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nottyboi

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British Ministry of Defense: “Extreme Attrition” in the Russian Military (msn.com)


The British Ministry of Defense’s daily update highlights “extreme attrition” of Russian forces.

According to the report, three successive commanders of one of Russia’s most prestigious airborne regiments have either resigned or been killed since February 2022. As recently as early September, the commander of the 247th Guards Airborne Regiment, Colonel Vasily Popov, was apparently killed in the heavily contested Orikhiv sector.


Just a few weeks earlier, in August 2023, his predecessor, Colonel Pyotr Popov, had apparently resigned his command. Independent Russian media claim that he acted in protest against the military’s failure to recover the bodies of Russian victims.

Shows grinding exercise of the military
Similarly, in the first weeks of the invasion, the then-commander of the 247th, Colonel Konstantin Zizevsky, was killed. According to the British Ministry of Defense, the experience of the 247th illustrates the “extreme attrition and high turnover” of Russian forces in action, even in relatively high ranks.

Russian commanders lead from the front. Its expected. They are not afraid to lose a few senior officers. it gives the men more determination to fight with their commanders.
 

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Russian commanders lead from the front. Its expected. They are not afraid to lose a few senior officers. it gives the men more determination to fight with their commanders.
Sure......

You're a Konskriptnik sitting in a trench and you hear a report that the regimental colonel was blown up in a drone strike in another trench a half-mile away, I'm sure you feel great about that. Your determination soars. 🥴
 
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Well, we all know what Josh's reaction would be if his home and family were under attack.

RUN JOSH, RUN!
What did Josh have to run away from when his home and family
were not under attack?
I'll answer the question in my post.

Josh's home and family were not under attack. Were he in
control his reaction would be either

gave the beggar his chump change and ran away

or

busted the beggar and sent him away.
 
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Sure......

You're a Konskriptnik sitting in a trench and you hear a report that the regimental colonel was blown up in a drone strike in another trench a half-mile away, I'm sure you feel great about that. Your determination soars. 🥴
At least I know they are in the same shithole as me, vs looking an the soldiers die on some screen in the UAE. And if the battle is going rough I will think GREAT serves the asshole right. hopefully the new asshole is more competent.
 
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NotADcotor

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Russian commanders lead from the front. Its expected. They are not afraid to lose a few senior officers. it gives the men more determination to fight with their commanders.
No they lead from the front because they can't trust their lower ranks to actually do anything on their own initiative, that was the Soviet way and that is the Russian way. They have to lead from the front. Top down managed gets generals killed. Don't make them out to be some sort of Patton/Rommel type.
It's actually a pretty special needs thing to do, have a guy who is supposed to be in charge of thousand of dudes with all sorts of responsibilities leading from the front. You got more important things to do, things that can only be done from behind the lines. You want battle front leadership, that is what the LTs and Seiner NCOs are for... oh wait, the Russian army is total shit when it comes to NCOs. Oppsies. I mean how the fuck are you supposed to lead a regiment or a division from the front, sure you can carry a fuckload of communication equipment with you, but I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be anywhere near such a target. Also when the HNIC gets killed, it's pretty disruptive.
 

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No they lead from the front because they can't trust their lower ranks to actually do anything on their own initiative, that was the Soviet way and that is the Russian way. They have to lead from the front. Top down managed gets generals killed. Don't make them out to be some sort of Patton/Rommel type.
It's actually a pretty special needs thing to do, have a guy who is supposed to be in charge of thousand of dudes with all sorts of responsibilities leading from the front. You got more important things to do, things that can only be done from behind the lines. You want battle front leadership, that is what the LTs and Seiner NCOs are for... oh wait, the Russian army is total shit when it comes to NCOs. Oppsies.

THat's nonsense, there have been countless examples of squads acting on their own initiative. Small groups with drone and artillery are pretty central to this battle. The higher ranking officers mostly go there to inspect and audit the info that is being sent back to command.
 

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Those generals are at the front because they are forced to and they do not have enough money to bribe the guy above them for a better post. When Pirghozin went to Moscow, Putin along with his top generals ran to St. Petersburg.
 

NotADcotor

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THat's nonsense, there have been countless examples of squads acting on their own initiative. Small groups with drone and artillery are pretty central to this battle. The higher ranking officers mostly go there to inspect and audit the info that is being sent back to command.
And the ideas that Canadians are polite is nonsense because of Paul Bernardo.
Everyone who isn't living in a fantasy land knows that the Soviet Union and Russia have a problem with unit initiative and a serious lacking of a proper NCO crew. Everybody. If you are going to argue to the contrary than either you are flat out lying even though you know better, or you are not informed enough to engage in serious conversation on this topic.

Back during the Israeli Arab wars one Israeli general said that if they switched equipment they would still wipe the floor with the Arab armies... it was their top down command control system that the Soviets trained them in... and then passed down to Russia.

You can come up with particular counter examples [or maybe you can't, but I am sure if you looked hard enough you can find some, and considering the sources you use, a few of them might actually be true] but that doesn't change the basic issue with the Russian military.

Stop it, get help.
 

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THat's nonsense, there have been countless examples of squads acting on their own initiative. Small groups with drone and artillery are pretty central to this battle. The higher ranking officers mostly go there to inspect and audit the info that is being sent back to command.
That's not leading from the front.
 

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Some of you folks may want to ask Senator Rand Paul if he supports
ethnic cleansing and genocide.


 

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Some of you folks may want to ask Senator Rand Paul if he supports
ethnic cleansing and genocide.


He's also anti vaxx IIRC. Paul supports any flavour of the months rightie bullshit that comes along.
 

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Energy reality in Europe is second only to Russian propaganda
and disinformation in making Putin smile. Stingy Republicans
also help.

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Netherlands closes Groningen gas field over quake fears
Sept 22, 2023

The Dutch government on Friday announced that it would stop production from the Groningen gas field at the end of the month.

Gas extraction from the field had been ongoing for 60 years. It is Europe's largest natural gas field and accounted for 90% of the gas supplied to Dutch households at one point.

Gas production from the field in the northeastern region will halt starting October 1, the Ministry of Economic Affairs said in a statement. It left open the possibility for limited restarts during extreme cold weather.

The Dutch government had previously announced plans to close the field by 2030 due to the risk of low-magnitude earthquakes. In June, the Dutch Cabinet initially issued a draft proposal to shut the site by October 1.

Residents of the Groningen region have complained for over two decades of quakes caused by drilling operations.

While extraction from the field had been cut to nearly zero over the last few years, the Dutch government had kept the site operational because of uncertainties prompted by Russia's invasion of Ukraine in early 2022.

The ministry said that the Dutch government plans to pass a law stipulating that all extraction locations are to be demolished so that gas production cannot be resumed.

According to the statement, gas will only be temporarily extracted over the coming winter in the event of extreme cold. Otherwise, the government will maintain the policy of zero extraction.

The ministry defined a "very severe cold" period as when daytime low temperatures were consistently around -6.5 degrees Celsius (20.3 degrees Fahrenheit) for several consecutive days.

Definitive closure of the Groningen gas field is scheduled for October 1, 2024, even though "uncertainty on the gas market is not expected to completely disappear… and may even continue to rise" after that point, it said.

"After the coming winter, [authorities] will assess whether additional measures are necessary to ensure supplies after the field is closed," the ministry said.

 

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Those generals are at the front because they are forced to and they do not have enough money to bribe the guy above them for a better post. When Pirghozin went to Moscow, Putin along with his top generals ran to St. Petersburg.
So what? What happened during 911 with the US leadership?
 

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lol. There was a video someone posted a while ago, where the Russian soldiers were talking about the complete disarray and unprofessional attitudes of their superiors, and how no one really gives a shit. They are no leaders. Apparently half of them are just drunk assholes who try to sexually assault their own women! lmao.
You really think there is ever a war in history where there was no incompetence and chaos?
 
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