Unless she's not guilty of anything, which is what the FBI tells us.
Accepting a pardon is admitting guilt.
Or do you think Trump will have her imprisoned regardless of guilt and she just needs a pardon to stay out of jail regardless?
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Accepting a pardon is admitting guilt.
Or do you think Trump will have her imprisoned regardless of guilt and she just needs a pardon to stay out of jail regardless?
You keep saying this and yet you have read the text of the law and you know that it requires transmitting classified information to an unauthorized person. You also know that there's nothing illegal about a Secretary of State keeping classified information in her residence, whether on a computer or on a coffee table.The problem Oagre is that the language used while stating that the FBI was not recommending prosecution, was that typically used in recommending a prosecution for negligence, and laid out the case for the same.
It would ultimately be politically damaging to the Republican party. Clinton would win easily in court.^ In general I would agree with you. But what happens if in a new administration the FBI recommends prosecution for the going on involving the Clinton Foundation? A pardon would deal with that.
What are the optics of that? Bullies pursuing yet another losing case against a former political opponent out of spite?
There's another election in 4 years. Clinton won't be running, but Trump will. Whoever the Democrat candidate is will have a field day with that.
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**Sophie**
This is how it works guys, the FBI investigates, they bring their evidence to the DOJ (Department of Justice) and the DOJ decides whether to pursue or not. This IS going to happen with the Clinton Foundation, as 2 FBI agencies are working the case as we speak. One is in Arkansas, and one is in NY. The email issue was squashed by the sitting DOJ Loretta Lynch, who met with Bill Clinton on the tarmac 3 days before making a ruling. (conflict of interest? never heard of that in my life, but anyways) -For those who are familiar with the congress hearings, and the FBI statements, she got off because she was a Clinton. Plain and simple. Everyone in Congress knows it as well. But that's said and done with now. Everything is available via WikiLeaks for those who are curious.
Now, Loretta Lynch who is currently the AG, is gonna get the heave ho, good riddance. Trump is going to appoint his own AG, one that is non partisan and they will deal with the rest. Trump has enough to deal with. Whether he pardons her or not, has nothing to do with if the DOJ decides to pursue her Clinton Foundation once the evidence is handed in, and if anyone has read WikiLeaks, we know for sure she accepted Billions of dollars from foreign donators etc. even from Saudi Arabia. She needs to be held accountable and maybe they should show some good faith, start giving Haiti some love and pay them back the money they stole.
Peace
Now, Loretta Lynch who is currently the AG, is gonna get the heave ho, good riddance. Trump is going to appoint his own AG, one that is non partisan and they will deal with the rest. Trump has enough to deal with. Whether he pardons her or not, has nothing to do with if the DOJ decides to pursue her Clinton Foundation once the evidence is handed in, and if anyone has read WikiLeaks, we know for sure she accepted Billions of dollars from foreign donators etc. even from Saudi Arabia. She needs to be held accountable and maybe they should show some good faith, start giving Haiti some love and pay them back the money they stole.
Peace
It's just going to make the Republicans look unfit to govern. Persecuting political opponents with false charges is banana republic bullshit. If they ever do try to go to court an actual judge will give them a politically humiliating tongue lashing for bringing a frivolous case.This is how it works guys, the FBI investigates, they bring their evidence to the DOJ and the DOJ decides whether to pursue or not. This IS going to happen with the Clinton Foundation, as 2 FBI agencies are working the case as we speak. One is in Arkansas, and one is in NY. The email issue who squashed by the sitting DOJ Loretta Lynch, anyone listening to the evidence would know, she got off because she was a Clinton. Everyone in Congress knows it as well. But that's said and done with now. Everything is available via wikileaks.
Loretta Lynch is gonna get the heave ho, good riddance and Trump is going to appoint his own AG, one that is non partisan and they will deal with the rest. Trump has enough to deal with. Whether he pardons her or not, has nothing to do with if the DOJ decides to pursue her Clinton Foundation once the evidence is handed in, and if anyone has read WikiLeaks, we know for sure she accepted Billions of dollars from foreign donators etc. even from Saudi Arabia. She needs to be held accountable. They should start by showing Haiti some love and give them back the money they stole.
Peace
What you may see is lots of grandstanding in Congress. Congressional "investigations"are really just congressmen standing around giving speeches without any accountability and under the protection of the house where they can't be sued for libel.
So much bullshit.
I disagree. A criminal witch hunt and a pardon would annoy people on both sides. Democrats will see it as needless vindictiveness pushing an investigation that is going nowhere. Trump supporters will see it as a betrayal since Donald put 'lock her up' as one of his key platforms....
A pardon is the best way to deal with this.
Let the FBI investigate but if they find no major wrongdoings then just let it drop. Same goes for FBI investigations into Trump/Putin ties. neither one helps the cause of unity.
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**Sophie**
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is a law issue and the LAW will deal with it. Nobody is above the law. You can't open up a non profit organization and then steal from everyone, what's wrong with you??? Clinton Foundation has been under investigation from last year and yes they deserve to be held accountable, regardless of the name. It could be Trump, Sophie, Fuji,or Hillary. That's the beauty of Lady Justice and why she wears a blindfold. Names or political affiliations are not supposed to make a difference.It's just going to make the Republicans look unfit to govern. Persecuting political opponents with false charges is banana republic bullshit. If they ever do try to go to court an actual judge will give them a politically humiliating tongue lashing for bringing a frivolous case.
What you may see is lots of grandstanding in Congress. Congressional "investigations"are really just congressmen standing around giving speeches without any accountability and under the protection of the house where they can't be sued for libel.
So much bullshit.
I agree.I disagree. A criminal witch hunt and a pardon would annoy people on both sides. Democrats will see it as needless vindictiveness pushing an investigation that is going nowhere. Trump supporters will see it as a betrayal since Donald put 'lock her up' as one of his key platforms.
Let the FBI investigate but if they find no major wrongdoings then just let it drop. Same goes for FBI investigations into Trump/Putin ties. neither one helps the cause of unity.
Although I shouldn't bother to waste the time of taking you off ignore.It would ultimately be politically damaging to the Republican party.
On this point you might be correct.
On this point are you nuts, this is the Clinton Foundation investigation NOT the e-mails.Clinton would win easily in court.
p.s. as to the e-mails you are still nuts, but I'm not going to wast any further time.
Despite what some posters seemingly think, I don't have a horse in this race.I disagree. A criminal witch hunt and a pardon would annoy people on both sides. Democrats will see it as needless vindictiveness pushing an investigation that is going nowhere. Trump supporters will see it as a betrayal since Donald put 'lock her up' as one of his key platforms.
Let the FBI investigate but if they find no major wrongdoings then just let it drop. Same goes for FBI investigations into Trump/Putin ties. neither one helps the cause of unity.
Yes, I believe she has flouted the law, do I think that destroying the U.S. merely to bring the Clintons to the bar of the law is worth it -- absolutely not.
History will give its own verdict.
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**Sophie**
How about we let a jury of her peers decide? After all that is what the law is for. If Nixon was alive today.Despite what some posters seemingly think, I don't have a horse in this race.
Yes, I believe she has flouted the law, do I think that destroying the U.S. merely to bring the Clintons to the bar of the law is worth it -- absolutely not.
History will give its own verdict.
While I understand the point you make Sophie, I still feel that a pardon even as President Ford gave to former President Nixon would be in the best interest of the United States.How about we let a jury of her peers decide? After all that is what the law is for. If Nixon was alive today.
As for those who say 'but she would be acknowledging an implication of guilt' -- if she wants to take her chances by refusing a pardon let her.
You just don't like the reality is the situation and it seems to infuriate you when you are shown the facts.Although I shouldn't bother to waste the time of taking you off ignore.
On this point you might be correct.
On this point are you nuts, this is the Clinton Foundation investigation NOT the e-mails.
p.s. as to the e-mails you are still nuts, but I'm not going to wast any further time.
It's not in the Democrat's interests to save the Republicans on this one. They have tried to use the police and courts for purely political purposes, to try and jail political opponents they can't beat on the issues.While I understand the point you make Sophie, I still feel that a pardon even as President Ford gave to former President Nixon would be in the best interest of the United States.
As for those who say 'but she would be acknowledging an implication of guilt' -- if she wants to take her chances by refusing a pardon let her.
There US would be best served by a very public trial at which the frivolousness of the Republican claims are exposed for all to see.
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**Sophie**
I think Trump will Pardon her, although I don't agree with that because for one I see everyone as being equal. The guy laying on the crate downtown is the same to me as the billionaire down the road. I realise I'm a rare breed. There are people sitting in jail, like right now, for doing less, will they be let out or pardoned? Why should Hillary or Bill be given a pass? Will they pardon Bill too? Will she still be able to keep the non-profit and continue to steal?While I understand the point you make Sophie, I still feel that a pardon even as President Ford gave to former President Nixon would be in the best interest of the United States.
As for those who say 'but she would be acknowledging an implication of guilt' -- if she wants to take her chances by refusing a pardon let her.
Why do you feel it would harm the republican party, is this not a democrat issue as well? I'm actually really curious and am open minded, maybe I'm just too stiff.
You have to be accused of wrongdoing to be pardoned. No one outside the Breitbart echo chamber has accused Clinton of anything.I think Trump will Pardon her, although I don't agree with that because for one I see everyone as being equal. The guy laying on the crate downtown is the same to me as the billionaire down the road. I realise I'm a rare breed. There are people sitting in jail, like right now, for doing less, will they be let out? Why should sheor Bill be given a pass? Will they pardon Bill too? Will she still be able to keep the non-profit and continue to steal? Why do you feel it would harm the republican party, is this not a democrat issue as well? I'm actually really curious and am open minded, maybe I'm just too stiff.
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**Sophie**
Okay let's PRETEND she is, then what?You have to be accused of wrongdoing to be pardoned. No one outside the Breitbart echo chamber has accused Clinton of anything.
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**Sophie**
