Putin/Comey win

[**Sophie**]

The Russians hacked the DNC.
Here is the joint statement by the 17 US intel agencies that confirms that Russians hacked Clinton's email.


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national

The state department was also hacked, so chances are she could have been hacked had she used the state department email as well.

Pussy Riot, who went and visited Assange, are sure that Assange works with Russia.
You should also read her take on Trump, having lived through Putin's rule.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...is-connected-with-the-russian-government.html

I know that's what they want people to think. 17 agencies didn't say the Russians hacked the DNC what they said was they "are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts” which is far short of saying we have evidence that Russia has been responsible for the hacks.

Clinton tried to defend the DNI/DHS statement by repeating the myth that U.S. intelligence officers are completely insulated from politics. She must think Americans will forget how the CIA crafted the politicized Benghazi talking points in 2011 and how SOUTHCOM intelligence analysts were pressured to distort their analysis of ISIS and Syria to support Obama foreign policy.

The same intelligence agency also said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, they were wrong.

 

[fuji]

WikiLeaks has been publishing for 10 years leaking documents on many governments. Russia is not exempt from those leaks. The Russians didn't hack the DNC, someone inside the DNC leaked the information. Like missing Clinton Foundation CEO Eric Bravman for example. But let's just say for the sake of argument it was the Russians, maybe if Hillary didn't have an unsecure server, that wouldn't have happened.

You are delusional. It's been confirmed by US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the DNC hack.

I don't believe Trump or his campaign were complicit in any direct way. But Putin has lots of ties to Trump and figures it benefits Russia if he wins, so Putin did what he does.

Now Russia has a pliant puppet in the Whitehouse.

 

[Smallcock]

You are delusional. It's been confirmed by US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind the DNC hack.

I don't believe Trump or his campaign were complicit in any direct way. But Putin has lots of ties to Trump and figures it benefits Russia if he wins, so Putin did what he does.

Now Russia has a pliant puppet in the Whitehouse.

Yeah Trump was anything but "pliant" for the DNC, RNC, mainstream media, Wall Street, apparently half the country, but he's going to bend over backward to please Putin - a man he has never met and has no ties to, and whose system of government Trump finds deplorable.

Strange theory.

 

[fuji]

Yeah Trump was anything but "pliant" for the DNC, RNC, mainstream media, Wall Street, apparently half the country, but he's going to bend over backward to please Putin - a man he has never met and has no ties to, and whose system of government Trump finds deplorable.

Strange theory.

Yes, he's pliant. He showed repeatedly that he can be baited and played.

And quit the "never met Putin" garbage, he HAS not only met but worked closely with many Kremlin connected oligarchs, many of whom are his business partners.

 

[nottyboi]

The US had the choice between a war criminal and a huckster, it went with the huckster. I cannot at this point say they made the wrong decision. Hillary was push for a confrontation with the Russian, if she got it, there would be no winners.

Trump lied though his teeth, and America deserved every single lie.

 

[Frankfooter]

I know that's what they want people to think. 17 agencies didn't say the Russians hacked the DNC what they said was they "are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts” which is far short of saying we have evidence that Russia has been responsible for the hacks.

Clinton tried to defend the DNI/DHS statement by repeating the myth that U.S. intelligence officers are completely insulated from politics. She must think Americans will forget how the CIA crafted the politicized Benghazi talking points in 2011 and how SOUTHCOM intelligence analysts were pressured to distort their analysis of ISIS and Syria to support Obama foreign policy.

The same intelligence agency also said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, they were wrong.

Actually those intel agencies said Saddam didn't have the bomb, but Bush still claimed they did against their wishes.

Claiming that all 17 of those agencies are in a conspiracy against Trump is really pushing the conspiracy theory claims a bit too far. That statement is about as strong as you'd get from those agencies and its the strongest evidence of the origins of the hacks anywhere. Don't discount it.

As well, there's a good interview with a member of Pussy Riot who went and talked with Assange, she's positive that Assange is linked in with the Russians.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...is-connected-with-the-russian-government.html

 

[**Sophie**]

Actually those intel agencies said Saddam didn't have the bomb, but Bush still claimed they did against their wishes.

Claiming that all 17 of those agencies are in a conspiracy against Trump is really pushing the conspiracy theory claims a bit too far. That statement is about as strong as you'd get from those agencies and its the strongest evidence of the origins of the hacks anywhere. Don't discount it.

As well, there's a good interview with a member of Pussy Riot who went and talked with Assange, she's positive that Assange is linked in with the Russians.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...is-connected-with-the-russian-government.html

Do you know who those 17 Intelligence agencies are? 17 agencies, omg it must be true. I'm not that naiive. I do my research and that was a false statement. It was actually the DHI/NSA. Indeed, the NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, who served as the senior technical director within the agency, who managed six thousand NSA employees, the 36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted Soviet invasions before they happened (“in the 1970s, he decrypted the Soviet Union’s command system, which provided the US and its allies with real-time surveillance of all Soviet troop movements and Russian atomic weapons”) – says that Russia probably would not have used a “known” hacking method to gather and then leak DNC emails to sway the election.

Also, there could be other governments, groups or individuals that hacked into HRC or the DNC and had the emails. Now the question is who sent them to Wikileaks? It could be any one of them or as Julian Assange somewhat implied that it was an insider in the DNC. Where is Eric Braveman??

If the idiots in the intelligence community expect us to believe them after all the crap they have told us (like WMD’s in Iraq and “no we don’t collect data on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans”) then they need to give clear proof of what they say. So far, they have failed to prove anything.
Which suggests they don’t have proof and just want to war monger the US public into a second cold war with the Russians. After all, there’s lots and lots of money in that for the military-industrial-intelligence-governmental complex of incestuous relationships.

If you recall, a few years ago they pointed to a specific building in China that was where hacks on the US were originating. So, let’s see the same from the Russians. They don’t have it. That’s why they don’t show it.

FINALLY -Because Trump won the election, we will no longer have a cold war with Russia - That's great news!

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you know who those 17 Intelligence agencies are? 17 agencies, omg it must be true. I'm not that naiive. I do my research and that was a false statement. It was actually the DHI/NSA. Indeed, the NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, who served as the senior technical director within the agency, who managed six thousand NSA employees, the 36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted Soviet invasions before they happened (“in the 1970s, he decrypted the Soviet Union’s command system, which provided the US and its allies with real-time surveillance of all Soviet troop movements and Russian atomic weapons”) – says that Russia probably would not have used a “known” hacking method to gather and then leak DNC emails to sway the election.

Also, there could be other governments, groups or individuals that hacked into HRC or the DNC and had the emails. Now the question is who sent them to Wikileaks? It could be any one of them or as Julian Assange somewhat implied that it was an insider in the DNC. Where is Eric Braveman??

If the idiots in the intelligence community expect us to believe them after all the crap they have told us (like WMD’s in Iraq and “no we don’t collect data on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans”) then they need to give clear proof of what they say. So far, they have failed to prove anything.
Which suggests they don’t have proof and just want to war monger the US public into a second cold war with the Russians. After all, there’s lots and lots of money in that for the military-industrial-intelligence-governmental complex of incestuous relationships.

If you recall, a few years ago they pointed to a specific building in China that was where hacks on the US were originating. So, let’s see the same from the Russians. They don’t have it. That’s why they don’t show it.

FINALLY -Because Trump won the election, we will no longer have a cold war with Russia - That's great news!

Again, here's the joint statement.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national

I see that once you buy into the Trump narrative you can dispute everything as part of the 'conspiracy' or 'establishment' or 'MSM. You claimed you did your research and yet all you posted here was an opinion, if you've done your research lets see it.

 

[**Sophie**]

Again, here's the joint statement.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07...omeland-security-and-office-director-national

I see that once you buy into the Trump narrative you can dispute everything as part of the 'conspiracy' or 'establishment' or 'MSM. You claimed you did your research and yet all you posted here was an opinion, if you've done your research lets see it.

And I see you can't accept any other narrative than Russia has hacked the DNC. I won't even mention how Podesta lost his phone in China. I just gave you real life examples of how the IA were wrong and/or lied in recent history, that is not my opinion, it's documented fact.

There will not be a cold war with Russia because Trump is President and Russia wants to mend that relationship, that's the end result. But maybe you want war, who knows.

To quote Hillary " WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE"

 

[Smallcock]

The US had the choice between a war criminal and a huckster, it went with the huckster. I cannot at this point say they made the wrong decision. Hillary was push for a confrontation with the Russian, if she got it, there would be no winners.

Trump lied though his teeth, and America deserved every single lie.

What did he lie about?

 

[Frankfooter]

And I see you can't accept any other narrative than Russia has hacked the DNC. I won't even mention how Podesta lost his phone in China. I just gave you real life examples of how the IA were wrong in recent history, that is not opinion, it's documented fact.

There will not be a cold war with Russia because Trump is President and Russia wants to mend that relationship, that's the end result. But maybe you want war, who knows.

To quote Hillary " WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE"

So you don't have any evidence to back up your claims in this case?
Pointing out Bush and his refusal to accept intel doesn't make your point, it does the opposite.

And as for the 'cold war', there hadn't been any such real thing. Putin had been pushing in Ukraine and Syria, expect those to go further soon, but otherwise, no war.
Instead what the US did was elect an autocrat who models himself on Putin and used his help to get in power.

You really should read Pussy Riot interviews about the rise of Putin compared to Trump, they really are incredibly similar.

 

[**Sophie**]

So you don't have any evidence to back up your claims in this case?
Pointing out Bush and his refusal to accept intel doesn't make your point, it does the opposite.

And as for the 'cold war', there hadn't been any such real thing. Putin had been pushing in Ukraine and Syria, expect those to go further soon, but otherwise, no war.
Instead what the US did was elect an autocrat who models himself on Putin and used his help to get in power.

You really should read Pussy Riot interviews about the rise of Putin compared to Trump, they really are incredibly similar.

This is your evidence taken from your link.

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.
Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.
Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS. A number of states have already done so. DHS is providing several services to state and local election officials to assist in their cybersecurity. These services include cyber “hygiene” scans of Internet-facing systems, risk and vulnerability assessments, information sharing about cyber incidents, and best practices for securing voter registration databases and addressing potential cyber threats. DHS has convened an Election Infrastructure Cybersecurity Working Group with experts across all levels of government to raise awareness of cybersecurity risks potentially affecting election infrastructure and the elections process. Secretary Johnson and DHS officials are working directly with the National Association of Secretaries of State to offer assistance, share information, and provide additional resources to state and local officials.

That's enough for you? We can agree to disagree. We are going in circles, but I will give your pussy a chance and watch it lol

 

[Butler1000]

Stone says he met someone who had direct links to Assange, not Assange personally. Its all there in the article.
Stone also tweeted that Podesta's emails were going to be released before wikileaks made any announcements publicly.
The tweet is there in the article.

As the article notes:



Guccifer 2 (Russians and Putin) - Assange - mediator - Stone - Trump

That's the official path Clinton's emails went on.

Where does Kevin Bacon fit into this?

 

[Frankfooter]

This is your evidence taken from your link.

That's enough for you? We can agree to disagree. We are going in circles, but I will give your pussy a chance and watch it lol

That is enough.
It shows that US intel thinks Russia was behind the wiki leaks that sunk Clinton.
It also shows that there are other state actors but they aren't suspected in aiding Trump like the Russians did.

 

[**Sophie**]

That is enough.
It shows that US intel thinks Russia was behind the wiki leaks that sunk Clinton.
It also shows that there are other state actors but they aren't suspected in aiding Trump like the Russians did.

Not nearly enough for me, that's where you and I differ and I wasn't overly impressed with the Pussy Riot either

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You really should read Pussy Riot interviews about the rise of Putin compared to Trump, they really are incredibly similar

Putin is an awesome leader. If Trump is anything like him the US will do great!!

 

[fuji]

Putin is an awesome leader. If Trump is anything like him the US will do great!!

Please put down the crack pipe. Putin has bankrupted Russia through massive corruption, which he has distracted his people from by starting one foreign war after another. He holds onto power through brutal repression of his own people: people disappear, political opposition are killed or imprisoned, elections are rigged. He has been a catastrophe for Russia.

The only thing I can think you like about Putin is that he is a brutal dictator who has crushed or killed all opposition. Presumably you like strong iron fisted leaders like that.

Is that what you like?

If so, that would make you a fascist.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Please put down the crack pipe. Putin has bankrupted Russia through massive corruption, which he has distracted his people from by starting one foreign war after another. He holds onto power through brutal repression of his own people: people disappear, political opposition are killed or imprisoned, elections are rigged. He has been a catastrophe for Russia.

The only thing I can think you like about Putin is that he is a brutal dictator who has crushed or killed all opposition. Presumably you like strong iron fisted leaders like that.

Is that what you like?

If so, that would make you a fascist

Oh noes, I'm a fascist. The fuji butthurt continues

Next 8 years are gonna be a lot of fun opcorn:

 

[basketcase]

Putin is an awesome leader. ...

I can only conclude this is a troll comment. No one who isn't in Putin's inner circle would think that (though I'm sure many Russians would say it if they thought the FSB was listening). In terms of civil rights and liberties, Russia ranks in the 'Not Free' category and ranks slightly above 'Repressed' in terms of economic freedom. The Cato Institute ranks Russia as 111 in overall freedoms.

If that is seriously where you hope the US goes, you must hate Americans.

 

[nottyboi]

Please put down the crack pipe. Putin has bankrupted Russia through massive corruption, which he has distracted his people from by starting one foreign war after another. He holds onto power through brutal repression of his own people: people disappear, political opposition are killed or imprisoned, elections are rigged. He has been a catastrophe for Russia.

The only thing I can think you like about Putin is that he is a brutal dictator who has crushed or killed all opposition. Presumably you like strong iron fisted leaders like that.

Is that what you like?

If so, that would make you a fascist.

Russian foreign reserves USD385 billion

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/RUREFEG:IND


so why would you say that they are bankrupt?

You are claiming people do not disappear in the USA? Or Canada?

What about all the fact that the USA has a much higher percentage of its people in jail?