Putin/Comey win

[Moviefan-2]

Obamacare was a huge factor, as well.

Clinton suffered something like a 10-point drop in the polls in one week, just prior to the Comey announcement. That's because people were getting notices about their new premiums and many were learning they face major increases.

 

[Smallcock]

And the Clinton machine of influence peddling just took a serious blow. She won't have anyone in Washington to go to after this.

She won't be able to get anyone to take her calls I bet. She will be finished as major force in politics.

I think you're right. Thank God.

 

[fuji]

If you think people in the rural rust belt votes were determined by the FBI "thing" I'd say you're wrong

Whether or not you like it, it did move the polls by more than Trump's margin over Clinton. Would it have changed a die-hard Trump or Clinton voter's mind? Obviously not. But the election wasn't decided by die-hards, it was decided by those who were undecided into the final week.

 

[Butler1000]

Whether or not you like it, it did move the polls by more than Trump's margin over Clinton. Would it have changed a die-hard Trump or Clinton voter's mind? Obviously not. But the election wasn't decided by die-hards, it was decided by those who were undecided into the final week.

It was the polls that were wrong. You need to understand that. Just like they were wrong on Brexit.

 

[fuji]

It was the polls that were wrong. You need to understand that. Just like they were wrong on Brexit.

The polls had the race nearly tied by Sunday, the error was relatively small, and much less than the extent Comey's shenanigans moved the polls by.

 

[Butler1000]

The polls had the race nearly tied by Sunday, the error was relatively small, and much less than the extent Comey's shenanigans moved the polls by.

Like aardi said. I think the Obama care premiums were a much bigger factor.

And the trade policies for the rust belt states.

And simply the anger I've mentioned several times.

the FBI really wasn't a factor. I think the polls were wrong. Something in the way they conduct them has gone wrong and they need to rethink. The LA times one that followed people over a long time apparently got it right.

Expect that to be the new model.

 

[Calgacus]

Whether or not you like it, it did move the polls by more than Trump's margin over Clinton. Would it have changed a die-hard Trump or Clinton voter's mind? Obviously not. But the election wasn't decided by die-hards, it was decided by those who were undecided into the final week.

It was decided by the fact that Trump turned out voters that Romney could only dream of and that Hillary couldn't turn out the black/Latino vote like Obama.

You're not reading the tea leaves correctly after both Brexit and Trump. Look at the non-college educated female vote. They destroyed Hillarys chances of victory. No need to look for the boogeyman ala Putin/Comey/Assange. Hillary just needs to look in the mirror. Ignoring places like Wisconsin and Michigan and what motivated the majority of voters there and the rest of the rust belt is what cost her this election. Trump spoke to those people. Hillary didn't. Michael Moore saw this coming. He understood that white working class people were pissed at the establishment. The Clintons are part of that establishment or at least they're perceived to be

 

[Calgacus]

People lied to the pollsters. It's that simple.

 

[Smallcock]

Trump won Reagan Democrats in larger margins than Reagan did. They're called Trump Democrats now.

 

[asterwald]

Trump won Reagan Democrats in larger margins than Reagan did. They're called Trump Democrats now.

Have you ever seen polls this wrong? Yahoo still has pre election stories on its page. It says "Clinton will win fast" and "Latino surge crushes Trumps hopes"

 

[Butler1000]

Have you ever seen polls this wrong? Yahoo still has pre election stories on its page. It says "Clinton will win fast" and "Latino surge crushes Trumps hopes"

No one has. A whole lot of people are going to be trying to figure out why or they are unemployed.

The LA times apparently was close. I think the new model of extended engagement with a group may become the new norm.

For now watch the knives come out with the Democrats.

And the sucking up by Republicans.

 

[shogun89]

Quick, order an immediate electoral recount on behalf of Fuji's desperate Kooky conspiracy theories fully equipped with tinfoil hat lolololol

 

[asterwald]

Quick, order an immediate electoral recount on behalf of Fuji's desperate Kooky conspiracy theories fully equipped with tinfoil hat lolololol

The best part of this election is that Fuji will be quieter now. That is why I logged into Terb after so long.

 

[Jubee]

The best part of this election is that Fuji will be quieter now. That is why I logged into Terb after so long.

No, you'll just keep hearing "I'm fucked! You're fucked! We're fucked!......but he'll continue on more with the latter, jumping on couches like Tom Cruise did, bouncing around all over the place."

 

[Butler1000]

The best part of this election is that Fuji will be quieter now. That is why I logged into Terb after so long.

Are you kidding? He won't shut up about Trump for the next four years. But it'll be fun to bait him.

 

[Aardvark154]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Aardvark154]

You very seldom see this fully broken out but the famous gender gap of U.S. politics really is a Black Women gender gap, White Women including University educated White women in fact generally vote Republican - it is only when you add in Black women that you get the famous/infamous women favour Democrats.

 

[Frankfooter]

You speak the truth. Two people I know in the states said their health care doubled within the past two weeks. I'm wondering how many thousands saw the same hikes?

I also agree with Smallcock. While Hillary was throwing a pile of celebrities at voters, Trump was campaigning his tail over doing multiple states and cities in the same day. He worked for this win.

I'm sure they'll be much happier when its just cancelled altogether.

 

[Aardvark154]

I'm sure they'll be much happier when its just cancelled altogether.

Now push comes to shove, there will have to be some better replacement for Obamacare - there are proposals out there.

 

[Frankfooter]

Now push comes to shove, there will have to be some better replacement for Obamacare - there are proposals out there.

That's funny.
Trump just said he'll come up with something better but had absolutely no plan or details. You know he'll just cancel it and that will be the end of it.
Goodbye American health care.