Despite the MSM's claims that Trump's fraud allegations are baseless, thousands are now staging protests against the Dems.
Protest Rallies Begin
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This is smart politics. The least it will accomplish is to keep the Georgia runoffs clean and to motivate Georgia GOP voters who will see themselves as the vanguard who can salvage the election.
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Hilarious as Republican States like Georgia and Arizona have confirmed that there is 100% no voter fraud. No wonder why they lost their Court battles in Georgia and Michigan.
Such sore losers are this dude called Trump and his base!!
Such sore losers are this dude called Trump and his base!!
Of course they are. There was never a need for the allegations to be based in fact to stage a protest.
Delegitimizing the elections is bad for the country overall.
The question of whether it is good politics is more up in the air. If you are saying the whole thing is a fraud, then why should they turn out to vote for the special election since it is useless?
It may help draw focus to Georgia or it may draw focus away from Georgia for the GOP base, which will be busy focusing on this other nonsense in a bunch of other states.
I don't know. We will probably see in a couple of weeks which way it actually goes. I can see the arguments for both effects and really don't know which one seems more likely.
It's a tight contest which is more destructive: 1) contesting election results without sufficient cause, or 2) resisting, as a concept, the determination of election disputes by the courts.
If I have to pick one, I'd say 2) is worse. The social disruption of 1) is completely cured by a court decision dismissing the suit. By contrast, 2) leads, without exception, to public unrest.
Trump was claiming fraud in February...he’s had this planned for awhile.
Let them protest...they’ll just look stupid and show the rest of country how proper behaviour usually wins out.
Is it really possible you don't understand that the difference in 2020 is the adoption of mail-in balloting in the key swing states this time (a process with inherently more opportunity for error/fraud), and allegations of voting/tabulating irregularities in these states (including extraordinary actions by the Governor in Pennsylvania to amend voting rules)? You should have no doubt the Democrats would have challenged irregularities in 2016 if they had anything to go on.
In all likelihood, in 2016 there were people in Pennsylvania trying to help the Democrats win. However they failed, so their conduct was never investigated. Probably helped a lot this time that the Democrat votes could be counted after all the Republican votes were already in. Easier to know the number that was needed.
The public will accept the verdict of SCOTUS on these issues, and really no one else, no matter how they rule (even if they decide not to rule). That's the hard truth of the situation. Claiming virtue means nothing.
C’mon, you think Trump supporters will accept a SCOTUS decision? I don’t think these decisions will make it that far, the state court will squash them.
Yes, of course Trump supporters will accept a SCOTUS decision. They've been told that the membership of that court is actually capable of being fair to conservatives.
I agree that lower courts are highly likely to dismiss claims of the Trump campaign at first instance, whether those claims have merit or not. There's a much higher likelihood that in the states that are in greatest play Democratshe are overrepresented on the bench, but even Republican appointees of Bush are most likely of the old school of "don't ask me to look into an election - nothing to see here". It's so predictable, it would be better for the country if the campaigns agreed to state their cases to the lower courts in a perfunctory way, get their dismissals, and move more quickly to seeking leave from SCOTUS. But they won't. The Dems don't trust SCOTUS for the same reasons I say Trump voters do trust them.
No one has been stopping him bringing the cases to the courts.
He has and they have been so far laughed out of court as garbage.
You and I both know that this isn't about actual legitimate complaints or court filings, this is about creating a narrative politically, like you said.
You're right. We should investigate the Republicans to see how much voter fraud they did. Just because they failed doesn't mean it isn't serious.
Which is why Trump lost.
And if it decides against them it will be proof of betrayal by the deep state.
Some people will accept it, sure, but there is a large core that won't.
Why? The lower courts are heavily packed by Trump appointees. He has bragged about this repeatedly.
We agree that SCOTUS is explicitly political and no one expects them to decide things based on legal merit. Interesting. That isn't something I thought you would admit.
Here's a comprehensive list of election litigation thus far: https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/ The Trump campaign has obtained some relief in at least 2 cases (Penn observers allowed closer to election workers doing the tally, Penn must segregate ballots received after polls closed), has had a number of applications dismissed, but most are still pending. I wouldn't describe the litigation in the terms that you do. There haven't been any "scathing" judicial decisions yet. Mostly, cases have been dismissed based upon insufficient evidence, not that there was no arguable legal theory to support the suit. Of course, since many of the suits are complaining about being denied access to oversight of the process, you have to ask yourself how meaningful dismissals based on a lack of evidence are.
I'm not a Trump insider, so I have no idea just how much good faith or bad faith there is in the legitimacy of the complaints.
My comment about protesting being good politics is independent of whether the legal claims will succeed or have merit.
Of course, no one has barred him from pursuing his complaints. I was commenting about the politics of discouraging or trying to intimidate him out of pursuing his complaints, which many media outlets and some politicians have been trying to do.
