Polling has changed….

[mandrill]

I really expected the race to tighten up more.

No signs of it doing so. In fact, there is a slight tendency for the LPC to pull away even more.

Maybe this one won't be close.

Here's my theory. Politics in Canada is like a dude (or lady) who has a series of marriages. They each last about 10 years. Initially the spouse is passionately attracted to the candidate and party and rewards him / it with large majorities. The attraction fades and the majorities become minority coalitions. And then eventually the electorate becomes angry, disillusioned and dismissive and falls in love with another candidate and the other political party.

And the process repeats over another 10 years. There's no real rhyme or reason. But the process just does the process over and over - essentially ever since Justin's dad was ousted in the 1980's.

This year was the year that Justin was going to be rejected and divorced and Pee was going to be married to Canada. But Pee's support was soft and when a new potential PM-husband came along who said nicer things and seemed to fit the mood and moment better than Pee, Pee too was rejected. Carney is the guy who's captured the popular imagination and the Libs have gamed the 10 year cycle successfully by ditching old husband Justin and enlisting hot new husband Carney.

I think that's the election. Pee no longer fits the mood. There's little Pee-substance - i.e. policies or accomplishments - to make his support harder or more tenacious. He just doesn't fit in any more and he's fated to be a sad cuckold ditched at what should have been the altar of his own betrothal.

 

[WyattEarp]

Obviously, you did not read the link that I posted from oracle's quote not so long ago.
What have the Conservatives really stood for all along? They voted against building more affordable housing. They voted against affordable Childcare to help more women to get into the workforce. They voted against Dental care. Their leader will not have any reporters on his transport to his campaigns. Then and only then are four selective reporters allowed to answer questions. Least transparent dude in line with the previous Conservative PM!!

Progressives only see a life-affirming world where government shapes the society and does more and more things. According to their philosophy, opting to not have the government do more and more things is evidence of a political philosophy without merit and substance.

Basically, you told us that the Conservatives didn't support things you support. That itself doesn't answer my question.

I'm more interested in what Carney's agenda is......how and if he is communicating it.

 

[DesRicardo]

I don't know man.

Some of these polls have Liberals sweeping Mississauga. Not the vibe I'm getting out here.

 

[WyattEarp]

You and Kirk are pulling each other's puds and smiling happily in a universe all your own.

You're an angry guy. You periodically feel compelled to push past the boundaries of civility and push the limits of the forum's own rules.

I really expected the race to tighten up more.

Hmm.......Val got a completely different response in tone and substance.

 

[WyattEarp]

No signs of it doing so. In fact, there is a slight tendency for the LPC to pull away even more.

Maybe this one won't be close.

Here's my theory. Politics in Canada is like a dude (or lady) who has a series of marriages. They each last about 10 years. Initially the spouse is passionately attracted to the candidate and party and rewards him / it with large majorities. The attraction fades and the majorities become minority coalitions. And then eventually the electorate becomes angry, disillusioned and dismissive and falls in love with another candidate and the other political party.

And the process repeats over another 10 years. There's no real rhyme or reason. But the process just does the process over and over - essentially ever since Justin's dad was ousted in the 1980's.

This year was the year that Justin was going to be rejected and divorced and Pee was going to be married to Canada. But Pee's support was soft and when a new potential PM-husband came along who said nicer things and seemed to fit the mood and moment better than Pee, Pee too was rejected. Carney is the guy who's captured the popular imagination and the Libs have gamed the 10 year cycle successfully by ditching old husband Justin and enlisting hot new husband Carney.

I think that's the election. Pee no longer fits the mood. There's little Pee-substance - i.e. policies or accomplishments - to make his support harder or more tenacious. He just doesn't fit in any more and he's fated to be a sad cuckold ditched at what should have been the altar of his own betrothal.

Doesn't the anti-Trump sentiment enter into the equation? You might not want to acknowledge Trump's influence on the election, but it seems like I have been reading here that Carney is the man to deal with Trump.

Using your marriage analogy above, couldn't it be described as a trial separation and then you hear from your friends that the dating pool is scary. Thus you run back into your unhappy marriage. Just a different thought.

 

[mandrill]

You're an angry guy. You periodically feel compelled to push past the boundaries of civility and push the limits of the forum's own rules.




Hmm.......Val got a completely different response in tone and substance.

Learn to take a colourful joke and not be self important.

 

[mandrill]

Doesn't the anti-Trump sentiment enter into the equation? You might not want to acknowledge Trump's influence on the election, but it seems like I have been reading here that Carney is the man to deal with Trump.

Using your marriage analogy above, couldn't it be described as a trial separation and then you hear from your friends that the dating pool is scary. Thus you run back into your unhappy marriage. Just a different thought.

If that was the case, Pee would still be the more attractive of the 2 candidates and would be husband material again as soon as he made some generic statements about "standing up to the mean Americans".

But these statements have had no impact on the election. Indeed, Carney appears to move more and more out of range.

Outside AB / SK and the hardcore Tory base vote, Pee's support is very soft and depended on the voters using him to voice their "Justin Fatigue". No Justin, no need to Pee.

 

[mandrill]

I don't know man.

Some of these polls have Liberals sweeping Mississauga. Not the vibe I'm getting out here.

Could be a 25% Tory voting base that is very vocal?

 

[mandrill]

Progressives only see a life-affirming world where government shapes the society and does more and more things. According to their philosophy, opting to not have the government do more and more things is evidence of a political philosophy without merit and substance.

Nah. We just hate social services being cut to give tax cuts to rich donors, and little pricks who want to re open the abortion issue.

Latest from Pee: - He's going to bring the "3 strikes law" to Canada. Anyone who is convicted of 3 criminal offences gets automatic life in jail / minimum 10 years without parole. Minimum sentences have been repeatedly struck down by the SCC and this one would be as well. It's just repugnant pandering to his angry blue collar base. No sophisticated person can possibly be impressed by this horse shit.

Also Pee was photographed chatting to one of his far right buddies from the KKKonvoy. That's well outside the acceptable mainstream for leadership behaviour to most Canadians.

He's basically just a little shit-chunk pretending to be a politician.

Carney's platform???... Why would I GAF?!

I know Pee's platform and it makes my puke up my lunch. It's a personalities election and Pee is like eating a ham sandwich where the ham has gone off and tastes nasty and weird.

 

[WyattEarp]

Latest from Pee: - He's going to bring the "3 strikes law" to Canada. Anyone who is convicted of 3 criminal offences gets automatic life in jail / minimum 10 years without parole. Minimum sentences have been repeatedly struck down by the SCC and this one would be as well. It's just repugnant pandering to his angry blue collar base. No sophisticated person can possibly be impressed by this horse shit.

Things have shifted to a more pro-law and order stance here in the U.S. after flirting with various degrees of increased judicial tolerance and pulling back enforcement.

Your argument sounds like those on American Left relative to Republicans. Basically, the Republican's are exaggerating the problem.

First, I think that's the Left underestimating the average voter's ability to discern issues in their communities. Basically, Republicans/Conservative are sensing disenchantment with the judicial system and reacting to them. Whether we like it or not, part of democratic politics is trying to deliver action that the electorate wants.

Just as importantly, we have seen voter propositions, prosecutor recalls and defeats that had nothing to do with Republican initiatives and political power. Some of these electoral decisions were in solidly blue districts.

 

[WyattEarp]

Learn to take a colourful joke and not be self important.

Gosh, I didn't know that was a Canadian joke. My apologies.

Here's mud in your eye and to pulling your pud Mandrill!

 

[WyattEarp]

Carney's platform???... Why would I GAF?!

I know Pee's platform and it makes my puke up my lunch. It's a personalities election and Pee is like eating a ham sandwich where the ham has gone off and tastes nasty and weird.

Snap elections don't really sound like a sign of deep strength to me.

It would seem that Carney believes his chances are better now with the focus on Trump and tariffs. Waiting longer could bring the Liberal party's record over the last ten years back into focus.

 

[mandrill]

Things have shifted to a more pro-law and order stance here in the U.S. after flirting with various degrees of increased judicial tolerance and pulling back enforcement.

Your argument sounds like those on American Left relative to Republicans. Basically, the Republican's are exaggerating the problem.

First, I think that's the Left underestimating the average voter's ability to discern issues in their communities. Basically, Republicans/Conservative are sensing disenchantment with the judicial system and reacting to them. Whether we like it or not, part of democratic politics is trying to deliver action that the electorate wants.

Just as importantly, we have seen voter propositions, prosecutor recalls and defeats that had nothing to do with Republican initiatives and political power. Some of these electoral decisions were in solidly blue districts.

Unlike myself, you have little insight and understanding of the criminal justice system and that often interferes with your ability to deal with the issues.

A blanket minimum sentence rarely meets the requirements of justice. The SCC has discussed this in many of it rulings striking down minimums. More people should read those decisions and attempt to understand them. Many, many judges have written on this topic. But of course, an angry, conservative-voting high school drop out who supports the CPC or GOP is far wiser than the entire Bench. I believe the wise Lauren Boebert made similar comments only yesterday. Always well worth heeding, that Lauren Boebert.

It's facile to stir up unjustified anger at courts and harness that anger to gain votes and political standing. The Right does that far too much and Pee is attempting the same dishonest and despicable play.

But thanks for your contribution to this thread anyway. Always valued.

 

[mandrill]

Snap elections don't really sound like a sign of deep strength to me.

It would seem that Carney believes his chances are better now with the focus on Trump and tariffs. Waiting longer could bring the Liberal party's record over the last ten years back into focus.

IIRC, weren't CPC critics attacking Carney for NOT holding an immediate election only last month?

Of course, that was back when righties thought that they would win the election and not get their asses kicked. How quickly they changed their tune!

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

I reminded of the time a reporter asked then-British prime minister Harold Macmillan what the greatest challenge is that a politician faces.

"Events, dear boy, events."

 

[WyattEarp]

Unlike myself, you have little insight and understanding of the criminal justice system and that often interferes with your ability to deal with the issues.

A blanket minimum sentence rarely meets the requirements of justice. The SCC has discussed this in many of it rulings striking down minimums. More people should read those decisions and attempt to understand them.

Many, many judges have written on this topic. But of course, an angry, conservative-voting high school drop out who supports the CPC or GOP is far wiser than the entire Bench. I believe the wise Lauren Boebert made similar comments only yesterday. Always well worth heeding, that Lauren Boebert.

It's facile to stir up unjustified anger at courts and harness that anger to gain votes and political standing. The Right does that far too much and Pee is attempting the same dishonest and despicable play.

Of course, you have more insight into the criminal justice system. Let's just say I have more faith in the electorate to evaluate crime and other matters within their communities.

I always think the argument that Conservatives are hoodwinking people is an ideological crutch. "But how could anyone have a different opinion on a matter than me? It must be because they are misinformed."

 

[WyattEarp]

IIRC, weren't CPC critics attacking Carney for NOT holding an immediate election only last month?

Of course, that was back when righties thought that they would win the election and not get their asses kicked. How quickly they changed their tune!

But the CPC doesn't decide when to have an immediate election.
I'm not picking on only Carney. It's the nature of snap elections.

Are you going to try to tell us that Trump and tariffs have nothing to do with the snap election?

 

[mandrill]

Of course, you have more insight into the criminal justice system. Let's just say I have more faith in the electorate to evaluate crime and other matters within their communities.

Why?

You really think some guy reading the Toronto Sun and getting angry has a better handle on crime in this city than a criminal court judge?

What would lead you to such a bizarre conclusion?

 

[mandrill]

But the CPC doesn't decide when to have an immediate election.
I'm not picking on only Carney. It's the nature of snap elections.

Are you going to try to tell us that Trump and tariffs have nothing to do with the snap election?

I think the election was called because Pee was making an issue of Carney delaying calling an election.

 

[WyattEarp]

I think the election was called because Pee was making an issue of Carney delaying calling an election.

You don't believe that. Politicians don't take action because their opponent challenges them to take action.

Unless of course, Carney is now a very special and unique politician.