question about gun laws

[frankcastle]

Shotguns and rifles are legal so long as they exceed a certain length.

By legal i mean non restricted. Thus you still need a pal.

They cannot be fully automatic.

What i dont understand is the max on bullets in clip can someone explain that?

Unclear if it is five rounds ten rounds or more.

Is the max round number the same or different for shotguns. I think a utas 15 is non restricted and it holds double digit number of shells.

Is it illegal to take the rivet out of a clip so it can hold more bullets?

 

[kugel1]

Shotguns and rifles are legal so long as they exceed a certain length.

By legal i mean non restricted. Thus you still need a pal.

They cannot be fully automatic.

What i dont understand is the max on bullets in clip can someone explain that?

Unclear if it is five rounds ten rounds or more.

Is the max round number the same or different for shotguns. I think a utas 15 is non restricted and it holds double digit number of shells.

Is it illegal to take the rivet out of a clip so it can hold more bullets?

For capacity, it depends on the type of firearm. For a semi-automatic shotgun or center fire rifle, the maximum you are allowed is 5 rounds.
For a bolt action or pump action center fire rifle or shotgun, the capacity is 10 rounds. Hunting regulations may specify a different maximum number of rounds for hunting. The numbers I am giving you are strictly for design and range use.

For a rimfire firearm (.22 or .17), there is no maximum capacity. You can load up 100 round drum mags if you want. They are called magazines. Clips are what are used to fill magazines. Google "Lee Enfield stripper clips to see what I mean.

If you remove the rivet from a pinned magazine to allow it to hold more than the lawful number of rounds, it is considered a prohibited device and is illegal to possess.

One oddball caveat is a semi-auto center fire rifle can be used with 10 round magazines if the original design of the magazine was intended for use in a pistol, but is also functional in that rifle. Google ".223 LAR magazines". These will fit in certain .223 pistols, but also fit into AR15 type rifles and are legal to use in those rifles.

 

[John Henry]

Shotguns and rifles are legal so long as they exceed a certain length.

By legal i mean non restricted. Thus you still need a pal.

They cannot be fully automatic.

What i dont understand is the max on bullets in clip can someone explain that?

Unclear if it is five rounds ten rounds or more.

Is the max round number the same or different for shotguns. I think a utas 15 is non restricted and it holds double digit number of shells.

Is it illegal to take the rivet out of a clip so it can hold more bullets?

Yes you need a PAL to own and purchase a rifle or shot gun . None of these types have to be registered .

You can not own a fully automatic unless your a bonifide gun collector . Even then it's hard to get a fully auto gun .

Shotguns and rifles can be semi-auto which means that you must pull the trigger for every shot.

All rifles have a max of 5 rounds . Some bullets are so big that the rifle can only hold say 3 shells . Depends on the caliber . Only 22 cal can hold more shells if you wish to . You can buy mags that hold 25 or even a 100 shells for a 22 cal.

Shot guns are different . Some may only hold 2 shells such as an over and under but others such as pumps or semi - auto can hold as many as 8 . If the barrel is long enough you can purchase extenders for the mag to hold even more shells for a shot gun .

Now if you wish to hunt with a shot gun you better make sure that your gun only holds 3 shells ( mag has to be plugged so you can only insert 2 shells ) . 2 in the mag and 1 in the chamber . Get caught with a shot gun that holds more and your in deep poo .

The proper word is magazine not clip .

No you can not take out the revet so the mag can hold more shells . That is a big NO NO

There are mags for hand guns that will fit some rifles . Hand guns are limited to 10 shells . Since some of these mags will fit a rifle you can use that mag for a rifle and have that rifle hold 10 shells . Example you can put a pistol mag that uses 223 shells in an AR 15 ( which is limited to 5 shells ) and you now have a gun that will hold 10 shells . Another pistol mag will hold 14 shells that mag will fit into an AR 15 . Now your AR 15 is a 14 shell shooter . All perfectly legal except that mag better have the pistol identity stamped on the side . This way you can't cross the border and buy real AR15 mags that hold more then 5 shells and use them over here .

These mags are perfectly legal because they are made for hand guns . The bullet limits are set to which gun that particular mag was made for . If a 10 round pistol mag fits in an AR15 then so be it . The Feds know about this and even say it's OK on their web site .

Hope this helps .

 

[frankcastle]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/624128-UTS-15-Shotgun

The reason i asked about capacity was this link doesn't work his break the rules?

Do you have to own the pistol that you transferred the higher capacity mag to the rifle?

Not that it really matters i mean i heard if a gun fight goes beyond three shots you are probably fucked.

So if 22 is unlimited do people who want to be soldiers of fortune buy rifles that handle 22 long rifle?

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[frankcastle]

http://www.cabelas.ca/product/62029/gsg-ruger-1022-110-round-drum-magazine

Holy fuck gun laws make no sense.

 

[kugel1]

"All rifles have a max of 5 rounds . Some bullets are so big that the rifle can only hold say 3 shells . Depends on the caliber . Only 22 cal can hold more shells if you wish to .".....Unless the centre fire rifle is a bolt, lever or pump action. Then it can have a magazine capacity of 10. Example: Lee Enfield .303

 

[kugel1]

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/624128-UTS-15-Shotgun

The reason i asked about capacity was this link doesn't work his break the rules?

Do you have to own the pistol that you transferred the higher capacity mag to the rifle?

Not that it really matters i mean i heard if a gun fight goes beyond three shots you are probably fucked.

So if 22 is unlimited do people who want to be soldiers of fortune buy rifles that handle 22 long rifle?

.

No, you do not have to own the pistol if you use the higher capacity magazine in a rifle. Although the .22 is a smaller round, getting hit by a few of them can really ruin your day. If it is for "a gunfight", most people would opt for a heavier calibre.

 

[AK-47]

Just start shooting and ask questions later
















































Juts kidding of course

 

[frankcastle]

No, you do not have to own the pistol if you use the higher capacity magazine in a rifle. Although the .22 is a smaller round, getting hit by a few of them can really ruin your day. If it is for "a gunfight", most people would opt for a heavier calibre.

To be honest i was thinking about it from a doomsday perspective

22 long rifle semi auto rifle is cheap, three rounds are common and they are easy to shoot

 

[GPIDEAL]

Shotguns and rifles are legal so long as they exceed a certain length.

By legal i mean non restricted. Thus you still need a pal.

They cannot be fully automatic.

What i dont understand is the max on bullets in clip can someone explain that?

Unclear if it is five rounds ten rounds or more.

Is the max round number the same or different for shotguns. I think a utas 15 is non restricted and it holds double digit number of shells.

Is it illegal to take the rivet out of a clip so it can hold more bullets?

Wait a minute.

I thought the maximum is 3 (for a shotgun for sure - my dad's semi-automatic shotgun holds 5 but it requires a plug).

 

[John Henry]

Wait a minute.

I thought the maximum is 3 (for a shotgun for sure - my dad's semi-automatic shotgun holds 5 but it requires a plug).

Maximum for hunting is 3 . If your hunting you must have a plug if it holds more then a total of 3 shells.

 

[John Henry]

To be honest i was thinking about it from a doomsday perspective

22 long rifle semi auto rifle is cheap, three rounds are common and they are easy to shoot

22 long is a great rifle for a doomsday perspective . Good for shooting small game and your not blowing your meat all to pieces . It's also not a very heavy rifle to carry around . You can also carry a lot more 22 ammo around if need be then some of the other calibers .

You would do well having one of those available for yourself .

 

[jiiimmm]

22 long is a great rifle for a doomsday perspective . Good for shooting small game and your not blowing your meat all to pieces . It's also not a very heavy rifle to carry around . You can also carry a lot more 22 ammo around if need be then some of the other calibers .

You would do well having one of those available for yourself .

agreed, but for a doomsday scenario nothing beats a shot gun. you don't aim, just point and shoot.

 

[frankcastle]

agreed, but for a doomsday scenario nothing beats a shot gun. you don't aim, just point and shoot.

But aren't the shells heavier?

I think if i was going doomsday

22 long rifle semi auto rifle
22 long rifle revolver
12 gauge shotgun

I am also think that the 22s would be easier for a petite woman to handle.

Would be ideal

308 semi auto rifle might be better for bigger game like deer but if you can't preserve meat deer is wasted

 

[jiiimmm]

But aren't the shells heavier?

I think if i was going doomsday

22 long rifle semi auto rifle
22 long rifle revolver
12 gauge shotgun

I am also think that the 22s would be easier for a petite woman to handle.

Would be ideal

308 semi auto rifle might be better for bigger game like deer but if you can't preserve meat deer is wasted

Sure their heavier, but easy to handle and they come in all kinds of loads. 22 are good too but if your on edge, good luck aiming, especially at a moving target. I like both but If I had to grab one for protection purposes, I'm reaching for the 12 gauge first.

 

[fuji]

No answer in this thread yet is correct. Some are close, but every answer contains at least one error.

The best comment was that the law makes no sense, logic has nothing to do with Canadian gun law which is arbitrary and inconsistent.

I will take a stab at it:

1. For a bolt action there is no limit, unless the rifle is a variant of a Lee Enfield, in which case the limit is 10

2. If the rifle is semiautomatic the limit is 5 unless it is a .22 or other rimfire in which case there is no limit

3. For a handgun the limit is ten of the originally intended rounds

4. The limit is based on the original purpose so if a 10 round pistol magazine happens to work in your rifle that is OK, similarly if you have a .45 magazine and 9mm happens to work in it, you can legally load as many 9mm as fit, so long as only 10 .45 rounds fit

5. You can have a larger magazine provided a rivet is put in blocking it to the required number, because only a criminal would have and use a dremel to remove the rivet

 

[AK-47]

^^^^^^^ for as much useless shit fuji provides, this info is mostly correct

 

[frankcastle]

Sure their heavier, but easy to handle and they come in all kinds of loads. 22 are good too but if your on edge, good luck aiming, especially at a moving target. I like both but If I had to grab one for protection purposes, I'm reaching for the 12 gauge first.

I think you nailed it they are two different tools it would be ideal to have both.

I am considering getting the proper paperwork to own non restricted guns and likely it will involve both. But probably start with 22 as it seems like the natural place where people start that hobby.

 

[frankcastle]

No answer in this thread yet is correct. Some are close, but every answer contains at least one error.

The best comment was that the law makes no sense, logic has nothing to do with Canadian gun law which is arbitrary and inconsistent.

I will take a stab at it:

1. For a bolt action there is no limit, unless the rifle is a variant of a Lee Enfield, in which case the limit is 10

2. If the rifle is semiautomatic the limit is 5 unless it is a .22 or other rimfire in which case there is no limit

3. For a handgun the limit is ten of the originally intended rounds

4. The limit is based on the original purpose so if a 10 round pistol magazine happens to work in your rifle that is OK, similarly if you have a .45 magazine and 9mm happens to work in it, you can legally load as many 9mm as fit, so long as only 10 .45 rounds fit

5. You can have a larger magazine provided a rivet is put in blocking it to the required number, because only a criminal would have and use a dremel to remove the rivet

Wait i thought there was no limit on centre fire not rim fire.

 

[frankcastle]

Wait i thought there was no limit on centre fire not rim fire.

Never mind i was wrong

Is there a list of rim fire rounds?