Pontiac RIP

WoodPeckr said:
Right now GM & Ford have their best quality ratings ever, practically equal to the imports and much cheaper in cost to buy and repair. The best bargains are with these two companies right now!....

Sure whatever makes you happy bob :cool:
 
MrMessi said:
Sure whatever makes you happy bob
Just going by what JD Powers says...:cool:
 
WoodPeckr said:
LOL!
Back in the 50s-60s most cars had 'Hood Ornaments.' Pontiac's hood ornament was one with the indian head of Chief Pontiac on all Pontiac cars. Cars back then had more trim and character to set them apart from others. Then alas, the myopic beancounters took control, swinging their 'cost cutting axes' and hood ornaments were chopped off from cars to save a few pennies or a buck here, a penny there. Since the beaners took over the BIG 3, it was all downhill....

Before the demise of the hood ornament....They actually went to an ornament that bent over in a pedestrian collision, so it wouldn't protrude into the person's gut.
 
WoodPeckr said:
Right now GM & Ford have their best quality ratings ever, practically equal to the imports and much cheaper in cost to buy and repair. The best bargains are with these two companies right now!....;)

Sure because they're trying to tread water...
 
WoodPeckr said:
Just going by what JD Powers says...:cool:

JD Power is bullshit.

All they do is survey new car buyers.

"Are you happy with your new car?"

Why yes I am

"Would you consider it a good quality vehicle?"

Why yes I would

"Would you buy another one?"

I certainly would.



Until they start releasing statistics as to break-downs, none of what JD Power publishes is worth a damn. Purely annecdotal.
 
papasmerf said:
In the early 80's an AC DELCO rebuilt starter was around 45 bucks

That's 30 years ago, and certainly not in Canada.

Installed was typically $200.00 for a 4 door Olds Cutlas. (I know, we had one and my dad always went for the cheap aftermarket rebuilds and he needed a new one every 6 months cause the rebuild quality was so poor. I think they used to just clean off the inch of grease, file the brushes and put it back together.)
 
iamme said:
Yes, but imports break down less than domestics.
Yeah them Mac fanboys say the same about their Macs as they merrily go off and pay double and triple for a Mac compared to a PC!....:D

FWIW

Been happily driving B3 for over 40 yrs with no plans to switch to imports. Overall have had little problems with those B3 but having some mechanical background am able to spot and correct minor problems before they become major. Have owned ~18 B3 vehicles in that time span, I like cars and variety and if anything went wrong, in 97% of the time occurred under warr.

B3 vehicles today are constructed better than ever, they last!
One of the best vehicles I ever owned a '92 Pontiac Transport SE van was just put in the boneyard a couple months ago with ~230,000 miles, by its third owner who still loved it.
However if YOU know little or nothing about vehicle repair it IS EASIER THAN EVER to be ripped off by crooked repair shops today. They blame it on B3 crap and people believe it, as they pick your pocket....
 
Obviously they cost less to repair because they are a piece of shit to start off with :D
 
OddSox said:
Yet the total market for 'professionals' is probably less than a tenth of 1% of what the film market used to be, so it really has no bearing on Kodak's current sales. I work in the printing industry, who used to be a major consumer of film of all types - and it's all gone. I don't have the numbers, but I would imagine Kodak's 'good-times' sales were something like 40% consumer, 30% industry and 10% professionals and film-makers. Now, they are fighting over the 10%, and losing...


Well, Super 16mm filmed vanished after the SR3, then came the 416, then Super 16 came on a comeback..

I'm talking industry only, I really don't care about consumer, since consumer does not effect me. I'm talking "Motion Picture" here. No it's not gone, it will probably get better. As long as Steven Spielberg is using Film, it's all good.
 
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My last car was a silver Pontiac Grand Am GT1 Ram Air with hood scoops.

I loved that car so much and it lasted me until almost 400,000 kms. At the time I had to commute to work and was doing a fair bit of out of town travel on weekends.

I'd never had any major issues with it besides needing to balance the tires once and having to change the calipers once, as well as an engine light issue.
I did find that the headlights and highbeams were pretty awful though, I had a hard time seeing at night.

If they still made Grand Ams, I would have bought another one.

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My last car was a silver Pontiac Grand Am GT1 Ram Air with hood scoops.

I loved that car so much and it lasted me until almost 400,000 kms. At the time I had to commute to work and was doing a fair bit of out of town travel on weekends.

I'd never had any major issues with it besides needing to balance the tires once and having to change the calipers once, as well as an engine light issue.
I did find that the headlights and highbeams were pretty awful though, I had a hard time seeing at night.

If they still made Grand Ams, I would have bought another one.

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I had one too, but not a GT, regular model with a V6, also silver, great car. I bought it when it was a year old, back when there were lots of 1 year old cars available at a good price.
 
Planning on getting the pontiac g8 with the v6 as my next daily. How bad are the timing chain issues? Is it still worth it getting these days. I would get the timing chain replaced soon as it get it, if I do end up pulling the trigger.
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The G8 was the Holden Commodore, which also was the base of the Ute SS.

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