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I've got very mixed feelings about the whole RIDE program. While on the one hand I support the idea of getting drunk drivers off of the road, I find the RIDE program onerous and a large case of overkill. It's like going after mosquitoes with hand grenades ... sure it works, but there are more effective methods that cause less collateral damage.
The police statisticians will tell you themselves that the overwhelming majority of drunk driving charges (I don't recall the exact figures but it's something well in excess of 90%) come from regular patrols and NOT from RIDE programs. Instead the RIDE spot checks are more of a dog and pony show to appease the media and the public into thinking that something effective is actually being done. Now if our rights and liberties were being infringed upon for something that actually produced results it might be a more tolerable pill to swallow. But to be subject to random search and seizure for what amounts to no more than a photo-op is what I have the problem with.
 

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Well, to explain the statistics there are a lot more regular patrols than ride sites so of course there would be more charges laid by them.

I would like to see the raw data because stats can be manipulated anyway you choose.

For eg: do they provide the date when the charges were laid? ie: do they include the whole year for charges and ride? The stats would be swayed because ride isn't on all the time.

Do they compare or average the charges by the amount of regular patrols to the amount of ride sites? ie: if there are 200 ride sites do they only use the data from 200 regular patrols?

You could compare this to the trucking blitzes they do occasionally. Sure they probably get many more unsafe trucks off the road by regular patrols but again, there are a lot more regular patrols than blitzes.

You could also compare this to the seatbelt blitzes they do from time to time. I bet they lay more seatbelt offences from regular patrols too but again, regular patrols probably stop more vehicles.

Sure, there are more effective ways of preventing drinking and driving, like having 10 uniformed officers outside all bars and nightclubs and not let anyone out until each and every person is either escorted to a cab, or if they are driving, have them blow before being allowed into their vehicles. Sure you'd catch an infinite number of people about to DUI but would it go over well? NOT
 

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The police statisticians will tell you themselves that the overwhelming majority of drunk driving charges (I don't recall the exact figures but it's something well in excess of 90%) come from regular patrols and NOT from RIDE programs. Instead the RIDE spot checks are more of a dog and pony show to appease the media and the public into thinking that something effective is actually being done. Now if our rights and liberties were being infringed upon for something that actually produced results it might be a more tolerable pill to swallow. But to be subject to random search and seizure for what amounts to no more than a photo-op is what I have the problem with.[/quote]


Right on Brother.....totally agree

Fuck those Nazi's
 

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LancsLad said:
Even the RIDE program has gone politically correct. It is no longer the Christmas Ride program but a "festive season" ride program. The stupidity of the PC wording never ends.
I never understood why this pissed people off. It's just PC.
I agree that PC can get a bit out of hand but it's here to stay. Get used to it you wanker. LOL :p I'm just messing with ya
 

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I always take cab fare.........I have seen the inside of many, many taxis over the years......

I sometimes take one to retrieve my vehicle in the morning as well.......you ought to hear my wife when I ask her for a ride in the morning to pick up my car
 

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tboy said:
... Sure, there are more effective ways of preventing drinking and driving, like having 10 uniformed officers outside all bars and nightclubs and not let anyone out until each and every person is either escorted to a cab, or if they are driving, have them blow before being allowed into their vehicles. ...
The cops do something like that around the strip clubs in Mississauga, except they hide in the dark areas and wait for someone to leave the club, then stop them and have then blow.
 

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STASH said:
The police statisticians will tell you themselves that the overwhelming majority of drunk driving charges (I don't recall the exact figures but it's something well in excess of 90%) come from regular patrols and NOT from RIDE programs. Instead the RIDE spot checks are more of a dog and pony show to appease the media and the public into thinking that something effective is actually being done. Now if our rights and liberties were being infringed upon for something that actually produced results it might be a more tolerable pill to swallow. But to be subject to random search and seizure for what amounts to no more than a photo-op is what I have the problem with.

Right on Brother.....totally agree

Fuck those Nazi's[/QUOTE]

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Nice pic STASH
 

mmouse

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KBear said:
R.I.D.E. Program has started for this xmas season.
Not sure why this makes any difference unless you drink and drive?
 

STASH

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Well I for one don't like being pulled over by my Government in a free society. Even to see if people are pissed or not.
I totally understand peoples anger at drinking and driving. I get that completely.
But i don't like the trend in this country of pulling people aside and seeing what they are up too.

First was safety lanes
next it was R.I.D.E.
Then seatbelt check
Then car seat checks
Then insurance checks

What the fuck will the Nazi's be checking next.


Sorry I think that is a slippery slide down a slope to less personal freedom....period
Where will this lead to ?

What other inspection can the Goverment think up next.

Don't you see ?

Think bigger. There are people out there that don't care about you rights to privacy if it gets in their way to chop your personal liberties
 

shack

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STASH said:
The cops can blow me

What next, knock on your door at home to see whats going on.

I see where alll this pulling over is going....slowly leading to less personal freedom.............year after year it get worse

Deny that...Shack
Drivng a vehicle is not a personal freedom. It is a privilege. You earn that privilege by reaching a certain age and passing certain tests and you retain that privilege by obeying laws pertaining to that privilege.

What is a personal freedom is the right to live your life without being endangered by idiots driving while intoxicated. If the police can either pull drunk drivers off the road or deter others from driving in that condition (even if those numbers are miniscule) then I am in favour of random spotchecks.

I am not in favour of government interfering in my life when it's not necessary. I do not include the deterrence of drunk driving in that category of being unnecessary.
 

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Where it concerns drinking and driving, I really dont mind...sometimes the Police or others have to think for those who cannot due to a problem of some sort (alcoholism) or real bad judgement.

I have 2 kids under 4 yrs of age. If protecting them steps on someones' rights in a minor way, then so be it.
 

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BuffNaked said:
Sounds pretty spot on. It's the only program that if you are charged with impairment, you lose your license right on the spot, and do not get a chance to dispute the charges against you. It's the only program run like a military check point. If you look suspisious or not, you get put under the microscope.

Instead a better idea would be hanging around the bars at 2am and start pulling the people leaving the bars. You have a reason to pull them over. You just saw them leave a bar. And chances are you would be able to find alot more violations. And instead of getting your license suspended, you get to spend the night in the drunk tank.
The post was ignorant, not the idea of spotchecks.

Wow.
 

mmouse

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STASH said:
Think bigger. There are people out there that don't care about you rights to privacy if it gets in their way to chop your personal liberties
So what exactly is your solution to people who insist on drinking and driving? Maybe you should think bigger than your "personal freedom".
 

tboy

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I totally agree that we shouldn't limit or inhibit our freedoms for the sake of safety (just look at the fear mongers in the US) but one cannot legislate common sense and until all people truly understand the difference between right and wrong, we will need laws and practises to protect those that do have some semblence of an idea.......

For eg:
1) If we didn't have liquor laws there are those in our society that would have no problem selling booze to minors
2) If we didn't have speed limits there'd be hundreds of speeding/racing deaths every day
3) If we didn't have gun laws innocents would be shot dead every minute
4) If our police didn't have the right to stop us to verify our sobriety or ability to operate a lethal weapon responsibly there'd be thousands of alcohol related deaths every day.

SOrry, but people are stupid therefore we need things like ride.....

For those that are bitching about it, suck it up. So the cops waste 20 minutes of your time every year....tough shit, deal with it.
 

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mmouse said:
So what exactly is your solution to people who insist on drinking and driving? Maybe you should think bigger than your "personal freedom".
Drinking and driving is not as big a problem as the media and cops would have you believe. Patrols around bars at last call would be the better idea.

Speaking of RIDE. Here is what happened to me last night.

I got stopped at a ride program. I was asked if I had anything to drink and I told them no. I didn't have anything to drink. The first officer let me pass.

As I was leaving a 2nd officer waved me over. He told me my muffler was to loud. First he asked me what kind of muffler was it. I told him I didn't know. Which I don't. He told me it was aftermarket and it was illegal because it was to loud. He then asked for my documents.

As soon as I handed him over my insurance slip he said it was fraudulent. I told him it was what was mailed to me. He threw me in the back of the cruiser. He then demanded to know where I got it from, who made it, how it was made and all sorts of other badergering questions. I maintained that it was what was mailed to me. He refused to believe me. Which of course is within the scope of his job.

He then demanded proof of payment. He asked if I had any mail that says I paid insurance. He asked if I had bank statements. He was asking for alot of personal information that no one would normally carry with them. He was giving me a way out, but I do my banking online and I keep my mail at my place. He was getting mad. What he did next is what really offended me.

My mom is part owner of the car. It's none of your business why she is part owner and it is personal reasons that I won't go into with anyone as to why. He told me if I do not fess up, he would give my mom a summons: "uttering a forged document" as well. He was putting alot of pressure on me to admit to a crime and now he was using my family as leverage. My mom doesn't even have her G2 and now she's going to get a criminal charge because I'm not answering questions the way the cop wants. I don't know if what the cop did was legal or if it would hold up in court, but I do know it's wrong. Gangsters and mafia threaten your family members. Not the police. But then again, Peel regional is like a gang with badges.

I maintained that it was the document that was mailed to me by my broker. He then told me if I was going to play hard ball he would also charge me with failure to drive with insurance. This cop had such a smug look on his face. Like he was doing the city a favour taking down a king pin. He told me that if I get in the car and drive it again and he finds out that I don't have insurance (Which he commented on "I know you don't have any") he will charge me a 2nd time for driving without insurance. I knew better. My bills are all paid and I know my insurance is in order.

So the cop throws the book at me. 1 ticket for muffler. 1 ticket for uttering a forged document (Criminal Charge BTW). 1 ticket for driving without insurance. Now the cop tells me that he is on his way to my place to give my Mom the summons to for the forged document.

My parents are freaking out and they call me up on the cell asking to get access to my online banking records. My Mom is an auditer for a major bank and she has to keep her nose clean or she could lose her job so she's having a fit. So rather than strain my relationship with my parents and say no, I give them the banking info.

I get home and my parents tell me that the cop was satisfied at the banking records and ripped up my moms summons. I'm mad as hell because this cop had to involve my family because he thought I had an attitude. He used intimdation to try and get a conffession out of me when I had nothing to confess to. I will file a complaint later today.

Fuck Gestapo R.I.D.E. Programs!
 

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Whether your insurance and muffler are legal has nothing to do with drunk driving or the RIDE program.

I would much prefer 100 people have experiences like yours to 1 person injured or dead due to a drunk driver.
 

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mmouse said:
Whether your insurance and muffler are legal has nothing to do with drunk driving or the RIDE program.

I would much prefer 100 people have experiences like yours to 1 person injured or dead due to a drunk driver.
If I'm going through this experience, how does that make the ride program effective. If you have a cop in a cruiser hasseling a citizen at a ride check point, it's one less cop you have manning the check point. R.I.D.E. is not the answer. Patrols at bars are.
 
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