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Is the plan to go 100% Presto?

Does that mean we all have to get a Presto card?

Will the TTC refund me for the soon to be useless tokens?
 

1HandInMyPocket

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The plan is to go 100% Presto.

You only have to get a Presto Card if you plan to continue to ride the TTC.

I'm sure (like in the past) the TTC will refund you for your unused tokens, but you still have plenty of time to use them. How many do you have?
 

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When all buses and stations have a presto card reader then you might consider getting it, but you can also get a TTC metro pass as well.

Eventually you can see the will have tokens completely gone, and I've noticed presto machines break down a lot .
 
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When all buses and stations have a presto card reader then you might consider getting it, but you can also get a TTC metro pass as well.

Eventually you can see the will have tokens completely gone, and I've noticed presto machines break down a lot .
I've only seen a malfunctioning PRESTO machine once, and because of it I rode for free.
 

Butler1000

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Going to be another year for the metropasses because the system can't be programed with them yet.

The province could have purchased one of the existing systems that work but instead, like e-health wanted to make their own and fucked it up. And cost us considerably more.
 

whollycheeses

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Going to be another year for the metropasses because the system can't be programed with them yet.

The province could have purchased one of the existing systems that work but instead, like e-health wanted to make their own and fucked it up. And cost us considerably more.
Presto works great on EVERY other transit system in the GTA. Like with any other change, it's a huge obstacle for the TTC to implement. Surprise.
 

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How many do you have?
Not me but one of my friends has a ton of tokens. he hordes them to avoid future price increases.

I noticed that the TTC buses still accept cash fare. I remember back in December 1993 I hoped on a NYC bus and the driver said they can't accept cash, only tokens.
 

explorerzip

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Just use up all of your tokens and order a Presto card online. Presto is so much more convenient; you can add funds online or do an automatic top up. No more fiddling with cash , tokens or lining up for passes. I think the Presto machines inside stations are very reliable. But it does make sense that the ones on vehicles would break down more often because of constant vibration.
 

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Just use up all of your tokens and order a Presto card online. Presto is so much more convenient; you can add funds online or do an automatic top up.
What happens if you lose your Presto card? Can anybody use it or can you call TTC to cancel the card?
 

Hugh G. Rekshun

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... the system can't be programmed with them yet...
I still don't understand how they're going to make this work regarding transferring between buses, streetcars, and the subway stations that get passed by the surface vehicles without them entering into a passenger loading/unloading platform considered to be inside the station. It would be simpler if they were to do it like Mississauga and Hamilton (and I assume other places) where you get a free transfer (listed as $0) on the Presto card if it's less than 2 hours after you last paid to get on the same transit system. But the TTC has said they will definitely not be allowing the 2-hour transfers because they claim it would cost them too much in lost fares from people taking short return trips. So I assume trying to program the TTC Presto system to be capable of discerning what should and shouldn't be a free transfer for riders, based on when and where they last paid, is very much more complicated. They sure don't seem to have figured it out yet, as for the last few months I've on occasion been getting a free transfer where there shouldn't be one, if they're supposedly insisting on still using the long-standing present arrangement that doesn't allow stop-overs and return trips unless you pay again.
 

explorerzip

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I still don't understand how they're going to make this work regarding transferring between buses, streetcars, and the subway stations that get passed by the surface vehicles without them entering into a passenger loading/unloading platform considered to be inside the station. It would be simpler if they were to do it like Mississauga and Hamilton (and I assume other places) where you get a free transfer (listed as $0) on the Presto card if it's less than 2 hours after you last paid to get on the same transit system. But the TTC has said they will definitely not be allowing the 2-hour transfers because they claim it would cost them too much in lost fares from people taking short return trips. So I assume trying to program the TTC Presto system to be capable of discerning what should and shouldn't be a free transfer for riders, based on when and where they last paid, is very much more complicated. They sure don't seem to have figured it out yet, as for the last few months I've on occasion been getting a free transfer where there shouldn't be one, if they're supposedly insisting on still using the long-standing present arrangement that doesn't allow stop-overs and return trips unless you pay again.
I would think that TTC riders would need to tap their card every time they transfer between buses, streetcars or the subway even if they are inside the fare paid zone of subway stations. There are already Presto readers at the front and back doors of buses and streetcars for this purpose. The system would compare the elapsed time between the two taps to see if it's a valid transfer. Where things get complicated is that the system would need to know about major delays on the subway that would cause a large amount of time between tapping on and off. I don't think you would need paper transfers for this type of configuration.

GO riders already have to tap on at the start of their trip and tap off at the destination. I don't know how they handle transfers between train and bus though. For example, if I take a GO train from Union to Pickering and then a bus from that train station somewhere else how many times do I need to tap my card? I think it would be once at Union Station and again when I'm at my final destination after I leave the bus? Or do I have to tap on at Union, tap off at Pickering, tap on when I'm on the bus and off when I reach my destination?

The reason GO riders have to tap on and off by the way is that the GO system uses a zone-fare system i.e. you pay more the further you travel. So the system needs to know the starting and ending points.
 

Hugh G. Rekshun

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... I don't know how they handle transfers between train and bus ...
You have to tap on and off every time you enter or exit a GO bus.
As far as I know, the only situation that does not require tapping off and on is transferring from one GO train to another one leaving from the same station, as long as it's the next train leaving in the direction you're going.
For example, someone going from Brampton to Peterborough would tap on at the Brampton GO train station, then get off that train at Union and onto another going to Oshawa -- without tapping off and on at Union -- but then would have to tap off after leaving the train at Oshawa, and then tap on and off the bus to Peterborough. I think, if you get on the bus within a certain time after the train trip ends (maybe 20 or 25 minutes?), the Presto charge for the bus trip to Peterborough is then discounted, as if you had bought one ticket to go from Brampton to Peterborough.
 

Butler1000

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I still don't understand how they're going to make this work regarding transferring between buses, streetcars, and the subway stations that get passed by the surface vehicles without them entering into a passenger loading/unloading platform considered to be inside the station. It would be simpler if they were to do it like Mississauga and Hamilton (and I assume other places) where you get a free transfer (listed as $0) on the Presto card if it's less than 2 hours after you last paid to get on the same transit system. But the TTC has said they will definitely not be allowing the 2-hour transfers because they claim it would cost them too much in lost fares from people taking short return trips. So I assume trying to program the TTC Presto system to be capable of discerning what should and shouldn't be a free transfer for riders, based on when and where they last paid, is very much more complicated. They sure don't seem to have figured it out yet, as for the last few months I've on occasion been getting a free transfer where there shouldn't be one, if they're supposedly insisting on still using the long-standing present arrangement that doesn't allow stop-overs and return trips unless you pay again.
What should happen is keep it simple. Have the card programmable to give unlimited rides within the month. Just like the existing pass. It's not difficult.

Like I said. It's because of the way the card was set up. They could have used an existing system but the then the Liberals wouldn't have been able to hire "consultants" to pay back for favors.

Just like E-health.
 

Insidious Von

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I'll get a Presto card once the Vaughan Subway Terminal is completed. It's such a pain in the ass to get into the city, the Sheppard stop lot is always full and now you get hassled by mall security if you park at Yorkdale to get the Subway. Horrid planning by the city.

A Presto for your morning drive:

 
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What happens if you lose your Presto card? Can anybody use it or can you call TTC to cancel the card?
When you report a lost card, the balance is frozen, and a new card is issued to you for the same $6 fee to obtain the first card.
Hugh, the only thing I can think is them doing is still using paper transfers that you obtain from the driver.
In Brampton, transfers work for 2 hours from the start of your trip, rather than a single, 1 direction trip. You tap on at every transfer point, and the PRESTO reader displays the amount of time left on your trip allotment.
 
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