Polanski attitudes poll

[mandrill]

It is an agreed fact that Mr. Polanski annally, orally and vaginally RAPED a 13 year old girl. It is not complicated.

It is very simple..... if you accept without question that she is 100% honest. Like everyone else who ever goes to court.

 

[gramage]

It is very simple..... if you accept without question that she is 100% honest. Like everyone else who ever goes to court.

Or you accept that he didn't perjure himself when he pleaded guilty.

 

[mandrill]

Or you accept that he didn't perjure himself when he pleaded guilty.

He didn't admit the rape. Just intercourse with a minor. And he was doing indefinite pre trial time and was a prime target for jailhouse "justice".

Maybe some of us would have pleaded out quickly as well.

 

[Rockslinger]

He didn't admit the rape. Just intercourse with a minor.

Intercourse with a minor is stautory RAPE. RAPE by any other name is still RAPE! In some U.S. states, sodomy is (or was) illegal, regardless of age.

How can any decent person defend this piece of shit?

 

[Asterix]

Or you accept that he didn't perjure himself when he pleaded guilty.

What? I wasn't aware that pleading guilty to a crime you didn't commit was a form of perjury. Speaking in general terms btw, not Polanski.

 

[danmand]

He didn't admit the rape. Just intercourse with a minor. And he was doing indefinite pre trial time and was a prime target for jailhouse "justice".

Maybe some of us would have pleaded out quickly as well.

That is an important point. If he pleaded guilty to something as part of a plea bargaining
deal, that the court subsequently reneges on, I would imagine that the guilty plea is
null and void also. At least it should be.

Based on what we know... "Polanski had given her a tablet of the powerful tranquilizing drug Quaalude. The director then raped the girl and forced her to commit various sex acts with him". It has been reported that this included oral, vaginal and anal penetration... This being the case, I doubt any decent thinking person would say anything BUT lock him up and throw away the key.

Well, I think he should be given a fair trial before you do that. Nothing has been proven in a court of law.

 

[gramage]

What? I wasn't aware that pleading guilty to a crime you didn't commit was a form of perjury. Speaking in general terms btw, not Polanski.

well it is lying under oath isn't it? Am I to believe he lied then when he thought the best he could do was a short jail sentence, or lying now when he thinks he can get away with it?

 

[Cycleguy007]

Well, I think he should be given a fair trial before you do that. Nothing has been proven in a court of law.

Precisely why I said "this being the case"... Let him have his day in court- THEN lock him up and throw away the key!

 

[doggee_01]

But capital punishment is not used for child rapist in the USA believe it or not. They tried but the supreme court shot it down.

pity!

 

[Asterix]

well it is lying under oath isn't it? Am I to believe he lied then when he thought the best he could do was a short jail sentence, or lying now when he thinks he can get away with it?

It isn't a form of perjury. Any person can plead whatever they like regardless if they are guilty or not. Many people plead guilty as part of a plea deal or if they think they can't win given the situation, especially if they can't afford decent representation. Again, I'm not talking about Polanski I'm referring to how the system works.

 

[danmand]

well it is lying under oath isn't it? Am I to believe he lied then when he thought the best he could do was a short jail sentence, or lying now when he thinks he can get away with it?

It is called plea bargaining, widely used in north america. Every day, hundreds of
ontarians plead guilty to a minor offence in traffic court in order to avoid being
charged with a more serious offence.

 

[Cycleguy007]

It is called plea bargaining, widely used in North America. Every day, hundreds of Ontarians plead guilty to a minor offense in traffic court in order to avoid being charged with a more serious offense.

A fundamental flaw in our legal system IMHO...

 

[danmand]

A fundamental flaw in our legal system IMHO...

I completely agree.

 

[gramage]

ok confused now isn't part of pleading guilty admitting that you did what you've been charged with? You may not get charged with perjury for pleading guilty for something you didn't do, but you can't plead guilty without admitting to the charges.

 

[Don]

Ha. Woody Allen is among Polanski's supporters. What a surprise!

http://us.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/29/polanski.filmmakers.protest/index.html

 

[S.C. Joe]

Yeah child rapists tend to stick together, lol.


What about him fleeing Justice, right there he should be charged with a crime and go to jail for a few years.

 

[Asterix]

ok confused now isn't part of pleading guilty admitting that you did what you've been charged with? You may not get charged with perjury for pleading guilty for something you didn't do, but you can't plead guilty without admitting to the charges.

You're confusing entering a plea with testimony under oath. You can enter any plea you bloody well please. By your logic every person who entered a plea of not guilty and was then subsequently convicted, should have a charge of perjury immediately tacked on.

 

[doggee_01]

i can't believe 25% of the people on here don't think he should be extradited!

 

[Patch Adams]

i can't believe 25% of the people on here don't think he should be extradited!

Oh! Extradited...... I thought it said executed.

 

[Aardvark154]

It is illegal to RAPE women of any age, (except maybe in France or Poland or in Allenland).

The point Rockslinger is if the 16 or 26 or 30 year old says NO, that is rape. However if the 15 year old says, yes, yes, Hell yes! And tells you she is 17 it is still Statutory Rape. There is a difference, and to many people it is problematic that the mistake in age, even if the girl is misleading is NOT an excuse in law. It may go to mitigation of sentence but not to guilt!