On another note, I truly believe most LE don't really give a shit, about this idiodic bill. This has most certainly been voiced by Mtl LE.
please explain it to me
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+++1 and free demonstrationstop stressing ... I'm giving away free sex with the purchase of every condom... a steal at $280 bucks each
joyride!Well that is the ultimate question. If they decide to go after prostitution none of the tricks mentioned here will save you. If they decide not to enforce it at all then no tricks will be needed.
What happens remains to be seen but they certainly would not have any trouble convicting someone claiming that paypal isn't cash or that the money was for the condom.
LE dont really give a shit about this idiodic bill. and dont forget also, they dont really give a shit about you. or if you go through the justice system's grinder....
Not really, and they wouldn't do that. They can get your financial records for less than the cost of a cup of coffee once they have a warrant, they do it all day long on child support cases which covers many more people than the adult industry.
The cost of the lawyer assigned to prosecute you is far higher than the cost of pulling banking or PayPal records. If the cost of the prosecutor doesn't stop them the cost of executing an electronic warrant sure as hell won't.
They would never get a warrant to go on an industry wide fishing expedition looking for violations. They would easily get a warrant when they already had found a client with a suspected escort and were trying to prove that particular case. The warrant would also cover your emails, text messages, etc.
Having established that a woman is an escort they would have no problem getting a warrant to find out who has been paying her through banking, PayPal, etc., as they have probable cause to suspect the transactions are crimes by the senders.
You know what Fugi, somehow we'll figure it out. This particular Trade is not going away very soon.
It is my understanding that Bill C-36 will also target good Johns, even if the escort does not file a complaint. So, both good and bad Johns will be treated as criminals (collective punishment).
Question: Does Bill C-36 contain a mandatory "whistleblower" provision? For example, if you suspect that Larry down the street is paying for sexual services, do you have a legal obligation to report him to the police?
Agreed. These electronic payment schemes seem a bit too convoluted to me, leaving a permanent electronic trail where cash would leave none.
Absolutely. But we need to figure it out with our eyes open to the actual power C36 gives to the police. Your point that we do not know how heavy handed the enforcement will be is a good one (and likely answered differently in Toronto vs York Region vs Edmonton) the idea that it is somehow easy to avoid prosecution with a few winks and nudges, "the money was for the condkm", etc., is naive in the extreme, as is the notion that the police cannot track electronic money transfers.
And significantly the electronic trail allows police to prove the transaction after the fact, whereas with cash they would have to bust in and find it on the night table.
So by using PayPal or direct deposit you are making it easier for the police to prove guilt in the event that they find your name in an email conversation or an appointment book.
On a cash basis you could raise a reasonable doubt as to whether you went through with it or backed out, but with electronic proof of payment proving indisputably that you did pay for the service it is a bit more grim.
One thing people are not grokking is that the current laws all require you to be caught red handed, actually "found in" the in call by the police, not found to have previously been in.
But as I understand it under the new law since the transaction itself is now criminal after the fact evidence can convict you if they can prove the payment was for a sexual service.
If any of that involves email, text messages, bank or PayPal transactions then the police will have it.your post screams "I haven't got a clue how a provider deals with her finances, communication or client list !!" lol
you also, obviously, have no idea what an intelligent provider or business owner might change in order to comply with the changes to the law.
Note that under our current laws these things are all irrelevant to an investigation because the transaction itself is not currently illegal. Under c36 those things all become material evidence of a crime.
So I don't think the way providers CURRENTLY manage their communications or their appointments or their finances is very relevant. C36 will change how providers should do that, with a much heavier emphasis on anonymized methods.
As for me, I'll be counting on some of my well reviewed regulars, who have obviously prepared themselves, for this event. And I also believe that LE's main focus will still
be on trafficing and pimps.
Most agencies and spa owners know about C-36 and have consulted with lawyers. There was a big meeting during the summer where all the major agencies got together with legal council.
Funny thing is they don't seem all that worried.
You clearly haven't been paying attention...
The TERB server has been out of Canada for months... even when C-36 is law TERB will still be here.
It is illegal in Ireland to advertise sexual services, so advertisers just moved their servers off shore where Irish law does not apply.
Irish Anti-sex work lobbies have been trying for years to shut these sites down and have gotton nowhere. The same thing will happen here.
