Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures
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It might be because Israel has killed about 100 journalists, destroyed their offices and is now blocking Al Jazeera from Israeli eyes.
Al Jazeera condemns Israeli government decision to shut down local offices
Israeli cabinet votes unanimously to close the network’s operations in Israel with immediate effect.
I am trying to say that successful protest movements in the US get whitewashed to have been "done properly" and "obviously everyone agreed" and so on.
As shown above, most Americans in the 1960s thought the civil rights movement protests were bad, done badly, and would hurt the cause.
Rosa Parks is remembered as a woman whose feet were tired and refused to move to the back of the bus instead of the dedicated activist and believer in Black Panther separatist violence that she was.
Lincoln was wildly controversial as a President.
The Abolitionist movement was considered radical and too violent for many of their protests against slavery.
That's just the way this is done.
If the US distances itself from Israel and people think that is a good thing, then the people being celebrated for it won't be those people you think are being idiots here - it will be the people who can be presented as the fine, moral voices who were reasonable.
This is actually an interesting point people don't want to discuss.
There were - rather famously - two "intifada"s. (Note this tweet refers to the "Second Intifada". )
They were conducted very differently.
In the minds of some, the chant of "Intifada" obviously only refers to the First. To others, it obviously only refers to the Second.
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Every country cleans shit up. Unless a certain issue gets taken over by an oppositional faction and is used as their own contrarian issue - i.e. "bad treatment of indigenous peoples" as a wedge issue used by the left.
The clean-up of the civil rights movement is 100% because it suits both the right and the left. The left cos they won. The right because they moved on - aside from the real asswipes like MTG and others - and want to look good in the rear view mirror.
Popular history - and often academic history as well - is a comic book version of what actually took place.
Palestine is a far left issue and likely wouldn't last in the memory of anyone else regardless of whether the US disassociated itself from Israel or not.
An honest discussion of the changing tactics of both sides would actually be pretty interesting.
Both sides have evolved and tried multiple angles.
If the US distances itself from Israel and does nothing to help Palestine, then obviously these protests won't be remembered as "pro-Palestine" protests but as "anti-war/distance from Israel" protests.
Why would israel expect Hamas to go back to first intifada? It’s like hoping that an army is going to abandon modern weapons and go back to bows and arrows. That’s not how life works.
Palestinians seem to love their suicide bombings and they seem to make sure they have enough people ready to blow themselves up.
while the ultra left are happy to forget 9/11 and ignore the threat of Islamism
Won't happen in this environment, though.
At least not outside of some academic corners.
See Leimonis's post above as an example.
