Quin was a great coach ...... for the old NHL clutch and grab style. He got players who were old. As I don't know how much input into who became a Leaf, I don't know who was more to blame but it is time for a new coach.
Quinn Fired.
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Quinn wasn't the guy in charge of 'getting players'... last time i checked, it was JFjr.'s job to do that...
this firing was more political than anything and you tools that think they'll find a better coach should pull your head out of the holes.
Dimitri, i agree.
this firing was more political than anything and you tools that think they'll find a better coach should pull your head out of the holes.
Dimitri, i agree.
Quinn had a good run.
Quinn's team could always score but could never play that thing called defence in the playoffs which ultimately did them in every year...
Quinn's team could always score but could never play that thing called defence in the playoffs which ultimately did them in every year...
not even so much about JFjr saving his butt...
Quinn butted heads with ownership simply because he was stripped of decision making abilities... and funny thing, the leafs have become worse and worse still ever since he's given up his authorities...
though JFjr is a smart hockey guy, he hold's a somewhat Queen of England post... nothing he does can be in disagreement with ownership and the board. he was placed with the team merely to dissolve Quinn's power. now JFjr and any future coach is going to realize how badly their hands are tied within this organization...
Quinn butted heads with ownership simply because he was stripped of decision making abilities... and funny thing, the leafs have become worse and worse still ever since he's given up his authorities...
though JFjr is a smart hockey guy, he hold's a somewhat Queen of England post... nothing he does can be in disagreement with ownership and the board. he was placed with the team merely to dissolve Quinn's power. now JFjr and any future coach is going to realize how badly their hands are tied within this organization...
As I have said...
I said that a few days ago. Obviously, somebody listened to my advice, at least half of it so far.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115439&page=6
I said that a few days ago. Obviously, somebody listened to my advice, at least half of it so far.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=115439&page=6
Roberts is 40, Nieuwendyk is 40, Joseph is 39. To sign these players, would be just making another mistake. Sure Roberts and Nieuwendyk had decent seasons in Florida, but how much hockey do you think that these two have left in them.dickydee292004 said:
Joesph, he too had a half decent season in Phoenix, but his career is winding down. I don’t know who the Leafs should pickup to play net, but signing a 39 year old goalie is not the answer.
If the Leafs want to improve, signing players whose best years are behind them, is definitely not the answer!
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If you look at it Quinn did a pretty good job with what he had to work with Thanks to JFjr. Wonky Goaltender in Belfour, old worn out guys in Lindros, Allison, ONiel, Jr B defense in Berg. Quinn got the 90 points they all said would get them into the playoffs. A coach can only do so much, Upper Management has to help too and they didn't. Expect to see JF jr go before his contact is up.
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I totally agree, I was being sarcastic in saying that thats what the leafs do they sign old guys whose hockey years are winding down. But every year you hear the same story about how good of a team they have assembled and every year leaf fans think their team has a chance when they dont. Same story goes for the Raptors and the Jays. There is just something about TO sports teams. To add to that, given the track record of pathetic pro teams in TO they want an NFL team, that will NEVER EVER happen. Maybe the leafs should have a rule for the next few years to sign nobody over 28 and then maybe, maybe you'll see some improvements. I am not a leafs fan but I look forward to the day when we can all say yes they do have a decent chance this year.
Yeah I wasn’t sure if you were being sarcastic or not. I read someone else’s post, and they also mentioned Cujo’s name. The Leafs have to stop signing these old farts. LOL (I am in my 30’s too)
Yup! Yup!goalie000 said:
All eyes are on JFjr...
I don't believe he is the man for the job. Let's see, they will have a lot of money under the cap. I am willing to give him the benefit of a doubt.
His two first aquisitions should be defence and goaltending. I hope he doesn't overpay McCabe.
emvee said:
It will be very difficult if not impossible to win a Stanley Cup if the entire organization does not share a common goal and commitment to win all the way. The introspection and house cleaning obviously should start from the very top to the very bottom. So if the ownership and the board are the root of the problem, something should be done. If they do not understand the game of hockey, they should not meddle with the game and let other capable people take care of the hockey operations.21pro said:
Why not the Toronto fans get together and form a syndicate or something to buy out the team and replace the ownerhsip and the board? Give them the lousy $ and show them the door. The Toronto fans as a group will make history by being the first of its kind to own a team of major professional sports. LOL!!! The other strategy will be to boycott the Leafs. Nobody buys any Leafs merchandise or tickets to go to the hockey game in Toronto, cut off the ownership and the board’s blood line. Bet they will change their mind and behavior very quickly. Bet NHL will put tremendous pressure on the Leafs’ ownership and its board to reform. But are the Toronto fans willing to do these? Hmmmmmm…..LORL!!!
Quinn sucks! Imagine, he didn't score one lousy point this year! He never even put the mask and pads once! What a lousy coach! No goals, no assists, no fights.......
I really hope the new coach can actually play.
Maybe the Leafs should pick a fan out of the crowd before each game to coach for the evening. All they have to do is look for some loud and obnoxious idiot who thinks that they know better.
I really hope the new coach can actually play.
Maybe the Leafs should pick a fan out of the crowd before each game to coach for the evening. All they have to do is look for some loud and obnoxious idiot who thinks that they know better.
Scenicdrive,
Revolt sounds nice in theory but, it would be much less painless to cheer for the Ottawa Senators!...
Revolt sounds nice in theory but, it would be much less painless to cheer for the Ottawa Senators!...
Quinn the Executive
While it's true that Ferguson has made things worse since his arrival, the bad management started before he got here while Quinn had all the titles. JFJ & Quinn might have butted heads over this or that, but there was no detectable change or difference in the overall philosophy of the team under the two men.
It was Quinn who proactively pursued and acquired Lumme, Berg & Belak then obstinately stuck by his decision in contempt of the evidence. ( in the case of Lumme, who was a fee agent with NO TAKERS - Quinn signed him for $200K MORE than the agents asking price to other teams!!)
He travelled oversees to woo Robert Reichel - a man who so despises playing in North America that he repeatedly tunred down big money just to stay in Europe. Knowing this, and knowing that he wasn't going to put Reichel on a technical puck-posession team that he might enojoy and excel, Quinn kept upping the offers until Reichel simply couldn't say No to the money.
To be fair there was some bad luck: Svehla & Klee looked like improvements at the time, couldn't have guessed Svehla would retire like that or that Klee would look like a different player overnight.
But the deadline moves were silly and hopeful flights of sentiment ( Housley, Leetch, the Gilmour signing...). The one guy worth keeping was Wesley but there was no serious effort to sign him.
Meanwhile, guys who left are suddenley valuable elsewhere (Sullivan, Modin, McCauley, Adams,...)
While it's true that Ferguson has made things worse since his arrival, the bad management started before he got here while Quinn had all the titles. JFJ & Quinn might have butted heads over this or that, but there was no detectable change or difference in the overall philosophy of the team under the two men.
It was Quinn who proactively pursued and acquired Lumme, Berg & Belak then obstinately stuck by his decision in contempt of the evidence. ( in the case of Lumme, who was a fee agent with NO TAKERS - Quinn signed him for $200K MORE than the agents asking price to other teams!!)
He travelled oversees to woo Robert Reichel - a man who so despises playing in North America that he repeatedly tunred down big money just to stay in Europe. Knowing this, and knowing that he wasn't going to put Reichel on a technical puck-posession team that he might enojoy and excel, Quinn kept upping the offers until Reichel simply couldn't say No to the money.
To be fair there was some bad luck: Svehla & Klee looked like improvements at the time, couldn't have guessed Svehla would retire like that or that Klee would look like a different player overnight.
But the deadline moves were silly and hopeful flights of sentiment ( Housley, Leetch, the Gilmour signing...). The one guy worth keeping was Wesley but there was no serious effort to sign him.
Meanwhile, guys who left are suddenley valuable elsewhere (Sullivan, Modin, McCauley, Adams,...)
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Quinn the Coach.
Some Quinn supporters point to an above average regular season record. On paper this is a good argument.
But for those who have watched the team regularly with an unbiased eye, the Leafs never looked like a well coached team. The points and the wins still count, but I see the club as overachievers.
A great many of the wins relied too heavily on nightly goaltending heroics by Joseph and Belfour. Chronic problems were never addressed over the years - in recent years defense got worse, not better. As did poor discipline and excess line jugling. You had to know it would get ugly when Belfour - already past-prime when he got here - could no longer call up big games on a regular basis.
The other way they won was to rattle opponents with stretches of furious forechecking and pressure, or if that didn't work, get ugly and drag them into a streetfight. The team never really commited to a style. It was too much heart & phisicality, not enough tactics & coordination compared to other high level teams.
Quinn's playoff runs owed a great deal to the Ottawa Senator's inability to out-will his teams in a 7-game series, and of course to Patrick Lalime. Take that away and there is not much left.
Not a bad era at all, but hardly worthy of cult status either. Certainly little hope of improving on what was already done.
Some Quinn supporters point to an above average regular season record. On paper this is a good argument.
But for those who have watched the team regularly with an unbiased eye, the Leafs never looked like a well coached team. The points and the wins still count, but I see the club as overachievers.
A great many of the wins relied too heavily on nightly goaltending heroics by Joseph and Belfour. Chronic problems were never addressed over the years - in recent years defense got worse, not better. As did poor discipline and excess line jugling. You had to know it would get ugly when Belfour - already past-prime when he got here - could no longer call up big games on a regular basis.
The other way they won was to rattle opponents with stretches of furious forechecking and pressure, or if that didn't work, get ugly and drag them into a streetfight. The team never really commited to a style. It was too much heart & phisicality, not enough tactics & coordination compared to other high level teams.
Quinn's playoff runs owed a great deal to the Ottawa Senator's inability to out-will his teams in a 7-game series, and of course to Patrick Lalime. Take that away and there is not much left.
Not a bad era at all, but hardly worthy of cult status either. Certainly little hope of improving on what was already done.
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Hard Idle said:
This is the best comment in this thread.
Notice how the leafs played more of a defensive and alert game with Belfour before the lockout? But after the lockout Quinn had them bouncing around so much from line to line, that these guys didn't even know how to click with each other let alone play defensive and protect Eagle from "quality scoring chances."
As for JF....ok Lindros was a bust...but if anyone can say Allison was bad, or O'neill was given a fair shake......they are full of it. Jeff O was given a bullshit "corner digger" roll (when he is a sick ass sniper that loves the slot) and Allison was bounced around so much that I'm shocked he even produced. Yeah he is slow, but the guy is a gamer and brings his brain to every game.
If we really want to talk about bad deals, let us back track on some Quinn and his GM moves in Toronto.
LOL!!! Indeed it will take efforts of monumental proportions to bring about what I said earlier. Here is a third strategic initiative for the Toronto fans and the good doc believes it is easier to implement. Get a group of beautiful and persuasive Toronto courtesans to weaken the knees and hypnotize the mind of the Toronto Ownership and its board. Then get them to be committed to winning a Stanley Cup for Toronto and not to meddle with its hockey operations they don't know anything about. You may even find a few Toronto courtesans who will volunteer this mission.21pro said:
LORL!!! As for cheering for the Senators, the good doc doubts many Toronto fans would rather do that.
