Prominent conservatives issue 72 Page report rebutting Trump election claims

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A substantial number of right wingers on this Board were convinced that the elections were "STOLEN" and the "TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED". Their cult leader still stands by it, but what is unprecedented are the numerous Republicans now coming out with this 72 Page Report to rebuff these huge Trump lies. ROTFLMAO!!

A group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, issued a 72-page report on Thursday categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trumpand his supporters over the 2020 election results.

The report, “LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election,” looked at more than 60 court cases Trump and his supporters filed and lost in six key battleground states. It reached the “unequivocal” conclusion that the former Republican president’s claims were unsupportable – which Trump’s own Department of Homeland Security as well as election officials nationwide debunked days after the 2020 election.

The report was released as the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol has been holding public hearings that have connected Trump’s involvement in efforts to overturn the 2020 election to the attack that disrupted Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s victory. Trump is considering an early 2024 presidential run announcement, CNN has previously reported.

“There is absolutely no evidence of fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election on the magnitude necessary to shift the result in any state, let alone the nation as a whole. In fact, there was no fraud that changed the outcome in even a single precinct,” the report says.

The report is signed by retired federal appeals court judges Thomas B. Griffith, J. Michael Luttig and Michael W. McConnell, former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, former US Sens. John Danforth and Gordon H. Smith, longtime Republican election lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg and veteran Republican congressional chief of staff David Hoppe. Several of them are longtime Trump critics.

“Even now, twenty months after the election, a period in which Trump’s supporters have been energetically scouring every nook and cranny for proof that the election was stolen, they come up empty. Claims are made, trumpeted in sympathetic media, and accepted as truthful by many patriotic Americans. But on objective examination they have fallen short, every time,” the report says.

The report warns that it’s “wrong, and bad for our country, for people to propagate baseless claims that President Biden’s election was not legitimate.”

It delved into a detailed examination of each case brought by Trump and his supporters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump and his backers alleged fraud, irregularities and procedural deficiencies in their challenges in court.

Trump and his allies lost nearly all the more than 60 cases they brought challenging the 2020 election results, the report noted. Twenty were dismissed before a hearing on the merits, 14 were dropped by Trump and his supporters, and 30 included a hearing on the merits, it found.

The group of conservatives argued that Trump and his supporters had “an obligation to recognize that the election debate was over.”

“Questions of election legality must be resolved dispassionately in courts of law, not through rallies and demonstrations—and most emphatically, not by applying political pressure and threats to induce Congress to ignore its constitutional duty and the electoral outcome for which the people voted, and which the legal processes of the affected states had examined and confirmed,” the report says.

The group urged “fellow conservatives to cease obsessing over the results of the 2020 election, and to focus instead on presenting candidates and ideas that offer a positive vision for overcoming our current difficulties and bringing greater peace, prosperity, and liberty to our nation.”

The January 6 committee has held seven public hearings so far, presenting witness testimony from Trump campaign and administration staffers that there was no evidence of election fraud and that Trump disregarded warnings that his plan to overturn the election was illegal. The hearings have also detailed Trump’s pressure campaign at different levels of government and his attempts to enlist the Department of Justice in his efforts.

 

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What is your proof, Kirk?
LMAO. Proof? The only proof required is that the only twice impeached POTUS in history said so. The only time proof is needed is when his fearless leader is accused of something and then it must be an eye witness who is the corroborated by another eye witness and then only if the chosen one signs an affidavit and a sufficient period of time goes by and he does not recant. Even the he might change his mind.
 
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Even independents know that there are a substantial number of never-Trumpers and RINOs. This type of propaganda doesn't move the needle. It's just porn for the Democratic base.

The greatest concern of the American establishment is convincing the masses that nothing is wrong. This effort is just another brick in that wall.
 
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What makes me laugh about all of this is that if the election was truly rigged, why didn't the Dems get a super majority in the Senate and House? Why would they only rig the presidential vote, but not also make it so Biden could push his agenda? I mean, it makes no sense for anyone who can actually use their heads...
 

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What makes me laugh about all of this is that if the election was truly rigged, why didn't the Dems get a super majority in the Senate and House? Why would they only rig the presidential vote, but not also make it so Biden could push his agenda? I mean, it makes no sense for anyone who can actually use their heads...
The more I think about this, the more I realize the paradox of what those who believe the election was rigged seem to miss. It's this: The DNC was smart enough to rig the election so Biden is president, but not smart enough to make people like Mitch McConnell. Lindsey Graham or even Susan Collins.

It reminds me of the white supremacists/anti-semite paradox about Jews. They are inferior, yet they control everything. How would that be possible???

But, they you have the right-wing media echo chamber, like Fox, who constantly repeated Trump's lies about the election, but never raised these issues. Just absolute dereliction of duty as a news organization...
 

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The more I think about this, the more I realize the paradox of what those who believe the election was rigged seem to miss. It's this: The DNC was smart enough to rig the election so Biden is president, but not smart enough to make people like Mitch McConnell. Lindsey Graham or even Susan Collins.

It reminds me of the white supremacists/anti-semite paradox about Jews. They are inferior, yet they control everything. How would that be possible???

But, they you have the right-wing media echo chamber, like Fox, who constantly repeated Trump's lies about the election, but never raised these issues. Just absolute dereliction of duty as a news organization...
the fact that the same folks were on the same ballot yet Trump lost hmmmmmm.....mind boggling
 

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The more I think about this, the more I realize the paradox of what those who believe the election was rigged seem to miss. It's this: The DNC was smart enough to rig the election so Biden is president, but not smart enough to make people like Mitch McConnell. Lindsey Graham or even Susan Collins.

It reminds me of the white supremacists/anti-semite paradox about Jews. They are inferior, yet they control everything. How would that be possible???

But, they you have the right-wing media echo chamber, like Fox, who constantly repeated Trump's lies about the election, but never raised these issues. Just absolute dereliction of duty as a news organization...
You fundamentally misunderstand this entire issue.

The most common position on one side of the issue is that voters have concerns about the integrity of the 2020 election based on specific information and allegations, which in and of themselves are not conclusive, but which reasonably support a careful investigation. In other words, these people are not SURE the election was rigged, but think their CONCERNS are legitimate enough for serious investigation/audit.

The most common position on the other side is "nothing to see here" or "you haven't proven your case, so we shouldn't investigate further" (circular reasoning).

The reality is that opposition to investigation has largely won the day, leaving reasonable concerns unanswered. Of course, it has to be understood that establishment types on both sides of the aisle do not want the public to lose confidence in the reliability of elections and at the same time do not want to improve the integrity of elections. That leaves them one position - claim that nothing is wrong with the current safeguards, and resist any attempts to prove otherwise.

The political reality is that you will never persuade someone that their concerns are unfounded by fighting tooth and nail against any comprehensive investigation/audit. It means nothing to scream "unproven" while you stand in the way of investigation.

You might not be smart enough to understand that "unproven" does not mean the same as "untrue", but a lot of voters do.

P.s. There is no "necessity" for down ballot races to be affected by, or affected to the same extent, as any improper election conduct that impacted upon the Presidential race, for reasons that should be obvious to you.
 

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It means nothing to scream "unproven" while you stand in the way of investigation.
Excellent commentary on the aftermath of the Mueller report
 

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Excellent commentary on the aftermath of the Mueller report
Yet, investigate Mueller did. As ridiculous as the allegations were on their face, fueled by proven fabrication.

See a difference?
 
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You fundamentally misunderstand this entire issue.

The most common position on one side of the issue is that voters have concerns about the integrity of the 2020 election based on specific information and allegations, which in and of themselves are not conclusive, but which reasonably support a careful investigation. In other words, these people are not SURE the election was rigged, but think their CONCERNS are legitimate enough for serious investigation/audit.

The most common position on the other side is "nothing to see here" or "you haven't proven your case, so we shouldn't investigate further" (circular reasoning).

The reality is that opposition to investigation has largely won the day, leaving reasonable concerns unanswered. Of course, it has to be understood that establishment types on both sides of the aisle do not want the public to lose confidence in the reliability of elections and at the same time do not want to improve the integrity of elections. That leaves them one position - claim that nothing is wrong with the current safeguards, and resist any attempts to prove otherwise.

The political reality is that you will never persuade someone that their concerns are unfounded by fighting tooth and nail against any comprehensive investigation/audit. It means nothing to scream "unproven" while you stand in the way of investigation.

You might not be smart enough to understand that "unproven" does not mean the same as "untrue", but a lot of voters do.

P.s. There is no "necessity" for down ballot races to be affected by, or affected to the same extent, as any improper election conduct that impacted upon the Presidential race, for reasons that should be obvious to you.
And what are the reasonable concerns? There were several investigations that showed everything was above board. The allegations about faulty or re-programmed voting machines was shown to be false. Just because a large number of people believe a conspiracy theory does not give it merit.
 
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And what are the reasonable concerns? There were several investigations that showed everything was above board. The allegations about faulty or re-programmed voting machines was shown to be false. Just because a large number of people believe a conspiracy theory does not give it merit.
Not to mention the Cyber Ninja Arizona audits who went in salivating looking for fraudelent ballots and found ZIPPO, NADA, nothing but humble pie in their face. You have to be very weak minded as a voter for the Repugs and to believe in the big lie.
 
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Leimonis

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Yes and the earth is flat
that's literally their level.

Seriously, my issue #1 with rigging the election is: it is not plausible because it would require a very significant number of co-conspirators who would have to be capable of doing it and keeping their mouth shut and not leaving evidence behind.

Issue #1 with flat earth? Exact same.

Issue #1 with any conspiracy theory? Exact same.
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