Provincial Opposition Loses Their Shit
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I was truly embarrassed to watch that. It's political theatre that has gotten worse over the years, by all parties. Take the cameras out of the House of Commons, Legislative Assembly of Ontario and City Hall and people will start acting like adults, debating the issues with decorum and respect.
MPP’s get a severance dependant on salary & years served as an MPP.
Unlike in federal politics -- where MPs and senators earn a lifetime pension -- Ontario MPPs are given severance based on the number of years served in office and average annual remuneration.
An MPP that has served four years or less at Queen's Park receives a severance equal to six months of his or her average salary; a member serving more than four years but less that eight years earns one years' salary; and any MPP with more than eight years in office gets a severance equal to eighteen months pay.
The largest payout, according to the data provided to Yahoo Canada News, goes to former cabinet minister Liberal Ric Bartolucci. For his 19 years service, he get's a taxpayer funded 'going away present' of $265,400.
Progressive Conservative Doug Holyday, who had been an MPP for less than one year, will take home $77,000.
You have wrong again. But you always do when isn't "your" party. You are proving to just be one the many biased terbites would rather die than cross the floor on ANY issue. So tiring.
I think it's kind refreshing that a party is actually doing what they said they would rather than flip flopping just get re-elected. Goodness knows we had over 10 years of that.
Yes and how many times they do it to the extreme that the Speaker of the House had to kick them out. None.
They should have debated the issue on it merits not behave like spoiled brats. I am sorry that unless she changes Horwath will never make a true leader and you are going have to wait until the Liberals find a suitable leader before the Government has a hope of changing.
"Doing what they said they would do"? When did Ford ever state that he was going to disrupt the Toronto election MID-election by cutting City Council?
Do please quote the Leader or the Party saying they were going to reduce the size of Toronto's Council. Or any City Council.
Speaking of reducing the size of the government they were elected to run: When are they going to reduce the number of MPPs? If they made each MPP represent the same number of voters as their Toronto Councillor vendetta, the Legislature would run a lot cheaper. What have they got against efficiency and the interests of taxpayers?
Of course they'd lose more than a few seats in the process.
“Reduce the size of government”
Is city council not government within the province’s jurisdiction?
Are you mad because it wasn’t spelled out for you?
All political parties campaign on various promises that aren’t all spelled out to the minute detail.
They are usually broader in scope during a campaign.
Like when the Liberals campaigned on reducing car insurance by 15%...errrr...sorry, that’s a bad example...that one was just an outright lie.
If they would have been specific about reducing Toronto council the outcome would have been the same. ie Toronto would have not voted for him and everyone else would have anyway.
So why are you focusing on the whole “he didn’t specifically say that” thing when it would not have made a difference?
It wasn't spelled out for anyone, and the government Ford was running to lead was Ontario's not Toronto's. I knew he was dishonest from the get go, so it hasn't made me angry to see him keep to type. I'm angry to see my City become his victim.
The name of the City whose government he intended to shrink before he got down to doing his real job — which is to run the whole province, not fuck over Toronto — is hardly a minute detail. You may believe your BS, the rest of us aren't that stupid. Apparently you were stupid enough to believe political parties control insurance premiums, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised you swallowed this latest OPC KoolAde.
You can imagine fantasy election results till the next Election, but they persuade me of nothing. If Ford had been honest — hard to believe but this is a hypothetical — about his intentions, my bet is the NDP and Liberals would have done even better here in the City than they did. Perhaps even a clean sweep, which would have left DoFo scrambling for a seat in his own Leg.
But like your reply, that's just fantasy. It's only his dishonesty that's real.
IF Ford wanted to reduce the size of municipal govts, then he would come up with a formula for approx number of council with some or all of following factors: Population, population density, businesses per square mile, taxes per capita, municipal budget etc, etc, and create a template that could be applied across all major municipalities in Ontario. IF he did this, and passed legislation to go into effect for all future elections (instead of messing up one that is already in progress) - it would have passed, saved MORE money and would not create any sort of Constitutional authority questions. But he didn't do that, because he's petty, moronic thug. He just pulled a number out of his butt crack which would target his old Toronto City Council foes. He's using his office to settle scores. Nobody should cheer that when the alternative of doing it properly would have been a much better, more responsible, and effective choice.
Michael Harris has been kicked out. Jack McLaren was booted out. As was Todd Smith. Bill Murdoch. Randy Hillier. CONs have been kicked out, maybe not in the same numbers as the NDP yesterday, but opposition members have done it before.
What part of democratically elected premier do you not understand?
Ontario's finances are in a mess. If the loonie left continues to block Fords attempts to right that ship, default is almost certain
Who will you blame when the provinces cheques start to bounce
Now I've heard everything. Ontario Finances are in a mess, so what does Doug Ford do as his early actions? Buck a beer, and cutting Toronto City Council (which he claims will save 23 million - which even if true (likely not)) has already been eaten into by the inevitable court costs and legislative time waste to deal with this fiasco. (not to mention the extra expense and time of last minute organizing of even holding the election under the new rules and boundaries, since our idiot Premier decided to rush this through after the election is already in progress). So the net savings will be less than the rounding error in Ontario's budget. And THIS is what's sucking the oxygen from Ford's early mandate... oxygen which Ford's brain can ill afford to do without.
You base you biased opinion on something that hasn't happened yet, ie "fuck overToronto"...you assume Toronto will be worse off than it is when most people don't agree with you, evident by the lack of protesters and other noise.
In fact, I'm willing to bet most Torontonians couldn't tell you how many councillors there were prior to the announcement let alone really care.
Anyone who voted for Doug Ford wouldn't have been swayed over this.
Anyone who would have voted Liberal would have voted NDP instead.
Nothing would have been different.
Be honest, you are just upset at yet another PC decision that has been carried out. Anything they do you will have a problem with because you would have preferred another party to be in power. Hence the bias.
And btw which party would have been your preference?
Dishonesty?
Let's compare notes between Ford and the past 15 years of Liberal government in this province.
You first...go ahead.
When you try and fix the size of the mess he inherited from the now defunct Liberal crooks, you start with the biggest problem with government in this province. Reduce the size of government=Toronto. Toronto is the economic engine of the province.
Why try to boil the ocean? You start and do.
Not plan, debate, change the plan, debate, etc, etc...like Toronto council has been doing for years and accomplishing nothing.
And if you haven't gathered already, this is how the new era of PC's will be dealing with the left. It's really the only way to deal with the left.
Get used to it. Conform. And be happy...this will be at a federal level as well in about a year.
Why wait another 4 years to reduce council? The outrage would be the same. It's just that since they decided to do it now, you are using the "in the middle of an election" argument. Let's face it, middle of an election or 20 years from now, the level of your outrage would be the same. So go ahead and argue but the election thing is nonsense.
And at the very least, he is doing what he can to reduce costs vs the previous government that did nothing but increase them.
Don't blame Ford for the court costs...city council decided to pursue this in court, not Ford. Your rage is misdirected.
He just made it consistent with MP's and MPP's. Number was not pulled out of a hat. I believe 27 is more than adequate. Los Angeles, with a population of 4M, has 15 councilors. New York City, with a population of 8.5M, has 51 councilors. Houston, with a population of 2.4M, has 16 councilors. The only large city comparable to Toronto is Chicago, with a population of 2.6M it has 50 councilors. And we all know how squeaky clean Chicago municipal politics is
Toronto could face 'uphill battle' against Ford's use of notwithstanding clause:
It is great to see that the Councillors are going to battle this stupid Section 33 and how it was implemented. There are some loopholes that can be exploited. The City Council should go all the way to the very end as Drug Dealer Dumb DOFO has come up with this ridiculous bit of gut instinct and by impulse that is very personal and has very little to do with saving taxpayers money:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/notwithstanding-doug-ford-toronto-1.4821147
It is great to see that the Councillors are going to battle this stupid Section 33 and how it was implemented. There are some loopholes that can be exploited. The City Council should go all the way to the very end as Drug Dealer Dumb DOFO has come up with this ridiculous bit of gut instinct and by impulse that is very personal and has very little to do with saving taxpayers money:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/notwithstanding-doug-ford-toronto-1.4821147
