someone tells me that they are not the slight bit racist, I have just heard a liar speak......
It is racist or personal experience, typical behavious/ etc.

This is my big issue. Sorry but I think that all young men who wear their pants down past their ass, smoke drugs, listen to hip hop, throw up gang signs, etc are wanna bee thugs. Regardless of their race. I think the same about the white kids doing as the black kids. But if I see a news article and I say that kid is a wannabee thug and he is black, I am then racist, but if he is white, it is okay and just an opinion.
 

whatsinaname

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if only white people were actually hurt by being called cracker... oh and suffered 400 years of slavery with black master calling them "cracker" while whipping them for looking at a black woman....or taking a white male slave and a white female slave and interbreeding them like horses , without choice , because black master needs tall strong slave workers on the plantation
So a derogatory racist term is only acceptable so long as you as you suffer a min. of 400 years of slavery???? Ok. :rolleyes:
 

Carling

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So a derogatory racist term is only acceptable so long as you as you suffer a min. of 400 years of slavery???? Ok. :rolleyes:
no the term is derogatory if you feel the pain involved with the word...what pain does cracker do to you?... give you dry mouth?...whatever, you're typical racist who wants to say the n-word freely... go ahead...start at dundas square
 

Plan B

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if only white people were actually hurt by being called cracker... oh and suffered 400 years of slavery with black master calling them "cracker" while whipping them for looking at a black woman....or taking a white male slave and a white female slave and interbreeding them like horses , without choice , because black master needs tall strong slave workers on the plantation
I think most of us have had enough of your rhetoric and tired arguments...I could argue the flip side and mention how many Union soldiers died on the field during the Civil War so that young black children could play in freedom someday...but I won't sink to your level.
 

Plan B

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Welcome to the "state" of Florida


BTW, Rob Ford thinks Asians are "Oriental working dogs..."
From the Online Slang Dictionary
Definition of work like a dog - to work extremely hard
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It was a compliment..give it a rest..and for the record..Asians do work really hard..like dogs..many work close to 60 hours+ a week.
 
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