All this moaning and bitching on TERB is fine and dandy but how many elected representives actually log in here? Do what I did. I called my MP (you know what I mean) and MPP and said that prostitution is a moral and not a legal issue (just like adultry, pre-marital sex and "Greek sex"). Let's get government and the lawyers out of our sex lives. There are already laws on underage and human trafficking.
Prostitution Appeal to Be Heard Monday
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Adultery or being homosexual are not vocations. They are a whole different kettle of fish.
And I don't think it has ever been illegal to simply "be" homosexual.
Theoretically they could, but they'd face an incredible amount of political backlash. With prostitution the backlash would probably be less, and considering the conservatives had an election win just a few months ago it could be up to 4.5 years before they're at the polls again. By then any backlash over an outright prostitution ban would probably have died down.
Absolutely right. In various times and places sodomy has been illegal. But the state of being "homosexual" has never been illegal in Canada.
what are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law#Canada
Before 1859, Canada relied on British law to prosecute sodomy. In 1859, Canada repatriated its buggery law in the Consolidated Statutes of Canada as an offense punishable by death. Buggery remained punishable by death until 1869. A broader law targeting all homosexual male sexual activity ("gross indecency") was passed in 1892, as part of a larger update to the criminal law. Changes to the criminal code in 1948 and 1961 were used to brand gay men as "criminal sexual psychopaths" and "dangerous sexual offenders." These labels provided for indeterminate prison sentences. Most famously, George Klippert, a homosexual, was labelled a dangerous sexual offender and sentenced to life in prison, a sentence confirmed by the Supreme Court of Canada. He was released in 1971.
That it was the act i.e. sodomy that was the crime. It didn't matter whether you were gay, straight or in between it was the act that was the criminal offense not your sexual identification.
Being a traitor presumably was never an offence absent act of treason. Neither is being a paedophile absent fucking children. What kind of a meaningless argument is that?
How is outlawing prostitution really different from outlawing homosexuality? if anything, homosexuality should be easier to outlaw because used to be illegal so it's merely return to a status quo.
Yes and you are clearly missing the point since you actually have it dead bang by what you wrote.
It isn't the thought of treason it is the act. It isn't having "bad feelings regarding children" it is acting out on the thought.
Under the our Anglo-American-Canadian-Australian etc. . . system of law we don't try you for having impure thoughts without you taking any action in relation to those thoughts. For instance it is not thinking to yourself there is a lot of money in a bank I bet I could get away with robbing a bank. It is talking to others about robbing the bank or planning to rob the bank or actually robbing the bank.
this is how the argument started:
Originally Posted by rld
I don't see any constitutional bar to a flat out ban on prostitution.
This is scary. Does that mean our government can also make adultry illegal? What about making homos illegal again?
in context, distinguishing "making homos illegal" from "making sodomy illegal" is nothing but muddying the water. The point is simply that both sodomy and prostitution are legal now even though somewhere sometime they were not or are not.
Just how would we be assured that you wigglee were a) qualified, by age, citizenship and place of residence, to vote and b) the one doing the voting in wigglee's name and not some imposter?
On the internet no one knows you're a dog.
Article in Thursday's Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/justice-minister-backed-brothels-lawyer/article2061799/
CBC had a segment on the radio the other day basically championing the nordic model, decriminalizing the women, criminalizing the men. If the law is struck down my bet is that's what the government will do. I can't see a conservative government either leaving it be, or opting for full decriminalization. Since the problem with the current law is that it endangers the women criminalizing only the customers would seem to avoid the legal problems that (may) make the current law unconstitutional. At the same time.. that will suck.
The polls latest show most people would like to see it legalized. I think they are hoping that the courts make the problem go away. I don't think even with a majority, they want to get involved. I think Harper has already indicated to the far right wing that he wants a stable uncontroversial government that will out live the 5 year mandate. I'm guessing that he hopes the government will be in summer recess when the decision is made.
The Conservatives were elected by the 40% of the population that probably does not want to see it decriminalized. I really don't see opposition parties positioning themselves as champions of prostitution in the next election either. I think you're right that a majority of Canadians probably would like to see it legalized--but I also think it is not a high profile issue for those people either. In other words, the majority probably would like to see it decriminalized but don't care very much one way or the other. Meanwhile the Conservatives can throw this to their core base of supporters as evidence that they ARE making some progress on their social agenda, all the while scrupulously avoiding the hot button issues like abortion and gay marriage.
if agency owners can live with an idea that they provide companionship only, then we johns can live with it too I suppose
First, I don't think this is going to happen. Second, even if so I doubt it will much effect escorts (e.g. independents and agencies)
How long do you think she is going to last with that business model. Or do you think that Canada will now have "jack booted thugs" come to shut down TERB, MERB, PERB as well?
