propeer SP-client etiquette

[LadyTY2Uall]

I would hate to think you passionately dislike your clientèle and what you do and are in it because you have to

That would be wrong

That would be sad

The Ladies that I know personally, and myself included, do this because we genuinely enjoy men, sex and paying our bills. We have fun and take pride in what we do. All I am saying is that once in a while we run into a less than agreeable person whose ego makes our hackles rise and the claws come out.

 

[massman]

The Ladies that I know personally, and myself included, do this because we genuinely enjoy men, sex and paying our bills. We have fun and take pride in what we do. All I am saying is that once in a while we run into a less than agreeable person whose ego makes our hackles rise and the claws come out.

Great summary of the thread so far. With the girls I see, I think this is pretty much true.

 

[letsn0twastetime]

There are several things related to prostitution that are illegal in Canada, but prostitution itself is not illegal.

Incall is illegal, it is illegal to either "keep" or be "found in" a place that is commonly resorted to for prostitution (or gambling). The exchange of money still won't factor into the charge, though, as the charge is being there not engaging in prostitution yourself. The police would first establish that it's being used for prostitution. Then they would arrest you for being there. Whether you engaged in prostitution yourself is irrelevant--it's the place itself that is illegal.

Public solicitation is another one that is illegal, so you cannot flag someone down on the street--streetwalking is illegal. Similarly solicitation in a hotel bar or other public place.

Outcall violates none of the things that are illegal, so it's legal.

The incall law is rarely enforced unless there's something worse going on--like underage prostitution, abuse, or human trafficking. The laws against solicitation in public are frequently enforced via sweeps.

You will note the distinct lack of threads on terb of people who have been arrested and are looking for legal advice--it's simply rare.

Pretty insightful ... thanks! Do you know anything about 'entrapment', sorry I know we're getting off topic. I was just wondering in case an officer ever went undercover as a SP to bust someone. I recall from my old BBS days (yes I'm dating myself) one of the questions in the questionaire sign up was full disclosure of being related to law enforcement or a cop of oneself before being allowed on the site. And therefore if you answered untruthfully it would be considered entrapment.

 

[fuji]

I was just wondering in case an officer ever went undercover as a SP to bust someone.

They can and do use undercovers to bust people for street prostitution, where the crime is "communicating for the purpose". They do "john sweeps", having female undercovers pose as street walkers, every now and then.

For incalls it is not possible for them to run a sting operation: The crime is being in an incall. Their fake incall would be a fake incall. It is not a crime to be in a fake incall and also not a crime to offer money for sex, so they would have nothing to charge you with! However they could send undercover officers to a REAL incall posing as customers to find out what is on the menu, and then having proven it's prostitution, come back later and bust the place arresting everyone found inside. That's not a sting though.

Like I said, though, they have to date not gone after incalls unless they had reason to believe there were underage or trafficked or abused women there, not in Toronto. In York Region they have gone after massage parlours sometimes.

 

[massman]

^ he speaks the truth. Good summarization of the legal status of the sex biz in Canada.

 

[doggee_01]

For example:
"Hi, I am tall, built, hot and hung....how much for me?" Best answer? "I charge by the inch"

well in that case i think i better insist on getting measured BEFORE i get excited lol

 

[elmo]

Many of us have pet peeves about our jobs, should we all go on UI? Yhis is a tough business and requires a thick skin.

 

[Casey.xox]

Many of us have pet peeves about our jobs, should we all go on UI? Yhis is a tough business and requires a thick skin.

You were the one that said maybe I should find another job because of me complaining about my pet peeves LOL

Unlike normal jobs I can't complain about work on a bad day to family,friends , or co-workers (I'm independent) which is why I came on here to vent and find out pet peeves from BOTH sides, client and SP.
And I do have a tough skin. Most girls will know in the first month whether they're cut out for this line of work and I'm going on 8 months now and doing pretty well for myself so I am going to stick with what I'm doing thank you

 

[Rockslinger]

which is why I came on here to vent

Vent away. I love my job too. Actually, I love even having a job. In my job, I deal with internal people, external suppliers, external customers and government bodies so I get crap from all 4 sides.

 

[letsn0twastetime]

They can and do use undercovers to bust people for street prostitution, where the crime is "communicating for the purpose". They do "john sweeps", having female undercovers pose as street walkers, every now and then.

For incalls it is not possible for them to run a sting operation: The crime is being in an incall. Their fake incall would be a fake incall. It is not a crime to be in a fake incall and also not a crime to offer money for sex, so they would have nothing to charge you with! However they could send undercover officers to a REAL incall posing as customers to find out what is on the menu, and then having proven it's prostitution, come back later and bust the place arresting everyone found inside. That's not a sting though.

Like I said, though, they have to date not gone after incalls unless they had reason to believe there were underage or trafficked or abused women there, not in Toronto. In York Region they have gone after massage parlours sometimes.

Perfect thanks for setting me straight. I do recall a place in Richmond Hill called Fantasia that got busted back in the day, I'm pretty sure that was a massage parlour with some of the massagist doing tricks so you're right that's probably why they were busted. Interesting...

 

[Libra]

I would hate to think you passionately dislike your clientèle and what you do and are in it because you have to

That would be wrong

That would be sad

I am pretty sure this particular Lady loves her job.

But who likes really arrogant egomaniacal people...only themselves.

 

[milehigh]

Too bad some people are the way they are. The way I see it, most of the girls are real sweethearts. To have a great session with a lady that looks like she should be in a magazine is sometimes too good to be true.

Haggling is uncomfortable, and can be demeaning. You should be able to find who you want at a price you want. You should also be able to find the services you want. Everyone has a comfort zone, so rather than making someone uncomfortable doing what they do not want to do, find instead someone offering that service.

It is kind of embarrassing and uncomforable to be haggling over price. The price is listed, if you do not like it move on to one in your zone.

I can really sympathize with the ladies - have some small biz on the side & some customers want to haggle down so much that you would be doing a day of work to cover your costs only to keep them happy. Amazing how many of those there are. I had one lady in particular who had all week to book a job, but would wait till Friday evening to book for a same night job - like we don't have plans or a life or anything.

The other thing I see is lots of disrespect. These are beautiful women, not commodities, or whores. I suppose I believe strongly in the treat people how you want to be treated belief.

If the prices are clear, they are what they are, and I am happy with this, because I can make an informed decision, based on service as well. (B&S and Up-Sells are bad, bad).


But to show up, act rude, make bad comments about the girl's looks, and haggle over cash must make it a really uncomfortable experience for the ladies.

 

[GG2]

SPs please don't defecate in my mouth unless I specifically ask for it, which I do, occassionally.

 

[Blue-Spheroid]

i do recall a place in richmond hill called fantasia that got busted back in the day, i'm pretty sure that was a massage parlour with some of the massagist doing tricks so you're right that's probably why they were busted. Interesting...

lol.

 

[Hangman]

They can and do use undercovers to bust people for street prostitution, where the crime is "communicating for the purpose". They do "john sweeps", having female undercovers pose as street walkers, every now and then.

For incalls it is not possible for them to run a sting operation: The crime is being in an incall. Their fake incall would be a fake incall. It is not a crime to be in a fake incall and also not a crime to offer money for sex, so they would have nothing to charge you with! However they could send undercover officers to a REAL incall posing as customers to find out what is on the menu, and then having proven it's prostitution, come back later and bust the place arresting everyone found inside. That's not a sting though.

Like I said, though, they have to date not gone after incalls unless they had reason to believe there were underage or trafficked or abused women there, not in Toronto. In York Region they have gone after massage parlours sometimes.

That's a very interesting point but I wonder how much weight it would carry in an actual defense. It's illegal for me to buy baggies of icing sugar if I think i'm buying drugs, so I wonder if being found in a fake incall that I think is real would have the same result.

 

[massman]

That's a very interesting point but I wonder how much weight it would carry in an actual defense. It's illegal for me to buy baggies of icing sugar if I think i'm buying drugs, so I wonder if being found in a fake incall that I think is real would have the same result.

But the offense is actually being in a place that is habitually used for prostitution. If it is a fake incall, it is not by definitio n a bawdy houuse.
Plus such a sting would be a total waste of time, when it would be much easier to walk into a real bawdy house and bust everyone there. Which they rarely do anyway.

 

[Rockslinger]

there will be the one who thinks he is doing us a favour by gracing us with his gorgeous hung self.

Guys with big cocks are accustomed to being pampered. First, they were their mother's favourite and got breast fed first because, well, because big cock. Then they were their teachers' favourite because, well, because big cock. Then they were their bosses favourite because big cock. See, it's right on their resume "BIG COCK". Did you know that 197% of CEO's of the Fortune 500 companies have big cocks? Meanwhile, the other 99% of us men do the best we can with what we have. We have to rely on intelligence, hard work, sensitivity, personality, charm, etc.

 

[GG2]

I really don't understand how guys can say something like "I'm really hot and I only have 100, but you'll really like me. you don't know who you're missing out on" to SPs who do this for WORK (vs giving it out for free) and get sex all day..... *shrug*

Because sometimes it works. If you would be willing to have sex with a guy for free because he is physically attractive and has a compatible personality, then you just might give him a break when the same guy is prepared to pay for the same services. The YMMV human factor of this business works in more ways than one.

 

[MissCroft]

I really don't understand how guys can say something like "I'm really hot and I only have 100, but you'll really like me. you don't know who you're missing out on" to SPs who do this for WORK (vs giving it out for free) and get sex all day..... *shrug*

Yep. It may sound arrogant but I've dated men in 'real life' who were gorgeous. When a potential client says something like "I'm really good looking so you should give me a discount" etc. Like they're doing me a favour......I actually find it laughable. Sounds mean but it's true.

 

[BackToTheHobby]

What you are describing is "bait and switch". This is a deceptive business tactic, and I would bail if someone up their advertised price when I show up.

As for the "bargaining" show a little class boys. If you know the price, and can't afford it, don't bother booking. You know what I'd love to drive a Porsche to work every day. But I don't go to the dealer, test drive it, and then expect to pay Toyota prices. Even more ridiculous is the amount that most of these guys nickel and dime for is less than they spend at timmies in a week. If you think a girls rates are too high, book someone cheaper. There are plenty of options in the hobby from 50-500 dollars. Choose what suits your budget.

I've been "hobbying" now for what? 20 years? Longer? (Actually, if you count rub-and-tugs, 26 years... I was 16 at the time! :Eek.

I'm not a prolific poster, either here or (formerly) PERB, but this thread caught my attention. I think it's a great topic.

I've been fortunate: in all the times been with an lady, I've never had to a) deal with a B&S on price; b) had to dispute either price or menu items; c) deal with a dispute as to either her or my demeanor during or after a session.

I think I've been lucky, but as they say, luck is the residue of preparation: I'm as careful choosing a partner as SP's are in choosing clients. I do my research; I check the boards for recommendations; I don't seek out ladies that don't offer services that I'm interested in. I'm as careful as possible. I know that, in most cases, the lady on the other end of the phone/text/email is just as careful in choosing whom she meets. There are risks at both ends, but being respectful, cautious and above-all diligent in your choice of partner means that things like the above just won't happen. It's not only sane... it's unnecessary!

It's been a while now, and I'm just back in Hogtown again, but I fully intend on visiting someone soon. Be sure it will be someone from a suitable venue, with good recommendations, good reviews, and a menu of services that suits my desires. If those rules are followed, I believe, the outcome in almost all cases will be of benefit for everybody involved.