Preparing for a record breaking heat wave...

JohnLarue

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So all those folks in Europe who never really needed air conditioners in the past can just pound salt?...
Ask the fools who shut down the nuclear & FF electricity generators the exact same question

Climate changes always has, always will... independent of parts per million Co2
Hell it might even get hotter than the 1930s (before air conditioners) or possibly hotter than the medieval warm period

restricting energy and chasing energy unicorns (net zero via solar & wind) will not fix that
 

jcpro

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So all those folks in Europe who never really needed air conditioners in the past can just pound salt?...
And do you know why? Because the old Europe constructed their houses in a way that the high and low temperatures were mitigated by the extensive and thick stone work. We were never too hot in our home, but those in the new, especially post WWII houses and apartments were.
 

bver_hunter

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I comprehend the study I linked perfectly. Reliable temperature recording has only been around less than 200 years. Notwithstanding that, based on the best evidence and current scientific tools, the UK was just as hot as it is now about 2000 years ago (Roman times), except that manmade carbon emissions could not have been the cause (calling into question the assertion that current temperature increases MUST be because of human activity, and calling into question the cataclysmic predictions based on current temperatures). Further study would, no doubt, show that the UK has been as hot, or hotter, dozens or THOUSANDS of times earlier in the long history of the planet.

Your myopic focus on the last 100 years is a lot like judging the slope of the land by only staring at your feet!

As to your inexplicable laughing fit, I see that a lot in documentaries about psychopaths.
No you do not comprehend the study that you posted. First of all that study has not been updated to include the actual record temperatures that we are experiencing.
They have not enough data from 2000 years, so goodness knows how you make that claim that is as hot or even hotter 2000 years ago!!
The official data for the average temperature rise over 2000 years indicate that:



Yes, well According to IPCC Sixth Assessment Report, in the last 170 years, humans have caused the global temperature to increase to the highest level in the last 2,000 years. The current multi-century period is the warmest in the past 100,000 years. The temperature in the years 2011-2020 was 1.09°C higher than in 1859-1890. The temperature on land rose by 1.59°C.
 
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basketcase

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Keep deluding yourself BC. It was hardly fringe, it was mainstream thought in the climate science community for the better part of two decades. No matter how much today's pseudo scientists try, they cannot erase the past publications of record in the same manner that they have with the temperature record.
Nice blog you quoted.

Reality

To sumarize since you won't want to read actual science, 2043 papers about warming vs. 325 about cooling.
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basketcase

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I comprehend the study I linked perfectly. Reliable temperature recording has only been around less than 200 years....
That's true. Also true is that the human population 200 years ago was 1/8 what it is now and that population is reliant on a worldwide integration. Significant changes to climate will disrupt the economic network and will cause far more of a global issue than a crisis in 1822 would have.
 

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#1 only in developed countries
#2 There is a biased towards urban areas & airports - urban island heat effect
#3. 2/3 of the planet is ocean & the sea surface temp record is not reliable - Argo system -,maybe 20 years
# 4 The coverage in artic & Antarctic regions is extremely sparce - A whole pile of colder stations were lost when the USSR fell apart- Canada apparently also lost a number of northern stations

Look at the difference between the number of northern stations in 1976 & 1997-- hey no bloody wonder the data says it is a tad warmer

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So Jonny's suggestion is that climate is only getting hotter in places we've ben measuring?
 

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Ask the fools who shut down the nuclear & FF electricity generators the exact same question
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Of course the core reason why new nuclear plants aren't being built in Canada is "some people" don't like paying taxes.
 

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Daily Mail mocks the wokies who believe in global warming and cheers for the monarchy all on the same cover.
 
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Daily Mail mocks the wokies who believe in global warming and cheers for the monarchy all on the same cover.
Looks like the last 10 years will keep being the warmest 10 years on record going forward.
 

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Climate change was once more deadly than it is today.

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The U.S. is sweltering. The heat wave of 1936 was far deadlier.
By George Bass
July 20, 2022

Abandoned vehicles sinking into scorching-hot orange silt. Fields of dying crops. Ghost towns cowering under black clouds of dust.

The killer U.S. heat wave of 1936 spread as far north as Canada, led to the heat-related deaths of an estimated 5,000 people, sent thermometers to a record 121 degrees Fahrenheit in Steele, N.D., and made that July the warmest month ever recorded in the United States.

The country and much of the world are currently baking in a brutal heat wave. Britain had its hottest day on record Tuesday, with temperatures hitting 104 degrees at London Heathrow Airport. Much of central Asia has been 20 degrees hotter than normal. And in the United States, more than 100 million Americans were under National Weather Service heat advisories or warnings Tuesday, a day after triple-digit temperatures stretched from Texas to North Dakota.

But in much of the central United States, summer 1936 was even hotter. At their peak, temperatures in North Dakota were warmer than midsummer Death Valley, and hot enough to cook rare steak in the street.

Few residents struggling in those temperatures would have been able to afford such a meal: The heat wave struck during the Great Depression, six years into a sustained period of crop failure and economic hardship.

The North American heat wave of 1936 followed one of the coldest recorded winters in the same area.

In North Dakota, February temperatures at Devil’s Lake plunged to minus-21 degrees. Channel ice in the Illinois River at Peoria grew 19 inches thick. The Chesapeake Bay froze entirely, something that has happened only seven times since 1780. Schools closed in the Pacific Northwest, the Great Plains and the Midwest, with rural schools in Cottonwood County, Minn., losing almost a month of class time.

Although greenhouse gases have warmed the world’s oceans since the 1830s and global warming concerns were being raised as early as 1896, the pronounced swing in temperatures in 1936 isn’t generally considered to be part of human-driven climate change.

At the time, 1936 had such a frozen start that the idea of a heat wave would have seemed like wishful thinking.

Livestock were freezing to death, and pedestrians were regularly experiencing hypothermia and frostbite. Snowdrifts in Pierson, Iowa, swallowed whole locomotives, interrupting deliveries and depleting food stocks,

The blizzards contrasted with the Dust Bowl imagery of the ’30s. As described in John Steinbeck’s 1939 novel “The Grapes of Wrath,” the era saw arid topsoil blown into clouds that scoured the land, blighting everything in their path. And while the extraordinary winter of 1935-36 was certainly a hardship, it would feel like a reprieve as spring gave way to summer.

As documented in “The 1936 North American Heat Wave: The History of America’s Deadly Heat Wave during the Dust Bowl and Great Depression,” temperatures began to climb rapidly in March, with rainfall becoming scarce. Occasional storms would give farmers hope that the early high temperatures would break. Instead, they kept ascending.

By June, a drought was consuming the Northeast, causing a feedback loop where the hot, dry ground further heated the air. Soon, the West and the South were experiencing the same conditions.

High temperatures in Bloomington, Ind., exceeded 100 degrees for two weeks straight in July. The Illinois State Journal declared in a July 8 headline, “Heat wave scorches Midwest: many die.”

“We had fans,” recalled 88-year-old Columbus resident Louise Sager in 2016 when speaking to NBC4 on the 80th anniversary of the heat wave. The temperature had hit 103 degrees for seven consecutive days, and air conditioning was available only in a few stores and theaters. Sager drank lemonade on her dad’s farm to keep cool and waited for ice deliveries.

In eastern Washington state, Oregon and the Great Plains, the dryness became so serious that President Franklin D. Roosevelt created the Great Plains Drought Area Committee, which would later report that “radical adjustment must be made in activities if the area is to self-sustaining.”
Dust storms blew as far as Atlanta, Boston and New York, with silt covering the decks of ships more than 250 miles off the East Coast. New York City streets melted as temperatures on July 9 reached 106 degrees.

Residents of Lincoln, Neb., slept on the lawn of the Nebraska Capitol in an attempt to keep cool on nights when the mercury never dipped below 91 degrees. In New York, people slept on fire escapes.

By September, the high temperatures had abated. But more than 5,000 heat-related deaths had been reported across America, in addition to 1,000 in Canada.
Today, heat remains America’s deadliest “weather killer,” causing more fatalities in an average year than tornadoes, hurricanes or flooding. But given that global energy-related CO2 emissions in 1936 were less than a sixth of today’s, what caused the summer temperatures that year to soar so drastically?

In 2015, researchers at the University of New South Wales in Australia determined that the 1936 heat wave was born of the ocean: specifically, high surface sea temperatures. Areas of the Pacific from the Gulf of Alaska to Los Angeles had warmed in tandem with the Bay of Fundy between Maine and Nova Scotia.

“Together they reduced spring rainfall and created perfect conditions for scorching hot temperatures to develop in the heart of the U.S.,” noted Markus Donat of the ARC Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science.

In the decades since 1936, America has experienced a succession of heat waves. The drought of 1980 caused an estimated $20 billion in damage. Ratcheting temperatures throughout the summer of 1988 are reported to have claimed almost 10,000 lives.

Since 2020, the Southwest has officially been experiencing a megadrought: a two-decade-plus shortage of water, and the area’s driest period since 800 A.D. A study this year determined that 42 percent of the soil moisture deficit is the result of human-caused climate change.

If the conditions of the 1936 heat wave were to take place now, the result would likely be far more severe. “Should this ocean warming reoccur in exactly the same constellation,” Donat said in 2015, “because of climate change it is likely the temperature impacts would be even more devastating and those old records may be surpassed.”

 

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The U.S. is sweltering. The heat wave of 1936 was far deadlier.
By George Bass
Trying to minimize the extreme weather events by saying fewer people died because we now have air conditioning?
 

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Looks like the last 10 years will keep being the warmest 10 years on record going forward.
Take the long view. Things will cool back down once the "greenhouse effect" kicks in. Couple of hundred thousand years, maybe...
 

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