Providers' websites

[Jasmine Raine]

Hi Rach,

I don't think some of your statements are backed factually, but respect your opinions on them.

- I've never seen anyone "lambasted" here while discussing the sharing terb / cerb / twitter handles... Just real-life / name of your work and phone # at work were both strongly opposed.

She said that men seem to think we should book nameless, faceless person with no valid cell. You just admitted that. How do you disagree when you admit that men don't want to give real name and number? That would be nameless, faceless and no valid cell.

- the men are the one's risking breaking the law, as it's legal to sell just not legal to buy... Which is why anominity is crucial unfortunately.

This is not an anonymous industry. It is an industry of discretion, but not anominity. And I am sorry that you are now breaking the law but for all the years before 2015, we were breaking the law and men still said the same thing. So again, not really a valid point.

- we are the consumers with the $ and privilege comes with that. Same way when you hire any service, the seller is to accommodate the buyer in order to profit. Someone else will provide the service the buyer would like if needs cannot be met.

Says any person who doesn't truly understand business.

Just for your FYI - The customer is not always right and in this business, the next "trick" is faster to find then the next reliable professional SP and even faster then a flakey, B&S switch now that BP is down. Just sayin'


- Full anonymity (in regards to real life verification) is a must. Terb / twitter no problem. Real phone #'s also are now going away as texting apps work great for both providers and clients.

You can be found via twitter and TERB as well, please don't be fooled into thinking you are not traceable everywhere you go on the net. Many providers screen against text apps, we have sites to let us know. Text apps are less and less accepted and will be less and less used

- Also, your paragraph is mostly about stopping spamming and fake booking, and then finish it off with "for my safety"...

Things will never go backwards, they move forward with new laws and new technology. We all have to adapt and roll with it and try to respect both sides of the transaction. For as many time wasters as you get, we also have to sift through a sea of fakes so WE don't get robbed or worse.

The fact that buyers are illegal and sellers are not is enough for most to protect their privacy any way possible.

My straight forward opinions only, no meaness or rudeness implied. Cheers.

I have clients come to my personal private home. They know me, they know the real me, then can share their real name and number in return. It is quite a fair tit for tat in that regard.

You worry about flakey girls, B&S and lackluster service. Fakes are not robbers. They are fake and most men thinking with their cock allow themselves to be taken for a non fun ride, but they are not "robbed" when getting bad service. That happens, I won't deny. But there are more women raped, robbed and murdered as SPs then men are robbed. The voilence that women face is greater then men. Sorry that is fact. Look it up if you want the stats. Anyone who plays so dumb to not acknowledge the difference between voilence women and men face in this industry is clearly a very closed minded person.

So this is for my safey because that is all I care about. If that doesn't work for you, then move on. No opinion needed.

 

[hoffa68]

Wow quite a lot of opinions here. There is a lot of back and forth in regards to the whole I'm taking a risk no I'm taking a risk, He said/she said BS. I've said this before but we all have to get past it because we are all taking a risk. It’s not a competition. A provider has to do what is best for herself, what she feels most comfortable with. Same goes with the client. He has to worry about what might affect his life.

I for one will never give out my real phone number or my any personal information. I use a text app which I can actually take calls on and I have had only one provider state that they won't deal with me because of that. I respected that and moved on.

I myself have had an issue trying to provide SP references because of what providers I may see. I break down the providers into 3 categories in Ottawa. This isn't 100 percent accurate and will have some exceptions but its how I look at it.

1) The independents that are a part of a community and talk to each other and organize to help each other out and protect themselves. They generally are the ones who have stricter screening policies and usually but not always are on the higher end of cost spectrum

2) The fakes/forced providers. I call this the Pimp category. I always felt this was 70% of BP. When we are complaining about B and S and services not provided that were offered. It generally is because they are being run by a pimp. I have always tried to stay away from this area as I don't want to facilitate human trafficking and to me that’s what it is. I havent always been succesful

3) All others - from legitimate agencies to independents that are not a part of organized community. This is where I have done most of my hobbying. They generally don't want to provide references and just go about their business. Luckily I saw Allison in late fall so now I have a reference.

I also believe that most clients don’t use Terb/Cerb. They kept it simple and would go on BP. This is how I started. Maybe with BP gone they might start signing up more.

One last thing. Just because BP is gone doesn’t mean the Fakers/Pimps are gone. Leolist is now full of the same fakers that were on BP.

 

[asuran]

Twitter/Terb handles for the hobby are the way to go.
Or membership type registration a la CMJ, Brass Club system.

Bobbiz kept saying, well someone could have 10 Terb/twitter accounts.
Well if it's a low post account then obviously the provider can ask for other reference. Once you get that first reference, your on your way up. You only need one to start.

When looking at ads we keep hearing members (was bobbiz one of them?) asking the provider to post with a piece of paper with phone# or something. Likewise, provider can ask for other references if she/he thinks your account is too low a post count.
Wasn't bobbiz a proponent of that?
Now on the flip side he is suddenly against verifications? Just a board handle, not your real name buddy.

 

[AmberRose]

Thanks for not blackmailing us simply because we don't have enough wealth for you to want to blackmail us.

You seem to try very hard to project negativity Amber, and I won't even start into your past negative general comments about (specifically white) men. You may be in the wrong industry if so.

Goodness you sure do like to twist words to suit your agenda eh

Also, your ego must be ginormous if you genuinely believe we care enough or you're important enough to blackmail you. Pimps maybe... Regular ol sex workers? Nah sorry, we've got better things to do with our time.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Oh Amber,

Blackmail can be used in many ways and not just for cash. It could be used to suppress comments and negative reviews amongst other issues for sure.

My ginormous ego (you're projecting again) suits me well and matches my shoe size. You'll never get to see my shoes or my generalized low wealth though. I discriminate people based on their words and comments.

If you could please provide the stats for how many men were blackmailed by SPs for 2017, I will provide the stats for how many SPs were killed in 2017 and we will compare notes. Bet you my numbers are higher then yours, but I am sure you already know that.

However, you did say that TERB/Twitter make up a small part of the community and you are right, so please don't assume that because a couple of men come here and agree with you that translates into what happens overall.

There are tons of women working who do get the screening info they require. I am one of them. There are men who don't but there are many who do as well. I have been successful in this business for years requiring the screening info that I do. I have no complaints about my clients because not only does my screening ensure my safety, it ensures that we are actually compatible and will most likely enjoy each other.

To be clear, screening is right on so many levels. Mostly due to safety concerns like not wanting to be murdered but to ensure both parties are having a good time. It works for many. Many more then those who don't screen, IMHO.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Hi Jessica,

It's impossible to prove how many men are currently / or were blackmailed because that's how blackmail works. They are forced to keep quiet 'or else'.

I see that you are very much in favour of prescreening many details about your clients before meeting them to ensure compatibility. I do agree that your safety is very important, and you are free to operate whichever way works best for you.

I also noticed that you require to see reviews about you before they are posted. One of your main reasons is listed as to ensure you don't get too busy "with the increased volume they create in a time when I simply can not handle the amount"

Ironically, I cannot find a negative review about you here either. All positive.

I am sure there are plenty of SPs who are raped and robbed that are not reported in the stats I would find too so I am sure both of our "lack of numbers" would balance each other out but we both know the numbers of voilence against women in this industry is higher then the amount of men being blackmailed.


All my clients have repeated too or at the very least have wanted too but other reasons have not allowed it yet. Screening works very well and not just for safety as I have already admitted. Thank you for proving my point.

As you can see, I am not bullshitting either. Since my signature clearly shows that I don't want increased volume. I am not even accepting new clients at the moment. I don't have enough time. I only recently allowed a couple of reviews when the couple of gentlemen who wrote them, asked to do so. Before I had a NRP. Again due to volume. However, I would not have the power to stop a negative review if someone decided to write one. No one ever has because no one has been unhappy. Not because I am the perfect escort but because I ..... you got it - screen.

I also have no interested in my time or your money being wasted. I don't need your money or any "escorting" money. It pads my retirement, not pay my bills. I do this because it is a great form of paid dating. So I have no problem telling inquiring gentlemen that I am probably not what they are looking for and I will be happy to refer someone else if I can. That includes other SPs in my area with similar body type, age, incall, and with less screening for guys like you who choose not to be screened.

See I have no issue with guys who don't want to be screened. My issue comes from guys acting like the sky is falling when a lady like myself chooses to screen. It seems to me that men take it as a slight or rejection against them or as some diva princess move on the part of the escort. When neither are the case. I don't take offence when a guy says he won't see me because I ask for too much info, but men seem to get their panties bunched when I say I won't see them with a text app.

Just because we advertise ourselves on the public domain does not mean are available to the public. I know that seems off but that is the reality. I am not available to all people. I am not available to women, couples, in duos or to men who use text apps. I am not available to all men.

I get that most escorts are available to more men then I am but that does not negate the fact that 90% of escorts are not available to every single guy either. Plenty screen for age minimums for example. Screening is more then just real names and numbers. Women screen how they feel works for them. It is about safety at a minimum and it is as much more as each individual escort wants it to be.

So gentlemen should respect a ladies screening and booking process. Respecting does not mean you have to give out info you don't feel comfortable giving. But it does mean that you just politely move on and not create a big stink on forums like these. We don't start threads complaining that guys don't want to be screened. This thread wasn't even about screening. It was about websites. It is the guys who bring it here, who complain, who tell us we are wrong for doing it the way we do.

Just like there is a willing-to-be screened client for every guy here who complains, there is another escort who has relaxed screening processes for every one of us who screens. So why are we wasting this thread about websites debating something that needs no debate?

You do you, I will do me and we will both be happy.

Okay so on a board like this maybe suggesting we both "do" ourselves is not right but you know what I mean. LOL

 

[Cigarman16]

Omg. I have lost so much respect fur so many members after reading the posts here. Remarks about Canadian men? People inferring insults from valid commentary (and not aggressive nor insulting commentary I might add). I agree with Happy Time.... I'm out. Enough already. Happy hobbying to ALL. Stay safe everyone.

 

[Dbass34]

Rachel, you got mail...

 

[RachelNicole]

This thread has become convulted mess! I think a lot of good ideas have fallen on deaf ears. Too bad. If we could empathize with each other more I bet we would agree more than disagree. This is not a constructive discussion anymore. Lots of confusion, and misinterpretations. It seems more like a pissing match. And I see a few iron fists masked in velvet gloves

 

[RachelNicole]

HT i deleted my negative comment cuz I wanted to make peace with u by private message which I sent. That one sentence u r debating at nausium is there and untouched. I sent the pm with hopes to stop arguing semantics. I have to learn to take a breath before I post and not get drawn into nonsensical drama. And yes I did agree with u and still don't see what your problem is!!!! I don't dispute. I've been kind and fair to u. I find your continued badmouthing of me ridiculous. You comments on how I feel..u don't know how I feel hun. Not even close. Layoff with your anger. Misdirected. I'm no victim but u r a bully. And who said my quote was directed at u. I guess u thought so..maybe feeling guilty? lol blah blah blah negativity surrounds u. Not a happy time with u lolol and I thought u said u were bored and leaving the thread

 

[RachelNicole]

There you go again.

:frusty:

And R we dancing hun ? Is it really that important to u to have the last word. Why the continued digs. Leave it be hun.move on . I am not your punching bag.

 

[RachelNicole]

Rachel, you got mail...

Ty for the lovely chat and I look fwd to more private messages off of Terb

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Jessica Rain,

How is requiring that your prescreened clients send you their reviews of their experience with you before they are allowed to post it linked to your safety again?

Why do I have to respect your booking / screening process or just move on without commenting on it? This is review board where things like screening or reference checking are discussed. I will speak openly as I see fit and appropriate.

You freely walked into the middle of this thread and what you or I say here opens us up to criticism when we start to criticize others or their comments and opinions. You criticized my comments twice, which is awesome and I support counter opinions, and I responded.

What we say or do is allowed to be criticized, that's how we progress and learn from others outside of our bubble.

I can't appreciate your explanation regarding why you have no negative reviews because you screen your client dates so well. What I was trying to infer was because you hold their personal information hostage, they have no choice and cannot review you honestly or negatively without fear of potential reprisal. That probably wasn't on your sign up form.

In real life verification = blackmail = forced compliance.

I'm really bored of this now, good luck all.

Happy_time,

First, thank you for trying to have a respectful conversation about this. I agree that being in the public light does mean that we are open to criticism and sometimes that criticism can help and teach us. And no, you don't have to respect our process, but I think that men should respect it. By that I mean just what I said, which is - if it doesn't work you, then move on to the next lady. Respecting it does not automatically mean you have to follow it. You don't. So I hope that is now clear.

One thing I feel I have to address is what you "infer" because your posts appears to attempt to state it as fact and it is 100% false. Your personal experiences in this industry have clearly contributed to your opinions regarding screening, which is fine, but to falsely say that I hold information hostage when you don't know me at all, is wrong in my personal opinion. I respectfully and politely explained my position on reviews. I am and always have been honest both here and on my site about my opinions regarding reviews. Regardless, I would never hold a person's information hostage. It is one of those things that just would not enter my head. To be honest, I never even thought of anything like that until you basically falsely accused me of it. As I said, I have no control over negative reviews at all. Clients choose to respect my wishes because I am a true professional and they feel equally safe and secure with me as I do with them. I hope that clears some things up for you and possibly others on this matter.

The main take away I personally think is - both sides, men and women, in this industry have to do what is right for them. For you it is text apps, for me it is not. The wonderful thing about this industry is we can both equally find what we are looking for.