Providers' websites

[Dbass34]

Not too sure where to put this, here or on the 411 section...

So, I just want to put a comment here, to all providers about websites. With what happened to BP and the expansion of all kind of ads sites, things are getting more complicate for the hobbyists when searching for the ideal “partner of a few hours”. Ads are all over the map, each ad site has his pros and his cons, strength or weakness. For sure, most of them were there before BP closed but it will take some time for a clear order to be re-established.

I’m glad to see some of my favorite providers to now have a website or to plan to build one. A website is getting more important these days with the explosion of the advertising sites. Also, in the recent months/years, we saw many debates about fake ads, fake pics, fake booking, annoying questions, un-welcome behaviour, unpleasant comments, freaking texting apps, etc. Websites will reduce it, not erase it for sure, but it will probably reduce a lot of frustration on each side.

A website is easy to build, at a fairly low price, it doesn’t need to be complicate; hobbyist will see in ten minutes most of the info he needs to know about you (who you are, measurements, services, rates, schedule, contact, pictures, netiquettes, etc... put everything you want). If the hobbyist does his due diligence, contacting you should then be more effective for you and for us. Then, the only thing you will need to do is to put your link at several places, on those ads sites, on your twitter, on your signature (here on Terb, Lyla) or where ever you want. Ultimately, contacting you should be more simple (for the most part) only to book an appointment, client already knows what he wants from you.

If you hate texting apps, easy, give us the option of emails for bookings. Websites won’t solve all the problems but it will certainly help. Ladies, if you don’t have a website, you should considerate it. I congratulate all the providers that have a website and encourage those who don’t to build one.

For those who work out of an agency, a spa or a lounge, most of these organisations do have website with info so it is understandable that a provider who work there doesn’t need a website. I just wish that the info on those websites would be accurate (it’s not always the case) and complete.

Cheers

 

[RachelNicole]

Dbass you have made some valid points as usual I would like to comment on two things. From experience emails bookings are the same risk as text apps. So not sure how u see that as better alternative option to text apps? And although I agree with and have recently made a website...i am not sure how this helps circumvent spamming though. I think websites make it easier for the client to get his info..but how does that help us with spamming? Maybe I need more coffee but I am confused lol. Luv to understand what u mean cuz as u know I respect u personally xo. In my opinion things have gone imbalanced for the provider in the last few years. Clients used to introduce themselves more on first contact and I used to often get pics or descriptions of them before they came. But that forthcoming practise seems to have gone wayside?!?!? Now providers r expected to book with a nameless and faceless person with no valid cell. The risk is all in the providers. A client can waste our time to no consequence to themselves. And when we suggest that fellows give out terb or cerb handles or give references we get lambasted with naysayers. I personally do not book unless I get a phone call. But that isn't even an absolute. Spammers r relentless. What is happening is now we providers r banning together, sharing more, and starting to expect more from clients like the good ol days. The risk has to be more balanced between provider and client. Period. It is infeasible for us to run operations safely otherwise. Full anonymity is an unreasonable expectation of clients . Anyhow u know I feel the luv for u Dbass...and although my opinions r strong I am open to new ideas. XoRach

 

[asuran]

Now providers r expected to book with a nameless and faceless person with no valid cell. The risk is all in the providers. A client can waste our time to no consequence to themselves. And when we suggest that fellows give out terb or cerb handles or give references we get lambasted with naysayers.

Always ask for the minimum a terb/lyla handle. If they can not even provide that, then they must be doing something sketchy. There is no roundabout way to explain this.
We use our terb/lyla account as our hobby account, and it is for the purpose of this hobby.

Or ask for their twitter handle. Nowadays legit clients have regular contacts with ladies, whether they are SPs or MAs.

It's also a way for the provider to see how we interact with one another. Heck they can even ask each other about us from our handles.

It's for the safety of the ladies. Anyone who prefers to keep themselves hidden is showing a lack of respect for providers. Would you see any clients that lack this respect?

 

[Alison_xox]

I'm sure 70% (or more) of clients are not on terb. If they are, then they are members with less than 10 posts since they are lurking this place. What good is it to provide a Terb handle with less than 10 posts.

I don't understand why a Terb handle as values. There are less than 100 active members in the Ottawa section lol.

Fist of all ( since it is the topic of this thread : I got a website and it helped me a lot to avoid texting for hours so yes I do suggest to every providers to get one.. I've built my own and it took me a couple of days only.. Easy and very useful..

Bobbiz: Because you asked , I like Terb Handle because it is easy to verify if it is a real person or just a no life that fake book girls in his free time.
Most of the guys that are providing a Terb handle are serious about bookings so I am feeling like I won't waste my time by booking them... Ottawa still have a fake booking issue and that is what I am trying to avoid the most ....

 

[asuran]

I'm sure 70% (or more) of clients are not on terb. If they are, then they are members with less than 10 posts since they are lurking this place. What good is it to provide a Terb handle with less than 10 posts.

I don't understand why a Terb handle as values. There are less than 100 active members in the Ottawa section lol.

Then it is time for providers to recommend these guys to create an account FOR THIS HOBBY.
Either way it's just one of the many ways to verify.
They could use other forms of ID or verification methods.

Terb/social media handle is just one of the easiest, little strings attached and simplest to get if you are a serious 'hobbyist'. Lol

At the back of my mind I just wish the hobby is fully decriminalized but only legit registered agencies/club allowed to exist. And every hobbyist must then be registered with a handle to partake. (By registration, I mean the type similar to CMJ/BC type registration, a nickname plus a username)
Maybe I'm too ideal with this idea.

 

[asuran]

Ali: What good is it to provide a Terb handle with less 10 posts?

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What percentage of hobbyist have a Terb handle?

What percentage of Terb member provide their handles?

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I've never been ask ONCE my Terb handle

All I am saying is, with the current climate. Sesta/fosta it's something that should become norm if it already isn't.
Let's get it growing and help these ladies better screen irregardless of whether the terb handle is 10 posts or 100 posts. Everything starts small and it will grow.

Let's get the ball rolling. If you don't even take that first step you will never achieve any goals. Some goals are easier to meet some are harder, some may never be reached. If you don't even try then chance is zero. You gotta be entrepreneurial, willing to improve, willing to work for it to achieve it.

Someone with 10 posts might have seen a well-known provider and she can vouch for him. Who's to say that won't happen.

You gotta think a little more positive, brother.

 

[asuran]

Hi Rach,

I don't think some of your statements are backed factually, but respect your opinions on them.

- I've never seen anyone "lambasted" here while discussing the sharing terb / cerb / twitter handles... Just real-life / name of your work and phone # at work were both strongly opposed.

- the men are the one's risking breaking the law, as it's legal to sell just not legal to buy... Which is why anominity is crucial unfortunately.

Hence the need to create a Terb/Twitter account for the hobby. An anonymous nickname of some sort that can be recognize by providers.

- we are the consumers with the $ and privilege comes with that. Same way when you hire any service, the seller is to accommodate the buyer in order to profit. Someone else will provide the service the buyer would like if needs cannot be met.

but also remember that provider have the right to deny service to anyone deemed unfit or unable to provide the prerequisites. Two way street.

- Full anonymity (in regards to real life verification) is a must. Terb / twitter no problem. Real phone #'s also are now going away as texting apps work great for both providers and clients.

- Also, your paragraph is mostly about stopping spamming and fake booking, and then finish it off with "for my safety"...

Agree, terb/twitter handles or other social media account for this hobby can help mask the need for real names. Keeps us anonymous while also providing the providers with an insight into our interactions with this hobby.

Things will never go backwards, they move forward with new laws and new technology. We all have to adapt and roll with it and try to respect both sides of the transaction. For as many time wasters as you get, we also have to sift through a sea of fakes so WE don't get robbed or worse.

The fact that buyers are illegal and sellers are not is enough for most to protect their privacy any way possible.

My straight forward opinions only, no meaness or rudeness implied. Cheers.

Anonymous social media accounts for this hobby provides reasonable anonymity. Without a viable option for screening the provider community will not be able to grow. Without the provider community growing we won't have anywhere to hobby.

Always remember, it's a two way street. Providers have the choice not to do deal with us. They can be selective about their clients.

 

[Alison_xox]

Then it is time for providers to recommend these guys to create an account FOR THIS HOBBY.


Terb/social media handle is just one of the easiest, little strings attached and simplest to get if you are a serious 'hobbyist'. Lol

I agree !!!
I do recommend that to the clients without references , it would be way easier ...
I sometimes make an exception and see a client without references to give him a chance to built a name as a new hobbyist , but I am not doing it if I am working alone or if I have a weird feeling ( safety first) ... I am following my guts and so far I've been lucky.. A transfer is mandatory if no references because I am ok to give a chance but have no time for fake booking ... People are usually ok with transfer since I am well established and they can find reccos everywhere, my twitter , website , cerb and Terb .. I won't jeopardize my reputation for a 50$ deposit so they know they can trust me..

Also

As I mentioned in a other thread , I am providing references to all the clients that I have seen before ..
If you are a good client and seen me before , text me and I will provide your reference when you are trying to book a provider .. Easy like that. I am not the only one to provide references . I often communicate with other providers in order to book a new client.

As you probably noticed lately , providers are working as a team .. Even more since bp is gone..
References , blacklist , ways to advertise etc...
I think it will help both providers and hobbyist to unite ...

 

[Blackpanther]

Hi Rach,

I don't think some of your statements are backed factually, but respect your opinions on them.

- I've never seen anyone "lambasted" here while discussing the sharing terb / cerb / twitter handles... Just real-life / name of your work and phone # at work were both strongly opposed.

- the men are the one's risking breaking the law, as it's legal to sell just not legal to buy... Which is why anominity is crucial unfortunately.

- we are the consumers with the $ and privilege comes with that. Same way when you hire any service, the seller is to accommodate the buyer in order to profit. Someone else will provide the service the buyer would like if needs cannot be met.

- Full anonymity (in regards to real life verification) is a must. Terb / twitter no problem. Real phone #'s also are now going away as texting apps work great for both providers and clients.

- Also, your paragraph is mostly about stopping spamming and fake booking, and then finish it off with "for my safety"...

Things will never go backwards, they move forward with new laws and new technology. We all have to adapt and roll with it and try to respect both sides of the transaction. For as many time wasters as you get, we also have to sift through a sea of fakes so WE don't get robbed or worse.

The fact that buyers are illegal and sellers are not is enough for most to protect their privacy any way possible.

My straight forward opinions only, no meaness or rudeness implied. Cheers.

You've nailed it. One thing to add is that most of the SPs in this business don't even have a handle on any review sites themselves. It's only a few that actually care enough to promote themselves. And most of the ones that don't have an account are the fakes...I'm positive they get by without much effort. The reason being is that many guys still book them!

Until this stops, the fakes will continue to be fakes, unfortunately.

 

[RachelNicole]

Happy time my comments r my opinion and factual to me from my personal experience. I am not sure why u r challenging me? I said two things to dbass and was looking to him for a fruitful discussion only. I am only trying to have a constructive debate on websites. Extending the value of websites as a way to reduce spam seemed a bit of a reach was all. So to reiterate: 1. I don't believe websites reduce SPAMMERS in the big picture. It is a show of provider authenticity but I wasn't sure what he meant about websites helping with what I consider spam...fake booking and other negative booking issues that stem from text apps. 2. Emails r not a feasible alternative to text app. i actually see the two as the same spam risk. Websites help us to attract better clients yes but it doesn't equate to any true reduction in spam. SPAM CAN ONLY BE CONTROLLED BY BETTER SCREENING and STRONGER BOOKING PRACTICES.

Overall i dont understand what exactly u are upset with me but I'll try to address each of your points.
1. Lambasted may have been a strong debatable word..but regardless, I have factually seen a lot of odd resistance to handles and references etc. See earlier in this thread as an example with bobbiz and asurans discussion. Btw Asuran..good on u for being so supportive
2. Your consumer comment I agree with but keep in mind it goes both ways. An established provider like myself might priority book with those who r the most forthcoming sincere and genuine.
3. I agree and I want full anonymity in real life too..u may have misunderstood me. So let me try again. I am talking about an offer /show of authenticity. I think fellas should be willing to phone call or give references or provide a member handle as a show of good faith..butright now it is not the norm to be as forthcoming as once was!! Personally, I haven't asked for handles yet but I give mine out and I have a website all I ask for is a phone call to confirm booking I am just advocating that references deposits and terb handles r ok to ask for too we just need to weed threw the spam to the good guys! ...help us find u

4.I agree things can't go backwards. My only point was a few years ago clients were more voluntarily forthcoming with real cells and how they introduced themselves upon booking. Can't go back but can aspire for things to be better like it was beforebut in a different way. Because it isn't working as is. So providers r moving towards phone calls, references, deposits, and member handles to book and as an aside I sympathize with u that clients face the same fakers. Big hugs here and u have my support doing what u need to do to feel safe providers need to do the same I think we could agree to disagree if u want no matter to me. But I hope u try to empathizing both sides not just yours. Peace out Rach

 

[AmberRose]

I'll admit I skimmed through most of the comments here, but I'm just dropping in to comment that pretty soon with SESTA/FOSTA most of our websites may be taken down
Wix is already removing sites and I believe a few other hosts have shut down entirely or are shutting down providers sites, so while having a website is great, a lot of providers are panicking on how to do that on a space that won't potentially remove their site or cause them further issues.

Also to the gentlemen above who said the clients are taking the most risk since buying is illegal, two things: 1) We are also at risk with the law if you read into it fully, so it's incorrect to assume clients are only at risk because buying is illegal. 2) If you genuinely believe clients are taking the most risk, you need a serious reality check. Do you know how many sex workers have gone missing, were assaulted or have been found murdered within the last week and a half since SESTA/FOSTA? Even before then, we are and always will be in more risk than any client because we are inviting strangers into our home or incall who could literally be there with the sole intent to kill us and because you all insist on being anonymous we have nothing on the client if we're raped, robbed, assaulted or murdered.

Clients in the US have no issues usually providing full employment info, photos of their ID, references, etc..but for some reason, Canadian men believe they're very special and important and must protect their info at all costs.

Reality check #2: most of us care more about staying safe, getting paid, and going about our usual lives than blackmailing or using a clients info. Our reputations would be destroyed if we did anything with a clients info, and we care more about ourselves and our jobs and reputation than you, sorry.

Literally even the prime minister is not important enough to any of us to care, we only want your info to make sure you aren't going to murder us, and if you do, that you can be found.

 

[Blackpanther]

Would it be out of this world to think a Provider (not you reading this, but "a" Provider in Ottawa) could "lose it" for ANY reasons and decided to blackmail 20-100 married men in Ottawa?

That can be a possibility. I can also see any guy using an established member's terb handle to falsely book an appointment. Any random joe can be like "hey Im blackpanther from terb, please book me."

 

[RachelNicole]

That can be a possibility. I can also see any guy using an established member's terb handle to falsely book an appointment. Any random joe can be like "hey Im blackpanther from terb, please book me."

For every loophole there is a fix...in this case a pm from provider to client on terb or cerb would rectify I would think. It is a legitimate concern but I think a small one in the big picture. Sharing handles openly is a great way for both sides to communicate authenticity. And can only reduce chances of crazy scenarios if we communicate better u know what I think is a bigger problem is members with more than one account...that is something I would like terb to screen for regularly if they don't already.

 

[RachelNicole]

I'll admit I skimmed through most of the comments here, but I'm just dropping in to comment that pretty soon with SESTA/FOSTA most of our websites may be taken down
Wix is already removing sites and I believe a few other hosts have shut down entirely or are shutting down providers sites, so while having a website is great, a lot of providers are panicking on how to do that on a space that won't potentially remove their site or cause them further issues.

Also to the gentlemen above who said the clients are taking the most risk since buying is illegal, two things: 1) We are also at risk with the law if you read into it fully, so it's incorrect to assume clients are only at risk because buying is illegal. 2) If you genuinely believe clients are taking the most risk, you need a serious reality check. Do you know how many sex workers have gone missing, were assaulted or have been found murdered within the last week and a half since SESTA/FOSTA? Even before then, we are and always will be in more risk than any client because we are inviting strangers into our home or incall who could literally be there with the sole intent to kill us and because you all insist on being anonymous we have nothing on the client if we're raped, robbed, assaulted or murdered.

Clients in the US have no issues usually providing full employment info, photos of their ID, references, etc..but for some reason, Canadian men believe they're very special and important and must protect their info at all costs.

Reality check #2: most of us care more about staying safe, getting paid, and going about our usual lives than blackmailing or using a clients info. Our reputations would be destroyed if we did anything with a clients info, and we care more about ourselves and our jobs and reputation than you, sorry.

Literally even the prime minister is not important enough to any of us to care, we only want your info to make sure you aren't going to murder us, and if you do, that you can be found.

YES!!!! Brutally true and bluntly beautiful

 

[RachelNicole]

Hence the need to create a Terb/Twitter account for the hobby. An anonymous nickname of some sort that can be recognize by providers.

but also remember that provider have the right to deny service to anyone deemed unfit or unable to provide the prerequisites. Two way street.


Agree, terb/twitter handles or other social media account for this hobby can help mask the need for real names. Keeps us anonymous while also providing the providers with an insight into our interactions with this hobby.

Anonymous social media accounts for this hobby provides reasonable anonymity. Without a viable option for screening the provider community will not be able to grow. Without the provider community growing we won't have anywhere to hobby.

Always remember, it's a two way street. Providers have the choice not to do deal with us. They can be selective about their clients.

A good note for all to sleep on

 

[asuran]

Would it be out of this world to think a Provider (not you reading this, but "a" Provider in Ottawa) could "lose it" for ANY reasons and decided to blackmail 20-100 married men in Ottawa?

This question is like asking if one day on the road "a" random driver would "lose it" and start running people over. Yeah, let's never go outside anymore! Yup stay home is the safest!
If you are afraid to take the minimum risk, stop hobbying! It's not for you.

There are always positives and negatives to pretty much everything. The thing is will you try to make it better or are you just gonna throw water over it? What type of person, what type of character are you?

That can be a possibility. I can also see any guy using an established member's terb handle to falsely book an appointment. Any random joe can be like "hey Im blackpanther from terb, please book me."

Use twitter/terb to send a DM and verify.
Smart and/or experienced providers know what to do. They got it cover, you just got to follow the guidelines.

Stop being negative people and work to create a viable and safe environment for these ladies. All it takes is to follow the guidelines the ladies give you.
Some people will always complain or go against you. Only the ones willing to try, willing to innovate, improves.

 

[carlos12345]

Hi Rach,

I don't think some of your statements are backed factually, but respect your opinions on them.

- I've never seen anyone "lambasted" here while discussing the sharing terb / cerb / twitter handles... Just real-life / name of your work and phone # at work were both strongly opposed.

- the men are the one's risking breaking the law, as it's legal to sell just not legal to buy... Which is why anominity is crucial unfortunately.

- we are the consumers with the $ and privilege comes with that. Same way when you hire any service, the seller is to accommodate the buyer in order to profit. Someone else will provide the service the buyer would like if needs cannot be met.

- Full anonymity (in regards to real life verification) is a must. Terb / twitter no problem. Real phone #'s also are now going away as texting apps work great for both providers and clients.

- Also, your paragraph is mostly about stopping spamming and fake booking, and then finish it off with "for my safety"...

Things will never go backwards, they move forward with new laws and new technology. We all have to adapt and roll with it and try to respect both sides of the transaction. For as many time wasters as you get, we also have to sift through a sea of fakes so WE don't get robbed or worse.

The fact that buyers are illegal and sellers are not is enough for most to protect their privacy any way possible.

My straight forward opinions only, no meaness or rudeness implied. Cheers.

Very well put, I agree 100%!!

 

[AmberRose]

No, but I would really like to see some statistics on it, it would be interesting to see if the number went up or down... Do you actually know the answer in all honesty? Lots of providers probably left the industry or joined agencies or spas... I had mentioned previously that the Freakonomics from the BP shutdown could be pretty interesting.

I get the impression you're making a joke out of my point about being murdered. It's not a joke, sex workers are killed regularly and targeted a lot by people meaning to do harm since they believe we're disposable and don't have family or friends who would care or look for us.

And yes, so far we know of ten still missing, three have been murdered, one committed suicide because of everything happening, and one is in ICU after being attacked.

This isn't funny, this is our reality and our lives and why we genuinely don't care who you are or what you do for a living, but only care to check you don't have a history of assaulting workers or robbing them or anything along those lines. Which happens more than you think. It's why having some information, even as small as a legit phone number, can mean the world when you can check blacklists with that info. When men want to remain anonymous, it means we have to rely entirely on intuition, and hope that's going to work and we'll be okay.

Many of us love this work, or it's necessary because other employment isn't an option, but it carries a huge risk since when bills like SESTA/FOSTA pass and we lose essential tools like backpage, the people who want to target and harm see an opportunity because sex workers end up taking more risks and getting more desperate.

My point is just to rethink how a lot of your perceive things to be in this business. Yes there is absolutely some providers out there who can go off the rails and use your info in a bad way, which can happen outside of this industry in general, but that's why doing your research and seeing people with solid reputations and reviews or history in the industry is good, because most of us who are in this as our full time job have no interest in using your info unless our well being is at risk and its necessary, since we know we can ruin our reputation and potential to make money and survive if we did something stupid with a clients info.

Also if anyone really thinks someone would try blackmailing a bunch of clients to make money should probably understand that most clients in Ottawa and other cities are working class and not rich, and we know this, so we know that really isn't likely to work out as a get rich quick scheme ;P

 

[Dbass34]

Wow... ok!!! I wasn't expecting to see 24 replies in 24 hours... lots of good points here, on both sides of the galaxy, another demonstration that ladies come from Venus and men come from Mars. I luv it.

Too many things to comments at the same time, too many good points to argue with. So I won't comment much cause I read many points that I support and I wouldn't say it better.

The only thing I will say to RachelNicole, I will provide you clarifications, via PM, to your first reply, later tonight, or tomorrow morning. The thread had evolved in another direction of my initial intention (that's awesome), but I will take time to reply to you, point per point, cause you asked for it, in your reply to Happy_time. Let's have that "fruitful discussion"...

Have a wonderful day, all.

 

[RachelNicole]

Goodmorning happy time I asked u why u were upset with me because I didn't understand the adversarial tone I perceived in your original note to me or where you were coming from. I felt u may have misunderstood me so I reclarified for u my message to dbass. I was offering my thoughts and tried to find common ground with u. And I was super nice to u and took my time to answer u kindly. I didn't say only dbass could answer!!!of course u can answer too. I like constructive debates. Have a great and safe day