Quebec Charter of Values
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Trudeau dressed as a German soldier and riding around Jewish suburbs of Montreal DURING WORLD WAR II (as reported by Mordecai Richler). While this does not imply that Trudeau was a Nazi - Trudeau's version of socialism differed from Hitler's - his actions were tasteless at best. Historian Esther Delisle noted that some of Quebec's elite supported Petain and the Vichy French during World War II. This adds further context to Trudeau's professed doubt that World War II was a just war.
Trudeau dressed as a German soldier and riding around Jewish suburbs of Montreal DURING WORLD WAR II (as reported by Mordecai Richler). While this does not imply that Trudeau was a Nazi - Trudeau's version of socialism differed from Hitler's - his actions were tasteless at best. Historian Esther Delisle noted that some of Quebec's elite supported Petain and the Vichy French during World War II. This adds further context to Trudeau's professed doubt that World War II was a just war.
The night he stood on the hotel balcony and stood up to the separatist, as they threw garbage the group, while all other leaders ran for cover showed the kind of metal he had. You wouldn't know what that meant.
Not bull at all and a clear example of what little you really know about your country's history.
If you think you are so smart, why don't you explain the Quebec Charter of Values in its historical context because Marois didn't just wake up one day and thought it was a good idea out of the blue. Please post some links to support your explanation.
You always resort to belittling other people because you lack the intellectual and emotional abilities to discuss the substantive issues objectively, reasonably and rationally.
(BTW: Standing up to thrown garbage is far far less courageous than standing up to Nazi machine gun fire at Normandy.)
Aside from the fact that a detailed explanation you are asking for, 'with references' would take a whole lot of bandwidth and time, in the range of a four page DM C&P wonder, the chances of it making any difference to 'you' is next to nil. I've already learned my lesson of doing as you ask in the threads on the quality of life in South Africa, slavery in North America and the Home Run Derby curse. References mean nothing to you and your Mr Peabody outlook on history. The highlights have already been given on this in a number of other threads in the past on Quebec. That you can't realize it says volumes as to you ability to understand even the most basic facts on Quebec history.
Standing when all others are running is not just a example of courage, which wasn't really my point, but was more a sign of conviction. Consideing the events, a rifle shot ringing out was not out of the question.
Might I suggest you start your re-education with the reading of the book titled White Niggers of North America.
I await your accusation of my dodging you question.
How are the Batista and Encarncion doing in their home run production by the way?
That his action were tasteless is not in question, just that it was the expression of a 23 year old university student.
I certainly hope Trudeaus idea of socialism was different tht Hilter. Wow, 'some' Quebec leaders supported the Vichy government, so what? A lot more in France supported him.
Your ignorance of history is well documented in TERB past threads/posts and no I'm not going to dig them up, but other members will know of what I speak.
Thunderballs, you hit the nail on the head. I tried to give a more detailed historical background with links to external sources and, of course, our friend Blackrock went berserk with his usual rant and rave routine.
Read this today and can't say I'm surprised, but terribly disappointed that people would target this woman.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...berals-threaten-election-over-quebec-charter/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...berals-threaten-election-over-quebec-charter/
I believe in "God" (or whatever one wants to call something greater than us...). I'm not a believer in any organized Religion (I grew up Catholic). That said I respect people's rights to practise their religions.
I hate the burqa- it is not a Religious garment... But the hijab, turban, and other clothing targeted with this is.
The thing I find when governments discriminate, it becomes more acceptable for people to express their bigoted views.... Things that ignorant people keep in their head become more ok to say or act upon.... Which pushes us back.
The best example I can think of is the homophobia now occurring in Russia...
I hope the fight against The Charter is successful.
You'll get that reaction especially if you visit/live/work there with a giant chip on your shoulder. Remember our long departed Simon, who went off when a store clerk didn't treat him like he thought he should be treated. There must be a banner over my head saying I'm a nice guy treat me as such, as I can't remember ever being treated purely, anywhere in Quebec, especially in QC. so far each one of those cultural issues, separation and language have failed to get the result the old guard PQist want, this one will as well. The Montrealers, the power and financial base of the province are not fooled by the PQ shell game it only the rural folk that very much live in a bubble that are buying it, but they won't carry the day. The Greater Montreal area is almost half the population of the province. You need support there to get anything done. The PQ got only 32% of the popular vote and are the ruling party by the hair of their chinny chin chin.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...d-by-francophones-poll-shows/article14334035/
"According to the Léger Marketing survey, the charter idea has boosted support for the PQ by six points, to 33 per cent."
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Quebec+proposed+values+charter+shows+leadership/8914908/story.html
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cana...da-wrong-quebec-values-charter-165553414.html
"According to the Léger Marketing survey, the charter idea has boosted support for the PQ by six points, to 33 per cent."
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Quebec+proposed+values+charter+shows+leadership/8914908/story.html
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cana...da-wrong-quebec-values-charter-165553414.html
Every time one of these campaigns were launched the was a boost immediately after, but it gradually fades and then disappears when it came time to vote.
You forgot to mention that the Liberal remained at the same 36% in the same poll, so the support's not coming from them. 36% is larger than 33%.You also forgot, or maybe didn't really forget, that on the island of Montreal, the power base of the province, the most multi-ethnic part of Quebec, 40% were for the charter and 49% against. In Quebec City, the capital, support was even lower, at 37%, while 48% said they were against.
References are great, but only if you know how to read or are honest about what they really say.
I was initially mesmerized by PET's charisma and intellectual oratory, even met him once when I was a student, but he was the worst kind of socialist who created Canada's debt problems which afflicted this country for decades.
Trudeau was the reason I stopped voting Liberal.
Trudeau was the reason I stopped voting Liberal.
So Trudeau was PM from 1968 1979 and then 1980-1984. It's tough to look at the above graphs and blame Trudeau for the debt. Maybe you could explain it to us.
What an arseclown you are Rockslinger....hijacking the thread for a Trudeau rant...... Pierre was the greatest PM of all!
Sir, it is obvious you have no clue about the culture and history of Quebec as background to the tabling of the Charter of Values.
It's certainly clear you don't. One of the reference you offered up called the Trudeau a dictator because he instituted the War Measure Act because of two kidnappings, totalling the 150+ acts of violence on the citizens of Quebec over the last seven years, culminating in 50 bombings in the year leading up to the kidnappings and murder. The Montreal exchange was bombed injuring nearly 30 people. Even the Mayor wasn't free of the threat as they bombed his home.b It puts their other opinons in question. It's you that doesn't have a clue, thinking the Seiks are more entitled to wear the turbine because they served honourably in the Allied army.
I provided several links to articles written by different authors that discuss Quebec, its people, culture, politics and events covering a 70 year period circa 1940-present. To say that I agree with 100% of every word written in those articles is just plain stupid.
Yes, I said that Sikhs served honourably on our side in many wars, including WW II, and if wearing a turban marching into battle was good enough in war, than wearing a turban in peacetime is fine with me (maybe not with you?).
