Police misconduct

[rhuarc29]

I view these constant examples of inappropriate or illegal police behaviour as proof that the police system is a failure, not that all cops are bad/corrupt. Why? Because more often than not the officer committing the wrongdoing gets off with a slap on the wrist and returns to his position of authority.

Authority figures need to be held to the highest standard, because it's one hell of a slippery slope when they're not.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I view these constant examples of inappropriate or illegal police behaviour as proof that the police system is a failure, not that all cops are bad/corrupt. Why? Because more often than not the officer committing the wrongdoing gets off with a slap on the wrist and returns to his position of authority.

Authority figures need to be held to the highest standard, because it's one hell of a slippery slope when they're not.

That is the issue. There is no or little accountability for police. I think that fines, jail time, etc should all be doubled for police and I think this suspended with pay crap needs to go. I also think that we see more and more police misconduct because people now have the means to show it via social media, pics, video, etc.

I also think that more og the good cops need to start standing up against the bad ones.

 

[BlueLaser]

Because making uo imaginary cops that are congragulating this cop isnt speaking with bias but getting facts??? wow. what a joke

I didn't make up imaginary cops. First you didn't think I mentioned the partner, now you claim I'm invented cops. You need to learn to read. I said MAYBE there are others who agreed with him, I said how do we know there aren't. I never said they definitely exist. Either you can't read, or you're a troll. Which is it?

 

[Babypowder]

I didn't make up imaginary cops.

of course because in your simple mind. those officers you conjured up actually exist.,

 

[BlueLaser]

That is the issue. There is no or little accountability for police. I think that fines, jail time, etc should all be doubled for police and I think this suspended with pay crap needs to go. I also think that we see more and more police misconduct because people now have the means to show it via social media, pics, video, etc.

I also think that more og the good cops need to start standing up against the bad ones.

Suspended with pay is common in many jobs, and it's the government standard, pending the outcome of an investigation. This debate has been had before here and people obviously didn't understand. Remember Col (formerly) Williams? The Base Commander from Trenton charged with breaking into homes, rape and murder? He was suspended with pay until the trial finished, then fined to repay it. Standard practice for any government employee. The purpose is to avoid lawsuits for not paying them if they're found not guilty. In fact, my company suspends its employees with pay if we're suspected of breaking policy or procedure until such time as our investigation is complete, and that would be extended if we were determined to be so in the wrong that we are charged legally with something like negligence.

As for double punishment, isn't one of the fundamental tenets of our system that everyone is equal under the law? I get that many people don't allow police the presumption of innocence in their own minds so already they have dismissed one of the fundamental beliefs of our system, but we can't go creating separate punishments for one group over the other. That undermines the very principle.

Half this thread is about a cop arresting another. How much more "standing up against the bad ones" do you need than arresting them?

 

[BlueLaser]

of course because in your simple mind. those officers you conjured up actually exist.,

Yup, troll. I never said they existed, I said we don't know if they do or not, why assume they don't? Why not ask? But sure, call me simple. You have the reading comprehension skills of a 6 year old, but I'm the simple one.

Welcome to ignore.

 

[Babypowder]

we can't go creating separate punishments for one group over the other.

you are completely and totally lost.

 

[rhuarc29]

As for double punishment, isn't one of the fundamental tenets of our system that everyone is equal under the law? I get that many people don't allow police the presumption of innocence in their own minds so already they have dismissed one of the fundamental beliefs of our system, but we can't go creating separate punishments for one group over the other. That undermines the very principle.

So you agree we shouldn't find the act of killing a cop any more heinous than killing anyone else?

 

[fuji]

LA police handcuffed someone on suspicion that they might have been copping a feel in a parked car?

Holy fuck.

 

[MRBJX]

As for double punishment, isn't one of the fundamental tenets of our system that everyone is equal under the law? I get that many people don't allow police the presumption of innocence in their own minds so already they have dismissed one of the fundamental beliefs of our system, but we can't go creating separate punishments for one group over the other. That undermines the very principle.

Half this thread is about a cop arresting another. How much more "standing up against the bad ones" do you need than arresting them?

You need 2x as much. I think you are failing to see that people granted additional power ARE NOT fundamentally equal under the law. A real problem arises when those granted abuse their power, so no, they cannot be punished at the same level of a layman, but infact they must be held to a higher standard and punished to a higher degree for fucking over people.

 

[Aardvark154]

LA police handcuffed someone on suspicion that they might have been copping a feel in a parked car?

Holy fuck.

No LAPD handcuffed someone because after receiving numerous 'phone calls about a couple having sex in public: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-straddling-grinding-car-breasts-exposed.html When police arrived on scene (investigating a criminal complaint in which she was a suspect) she refused to identify herself.

As has been pointed out this is a violation of the law in both the U.S.A and Canada.

 

[Aardvark154]

You need 2x as much. I think you are failing to see that people granted additional power ARE NOT fundamentally equal under the law. A real problem arises when those granted abuse their power, so no, they cannot be punished at the same level of a layman, but infact they must be held to a higher standard and punished to a higher degree for fucking over people.

When you are elected to a state legislature or Parliament you can go about seeing if you can change the law.

My belief is that you will not be successful, but for heaven's sake give it a try.

 

[Julian]

Half this thread is about a cop arresting another. How much more "standing up against the bad ones" do you need than arresting them?

If that was the norm you might actually have a point...but considering it is the EXTREME exception to the rule, what does that tell you?

 

[oldjones]

My point is that with an officer involved shooting, what happened to innocent until proven guilty? What happened to benefit of the doubt? Sure, the victim deserved that same courtesy from the officer, but how do we know they didn't get it? Racing to conclusions isn't how we should treat people, anyone, whether they have a badge or not.

Nor should we race to conclusions and leap to slag the media, whose job it is to be first to report 'the news', not 'the slightly aged'. Brew another coffee, and check the next filing where the deficiencies of the first get corrected.

Better yet, stop trying to be on top of meaningless events in the 'entertainment world' a continent away and resolve that you'll wait for factual stories about meaningful events to come out. So stuff like this can wither and die as another bit of star-silliness in a far-away city with a long history of police misconduct to overcome, without you ever being aware.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Suspended with pay is common in many jobs, and it's the government standard, pending the outcome of an investigation. This debate has been had before here and people obviously didn't understand. Remember Col (formerly) Williams? The Base Commander from Trenton charged with breaking into homes, rape and murder? He was suspended with pay until the trial finished, then fined to repay it. Standard practice for any government employee. The purpose is to avoid lawsuits for not paying them if they're found not guilty. In fact, my company suspends its employees with pay if we're suspected of breaking policy or procedure until such time as our investigation is complete, and that would be extended if we were determined to be so in the wrong that we are charged legally with something like negligence.

As for double punishment, isn't one of the fundamental tenets of our system that everyone is equal under the law? I get that many people don't allow police the presumption of innocence in their own minds so already they have dismissed one of the fundamental beliefs of our system, but we can't go creating separate punishments for one group over the other. That undermines the very principle.

Half this thread is about a cop arresting another. How much more "standing up against the bad ones" do you need than arresting them?

You can have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry but I don't agree. It is not that I don't understand the reasoning for Suspended with pay and yes, I know Williams. I met him a very times. I still have my opinion. Please don't presume to imply ignorance or lack of understanding to a differing opinion. It is none of that. I get it, I don't agree. Just as he was fined to replay it all when had no fucking money left, it could have all been held in an account and given if someone was found not guilty.

And yes, I believe in a tier system. We have it already for repeat offenders, this would be nothing different. But please again, stop putting words in my mouth with your assumptions. I don't say that cops are automatically guilty.

You seems to like to argue your points in a very strange way of lying, assumption and presumption on the about the others sides points. I can not debate with someone like that. Not to mention everything you were busted for lying about in another thread. I have no interest in debating with you period.

My opinion is my opinion and not because of lack of knowledge, understanding or anything of the sort. You can follow your lead with Babypowder and put me on ignore too. Thanks!

 

[Babypowder]

No LAPD handcuffed someone because after receiving numerous 'phone calls about a couple having sex in public: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-straddling-grinding-car-breasts-exposed.html When police arrived on scene (investigating a criminal complaint in which she was a suspect) she refused to identify herself.

As has been pointed out this is a violation of the law in both the U.S.A and Canada.

CA is a not a stop and identify state. they didnt charge her with any thing so she didnt need to id her self. so basically she WAS cuffed for kissing her bf

 

[Aardvark154]

CA is a not a stop and identify state. they didnt charge her with any thing so she didnt need to id her self. so basically she WAS cuffed for kissing her bf

You are confused. This was not a stop and identify situation, they were investigating a crime, she was a suspect. Just because police decide not to charge you doesn't mean that you aren't a suspect in a crime, and yes they can ask you to identify yourself.

 

[Aardvark154]

Daniele Watts doubles down.

"Los Angeles, Sandy Cohen, Associated Press

An actress who was detained by Los Angeles police is refusing to apologize for claiming race played a role in the incident, despite calls from local civil rights leaders.

Daniele Watts issued a statement late Friday through her publicist after civil rights activists demanded that she apologize for suggesting she was handcuffed for kissing her white boyfriend in public.

Watts and boyfriend Brian Lucas were questioned last week by officers investigating a report of lewd conduct in a parked car. Watts, who is black, refused to provide identification. She was briefly handcuffed until police identified her.

The incident went viral after she and Lucas claimed on their Facebook pages that the detention reflected racial profiling.

Earl Ofari Hutchinson, who initially rallied behind the actress, said she "cried wolf" in this instance.

"I was one that was very outspoken about it," he told reporters. "We take racial profiling very seriously. It's not a play thing. It's not trivial."

Watts made no mention of race in her statement, but she maintained that she wasn't obligated to present identification to police. "It is a constitutional right that we do not have to present ID to any member of law enforcement unless we are being charged with a crime," she said.

A Los Angeles Police spokeswoman said Friday the department had no response to Watts' statement.

Watts' publicist, Bill McCoy, said she is not planning to take further action."

Hmm, wonder if she spends much time at Holiday Inn Express?

Sarcasm aside, listen to the following press conference by various Civil Rights spokesmen:

http://abc7.com/entertainment/daniele-watts-owes-apology-to-lapd-civil-rights-leaders-say/316218/

 

[Babypowder]

You are confused. This was not a stop and identify situation, they were investigating a crime, she was a suspect. Just because police decide not to charge you doesn't mean that you aren't a suspect in a crime, and yes they can ask you to identify yourself.

and unless she is being charged or cited with something, which she wasnt she did not have to id her self. you are confused

 

[Aardvark154]

and unless she is being charged or cited with something, which she wasnt she did not have to id her self. you are confused

I don't know about Oagre, RLD etc. . . but sometimes when police are either kind or have a warped sense of humor, when someone who has been arrested for DWI is refusing to cooperate in the wee hours of the morning and says I'm friends with/am related to a lawyer they will say fine what's their name, do they live around here.

So at 1:30 or so in the morning you get a phone call which usually goes along the lines of (slurred of course): This is Bob, the cops have arrested me, they say I have to answer the questions on this form and take an alcohol test. I know they're trying to expletive trick me I have a right not to incriminate myself. I wanted to call you because I'm going to sue these expletive liars. To which the other part of the conversation goes along the lines of: Bob, be quiet and listen to me - are you listening. Answer the questions, take the test unless you want your license suspended for a year on top of what you may get if convicted. When they are done with the test, they will ask you more questions those you can refuse to answer but YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE TEST.


In this instance the bold case letters are when you being investigated as a suspect in a crime the police can ask you to identify yourself, if you refuse to do so, they can detain you until they are satisfied as to your identity.