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President Is Dead Wrong About Climate Change: Nobel Prize Winning Scientist

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Climate Change: The Facts
http://www.amazon.ca/Climate-Change...7080&sr=8-1&keywords=climate+change+the+facts

If after reading this you still believe that man made climate change is a threat to our existence then there really is no hope for you.

Alternatively sit through this youtube video. You may not agree with everything he says. But at the very least you will be amused and will gain some knowledge about modern thought. Truly insightful, I've actually watched it twice. And I'm going to order his book next


You can follow the trail.

Tim Ball (research fellow at the Frontier Centre for Public Policy) > http://www.desmogblog.com/frontier-centre-public-policy
Look at the the board members, they seem to be very "energetic" type folk if you catch my drift.

One of the members, Wendell Cox -> http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wendell_Cox
Guess who he advised. LMFAO -> consultant for a variety of corporate-funded and Koch Family Foundations-funded think tanks


Yeah KD, that Tim Ball, those are some associations he has there. :thumb:
 

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For the love of God when are the pro AGW crowd going to stop using the red herring of the BIG OIL BOGEYMAN. Not only is it wrong it is highly hypocritical. Can we look at the facts for once.....
Fact is, as I stated, Mobil has been funding Tim's organizations.


p.s. You really should get some better talking points.
 

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He fits in with the Republican philosophy which says there is no such thing as global warming.
 

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Again, your argument that climate change is not real or that man is not causing it to rapidly accelerate is null and void until you can give evidence in the form of something from a peer reviewed climate science journal.
 

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Climate Change: The Facts
http://www.amazon.ca/Climate-Change...7080&sr=8-1&keywords=climate+change+the+facts

If after reading this you still believe that man made climate change is a threat to our existence then there really is no hope for you.

Alternatively sit through this youtube video. You may not agree with everything he says. But at the very least you will be amused and will gain some knowledge about modern thought. Truly insightful, I've actually watched it twice. And I'm going to order his book next
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting, persuasive, as well as entertaining.
 

Frankfooter

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Thanks for posting this. Very interesting, persuasive, as well as entertaining.
Tim Ball is paid by the Heartland Institute, a fossil fuel lobby group.
http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball

The man is a creationist who thinks the bibles predictions on science have come true.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball

Most of his articles have been scrubbed from the web, as he has two lawsuits for libel in process.
http://www.desmogblog.com/michael-mann-suing-tim-ball-libel
http://www.desmogblog.com/weaver-sues-tim-ball-libel

He was also sued and lost for lying about his credentials.
Ball’s last foray into the court ended badly. Ball attempted to sue another Canadian scientist, Dr. Dan Johnson, in 2006, complaining that a letter that Johnson had written to the Calgary Herald suggested that Ball had lied about his resume. When Johnson’s Statement of Defence demonstrated that Ball HAD lied about his resume, Ball abandoned the suit.
Even weirder, Ball hired a pederast as his scientific expert witness.
Fucking sick, if you ask me.

http://climatecrocks.com/2012/07/25/mike-mann-defamation-update-the-unbearable-weirdness-of-denial/



So, take the words of this lying supporter of pederasts with a grain of salt, please.
 

GPIDEAL

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Climate Change: The Facts
http://www.amazon.ca/Climate-Change...7080&sr=8-1&keywords=climate+change+the+facts

If after reading this you still believe that man made climate change is a threat to our existence then there really is no hope for you.

Alternatively sit through this youtube video. You may not agree with everything he says. But at the very least you will be amused and will gain some knowledge about modern thought. Truly insightful, I've actually watched it twice. And I'm going to order his book next

Thanks for this K. I'll watch this over the weekend.
 

GPIDEAL

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Tim Ball is paid by the Heartland Institute, a fossil fuel lobby group.
http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball

The man is a creationist who thinks the bibles predictions on science have come true.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball

Most of his articles have been scrubbed from the web, as he has two lawsuits for libel in process.
http://www.desmogblog.com/michael-mann-suing-tim-ball-libel
http://www.desmogblog.com/weaver-sues-tim-ball-libel

He was also sued and lost for lying about his credentials.


Even weirder, Ball hired a pederast as his scientific expert witness.
Fucking sick, if you ask me.

http://climatecrocks.com/2012/07/25/mike-mann-defamation-update-the-unbearable-weirdness-of-denial/



So, take the words of this lying supporter of pederasts with a grain of salt, please.
Thank you for this too.
 

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Tim Ball is paid by the Heartland Institute, a fossil fuel lobby group.
http://www.desmogblog.com/timothy-f-ball-tim-ball
Already knew that. Should I care? Everybody in this debate is paid by somebody aligned with their views.

The man is a creationist who thinks the bibles predictions on science have come true.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball
Amusing, but who cares. He doesn't rely on the Bible as authority for his scientific analysis. Other great scientists (e.g. Einstein) have/had strong religious views that I don't happen to share. I'm sure there are several on the other side of the debate.

Most of his articles have been scrubbed from the web, as he has two lawsuits for libel in process.
http://www.desmogblog.com/michael-mann-suing-tim-ball-libel
http://www.desmogblog.com/weaver-sues-tim-ball-libel
Not surprising that Mann is suing. His scientific credibility and career are at stake. Let's see who wins, and why. However, the issue in the suit doesn't turn on the science that Ball is relying upon for his scientific point of view. The ruling in the suit might undermine his claim that the other side is deliberately misrepresenting the data.

He was also sued and lost for lying about his credentials.
You haven't provided a link here, so hard to say whether this is relevant. Probably not, I'd venture.

Even weirder, Ball hired a pederast as his scientific expert witness.
Fucking sick, if you ask me.

http://climatecrocks.com/2012/07/25/mike-mann-defamation-update-the-unbearable-weirdness-of-denial/


So, take the words of this lying supporter of pederasts with a grain of salt, please.
Weird allegation in the context of this debate. The article that's linked to is so unreadable it's hard to divine what it's saying. I couldn't see anywhere in that article where his witness was found to be a pederast. Doesn't it say that O'Sullivan was acquitted of charges? That aside, not sure why this weird allegation should undermine the science Ball is relying on.

I think the data and analysis that he relies upon is interesting, coherent, and persuasive. I'd be happy to look at link where someone systematically attacks his presentation. Not interested in the silliness of the surrounding legal battles.
 

GPIDEAL

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Already knew that. Should I care? Everybody in this debate is paid by somebody aligned with their views.



Amusing, but who cares. He doesn't rely on the Bible as authority for his scientific analysis. Other great scientists (e.g. Einstein) have/had strong religious views that I don't happen to share. I'm sure there are several on the other side of the debate.



Not surprising that Mann is suing. His scientific credibility and career are at stake. Let's see who wins, and why. However, the issue in the suit doesn't turn on the science that Ball is relying upon for his scientific point of view. The ruling in the suit might undermine his claim that the other side is deliberately misrepresenting the data.



You haven't provided a link here, so hard to say whether this is relevant. Probably not, I'd venture.



Weird allegation in the context of this debate. The article that's linked to is so unreadable it's hard to divine what it's saying. I couldn't see anywhere in that article where his witness was found to be a pederast. Doesn't it say that O'Sullivan was acquitted of charges? That aside, not sure why this weird allegation should undermine the science Ball is relying on.

I think the data and analysis that he relies upon is interesting, coherent, and persuasive. I'd be happy to look at link where someone systematically attacks his presentation. Not interested in the silliness of the surrounding legal battles.


Thanks for your comments too Bud!
 

Frankfooter

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Already knew that. Should I care? Everybody in this debate is paid by somebody aligned with their views.
Yes, you should care.

No climatologist is paid to find out specific results, they are all paid to research and publish their results.
But Tim Ball is paid by the people who stand to lose the most money should we move to mitigate climate change, he is paid to promote the view they back.
He's not paid to research, only to lobby. Its the polar opposite of researchers.

That view is backed up the view of the courts, who found him to be lying about his credentials.
http://www.desmogblog.com/tim-ball-vs-dan-johnson-lawsuit-documents


I think the data and analysis that he relies upon is interesting, coherent, and persuasive. I'd be happy to look at link where someone systematically attacks his presentation. Not interested in the silliness of the surrounding legal battles.
You can't find his data and analysis, he won't publish it as science, only as opinion.
It won't stand up.
The man is a liar, he lies about his credentials and lies in his claims.
Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die


The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can’t even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious “doctor of science” that Ball claims in
http://www.desmogblog.com/dr-tim-ball-the-lie-that-just-wont-die
 

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Guys, guys, guys....

You guys would argue about everything!

The planet is FINE! Humans are FUCKED!


Get off you high horses and enjoy your time on it before the next dominant species takes over. :p

Human arrogance... starting with that idiot Gore... pulease! He and his ilk are after one thing, and one thing alone: YOUR $!

:hand:
 

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hundreads of nobel prize winning scientists agree with climate change.... and 1 guy says opposite and you go with him? lol
 

GPIDEAL

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Guys, guys, guys....

You guys would argue about everything!

The planet is FINE! Humans are FUCKED!


Get off you high horses and enjoy your time on it before the next dominant species takes over. :p

Human arrogance... starting with that idiot Gore... pulease! He and his ilk are after one thing, and one thing alone: YOUR $!

:hand:


This was brilliant Ridgeman. Absolutely brilliant. I'm glad I saw him at the Rose Theatre in Brampton when I had the chance. Thanks for posting this.
 

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hundreads of nobel prize winning scientists agree with climate change.... and 1 guy says opposite and you go with him? lol
Who doesn`t like to cheer or side with an underdog?

But yea, the ones who don`t believe in climate change. They have people like us who know and understand what is real and true to save their asses in the future. It`s a tough job.
 

Frankfooter

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Globe Warming my ass!
Al Gore and all kathelyn Wynn and David Suzeki can shove it up their ass!
Get ready for mini ice age!

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...n-just-15-years-scientists-say/2751436649025/
This is the prediction for the effect of this supposedly very large solar event.
However, the study said any potential weakening in solar activity would have only a small effect on temperature rises at a worldwide level, delaying the warming caused by emissions from cars, factories and power plants by around two years.
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ld-offset-some-global-warming-europe-us-study

Solar events don't have nearly the influence on climate that greenhouse gases do.


Someone only read the headline.....
 

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This is the prediction for the effect of this supposedly very large solar event.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ld-offset-some-global-warming-europe-us-study

Solar events don't have nearly the influence on climate that greenhouse gases do.


Someone only read the headline.....
Your headline news article is outdated an obsolete!!!
Here the latest research JULY 12 2015 or headline maybe you should read the whole latest news articles in my posting see below.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...w-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html
 

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Cooling is far more dangerous to the planet than warming, more people die, food production goes way down. And cooling can arrive at ANY time due to volcanic eruptions, never mind the sun cycles.
 
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