Quin was a great coach ...... for the old NHL clutch and grab style. He got players who were old. As I don't know how much input into who became a Leaf, I don't know who was more to blame but it is time for a new coach.
Hmmmmm....political eh? Like JFJ wants to save his behind for another year`s misery and hockey failure eh? May the good doc suggest our own kathleen as the new GM candidate? I am confident she will be 100 per cent better than JFJ.21pro said:Quinn wasn`t the guy in charge of `getting players`... last time i checked, it was JFjr.`s job to do that...
this firing was more political than anything and you tools that think they`ll find a better coach should pull your head out of the holes.
Dimitri, i agree.
Roberts is 40, Nieuwendyk is 40, Joseph is 39. To sign these players, would be just making another mistake. Sure Roberts and Nieuwendyk had decent seasons in Florida, but how much hockey do you think that these two have left in them.dickydee292004 said:Maybe next year they will try to resign Cujo or maybe they can bring back the dynamic duo of Niewendyk and Roberts.
la venganza said:Roberts is 40, Nieuwendyk is 40, Joseph is 39. To resign these players, would be just making another mistake. Sure Roberts and Nieuwendyk had decent seasons in Florida, but how much hockey do you think that these two have left in them.
Joesph, he too had a half decent season in Phoenix, but his career is winding down. I don’t know who the Leafs should pickup to play net, but signing a 39 year old goalie is not the answer.
If the Leafs want to improve, signing players whose best years are behind them, is definitely not the answer!
Yup! Yup!goalie000 said:If you look at it Quinn did a pretty good job with what he had to work with Thanks to JFjr. Wonky Goaltender in Belfour, old worn out guys in Lindros, Allison, ONiel, Jr B defense in Berg. Quinn got the 90 points they all said would get them into the playoffs. A coach can only do so much, Upper Management has to help too and they didn't. Expect to see JF jr go before his contact is up.
emvee said:The only vision the ownership have is dollar $ign$. Leafs Nation deserves what it's got for mindlessly buying tickets and merchandise to fuel the ownership's neglect of the product.
It will be very difficult if not impossible to win a Stanley Cup if the entire organization does not share a common goal and commitment to win all the way. The introspection and house cleaning obviously should start from the very top to the very bottom. So if the ownership and the board are the root of the problem, something should be done. If they do not understand the game of hockey, they should not meddle with the game and let other capable people take care of the hockey operations.21pro said:not even so much about JFjr saving his butt...
Quinn butted heads with ownership simply because he was stripped of decision making abilities... and funny thing, the leafs have become worse and worse still ever since he's given up his authorities...
though JFjr is a smart hockey guy, he hold's a somewhat Queen of England post... nothing he does can be in disagreement with ownership and the board. he was placed with the team merely to dissolve Quinn's power. now JFjr and any future coach is going to realize how badly their hands are tied within this organization...
Hard Idle said:Some Quinn supporters point to an above average regular season record. On paper this is a good argument.
But for those who have watched the team regularly with an unbiased eye, the Leafs never looked like a well coached team. The points and the wins still count, but I see the club as overachievers.
A great many of the wins relied too heavily on nightly goaltending heroics by Joseph and Belfour. Chronic problems were never addressed over the years - in recent years defense got worse, not better. As did poor discipline and excess line jugling. You had to know it would get ugly when Belfour - already past-prime when he got here - could no longer call up big games on a regular basis.
The other way they won was to rattle opponents with stretches of furious forechecking and pressure, or if that didn't work, get ugly and drag them into a streetfight. The team never really commited to a style. It was too much heart & phisicality, not enough tactics & coordination compared to other high level teams.
Quinn's playoff runs owed a great deal to the Ottawa Senator's inability to out-will his teams in a 7-game series, and of course to Patrick Lalime. Take that away and there is not much left.
Not a bad era at all, but hardly worthy of cult status either. Certainly little hope of improving on what was already done.
I could not have said it better. Not that Quinn is a lousy coach,but enough is enough. Quinn will never bring the Cup to this hog town. Time to move on.Hard Idle said:Some Quinn supporters point to an above average regular season record. On paper this is a good argument.
But for those who have Not a bad era at all, but hardly worthy of cult status either. Certainly little hope of improving on what was already done.
LOL!!! Indeed it will take efforts of monumental proportions to bring about what I said earlier. Here is a third strategic initiative for the Toronto fans and the good doc believes it is easier to implement. Get a group of beautiful and persuasive Toronto courtesans to weaken the knees and hypnotize the mind of the Toronto Ownership and its board. Then get them to be committed to winning a Stanley Cup for Toronto and not to meddle with its hockey operations they don't know anything about. You may even find a few Toronto courtesans who will volunteer this mission. LORL!!!21pro said:Scenicdrive,
Revolt sounds nice in theory but, it would be much less painless to cheer for the Ottawa Senators!...