Polite Canadian gets Pepper Sprayed

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'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1351216

I'm with the border guard on this one. The driver sounds like an asshole, wouldn't turn off the car, and with the engine running it could be considered a deadly weapon.

The basic rule of thumb is you don't play games at the border, no matter what country you are going into.
 
skypilot said:
'Say please' at U. S. border nets pepper spray
Canadian traveller says demand for politeness met with use of force

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1351216

I'm with the border guard on this one. The driver sounds like an asshole, wouldn't turn off the car, and with the engine running it could be considered a deadly weapon.

The basic rule of thumb is you don't play games at the border, no matter what country you are going into.
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I entirely agree, Mr. Fortunato is an idiot! You have very limited rights at any international border. Was the USCBP Agent less than genteel, in not saying please - I've experienced it before going both ways across the border. Was the agent rude in not saying please - brusque is more like it.

Should Mr. Fortunato want experience real fun and games I suggest he do some true international traveling to places where they have mirrors placed so that they can see what you have behind your back. What would he have done if they directed him to secondary inspection and rolled mirrors under the car.

Crossing any border is like reversion to first grade (12th form) you say “yes sir”, and “no ma’am” even when they are 20 years younger than you are, not “unless you say please first, I won’t do it!”
 
Yeah, there is a BIG difference between: excuse me officer, could you be a little more polite? Than "say please"........

Guy got what he deserved.....
 
Most US border guards are fucking assholes in my experience. I wouldn't even attempt to treat one as a fellow human, let alone wind one up.
 
mmouse said:
Most US border guards are fucking assholes in my experience. I wouldn't even attempt to treat one as a fellow human, let alone wind one up.
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I agree, then again the same is true of a fair number of other customs and immigration agencies around the world. Then again when we get exasperated, think would you want to be known as the jackass who let the terrorist, mass murderer, child rapist . . . . into the country?
 
he might be an idiot but he was pepper sprayed for no reason.
 
red said:
he might be an idiot but he was pepper sprayed for no reason.
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American border guards are pompous, undertrained idiots, just like canadian
cops. Too much power, too little training;
 
danmand said:
American border guards are pompous, undertrained idiots, just like canadian
cops. Too much power, too little training;
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they are all the same. and apparently we as a democracy are ok with bullies pushing innocent citizens around.
 
red said:
they are all the same. and apparently we as a democracy are ok with bullies pushing innocent citizens around.
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Yup, we are. I have no problem with cops and other security forces. Then, I don't act like a jackass to them. Those 'innocent' people usually deserve it. Like this clown.
 
Hangman said:
Yup, we are. I have no problem with cops and other security forces. Then, I don't act like a jackass to them. Those 'innocent' people usually deserve it. Like this clown.
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good for you. stick up for your right to be pushed around and pepper sprayed.
 
red said:
good for you. stick up for your right to be pushed around and pepper sprayed.
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Pepper sprayed? soon all the cops will have tasers.
 
He should have complied with the order, and then filed a complaint about the officer's rudeness; or after being cleared by customs only then demanded to speak with a manager about the officers behavior.
 
red said:
good for you. stick up for your right to be pushed around and pepper sprayed.
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I think you missed my point. I DON'T GET PUSHED AROUND AND PEPPER-SPRAYED. Idiots who antagonize the police do. Then, if they're still acting like idiots, they get tased. Its really easy to NOT get pepper-sprayed, you know.
 
fuji said:
He should have complied with the order, and then filed a complaint about the officer's rudeness; or after being cleared by customs only then demanded to speak with a manager about the officers behavior.
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yes. thats right. there is no doubt the individual was an idiot but he did not deserve to be pepper sprayed.
 
Hangman said:
I think you missed my point. I DON'T GET PUSHED AROUND AND PEPPER-SPRAYED. Idiots who antagonize the police do. Then, if they're still acting like idiots, they get tased. Its really easy to NOT get pepper-sprayed, you know.
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I got your point, Mr. never-break-the-law-yes-sir-Mr.-Officer-sir guy. My point is that a law abiding citizen should not be subject to assault for being an idiot or for being rude.
 
vsailor said:
Yes, I agree..that is why I say "yes sir" when dealing with them...actually when I fly I try to avoid any connecting flights in the US!
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you say yes- sir because you are afraid of them. do you think thats right? should you have to be afraid of them? shouldn't you, as a law abiding citizen, be able to walk through customs without being afraid?
 
You're absolutely right. A law-abiding citizen should not get assaulted. However, this guy was not obeying the law, was he. Failing to follow the directions of a police officer or in this case, Homeland Security, IS ILLEGAL.

Or would you rather that people can just ignore the police and do whatever they please?
 
Hangman said:
You're absolutely right. A law-abiding citizen should not get assaulted. However, this guy was not obeying the law, was he. Failing to follow the directions of a police officer or in this case, Homeland Security, IS ILLEGAL.

Or would you rather that people can just ignore the police and do whatever they please?
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the person wasn't arrested or charged so I guess they didn't do anything illegal. I don't think people can do anything they please, but I think the same should be true of customs officer and police officers. I don't think that asking the officer to say please (yes- I agree it was stupid) warrants a physical response.
 
I know a lot about this as I was trucker

I have been arrested then unarrested twice.

How do you unarrest someone?

I bought a bottle at a USA health food store, the Canadian officer said it was cool, next time thru they did a random and saw the bottle

"Why did you not declare it"

"I declared it last time"

"Whats with your attitude"

"What attitutude? I told you I declared it last time? How does that give me an attitude Sir"

Into jail I go

"Can I go to the washroom first sir"

I go to the washroom with no body search???????????? I am under arrest at this point. Could have flushed a couple of keys if I wanted

They arrested me then spent hours going thru texts to see if it was legal

Nope not legal

$1000 fine and every time I go thru now I am a drug dealer

WTF????????????

they are supposed to be after the bad guys not wasting resource on my health store purchase even if it aint legal how do they have so much time to do something so trivial, I mean it is just one bottle??????????

They NEVER say please

they got the power and act like it

you are in the twillight zone legally here

so many dept to deal with

immigration laws, custom laws, etc

plus two customs

make sure there is not a roach in your car or USA will seize it (the car that is) and will not get it back


they are not all jerks but I sure do not like going thru there, on either side
 
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