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[Kautilya]

wrong....not everyone that voted trump automatically falls under the category....how do you think he beat Hilary in the states Hilary was suppose to mop the floor with Trump? Because there are also Bernie supporters that rather have Trump than Hilary, UFC also made it political when they keep bringing in Trump...Dana said it himself. He will help Trump with all the resources he has because he thinks he's the best candidate out there....I don't think Trump is the best for the US....Heck I though he was done after losing to Biden....the left kept hounding him and Trump's ego will not let it go. That's his nature....Remember the first time he ran for president? It's because of the lefty crowd egging him on....they created the monster they fear most... Trump is the boogeyman for the left....

You are right on Bernie supporters voting for Trump out of spite. But spite is the operative word. They voted for Trump because they hated Hillary, not because they loved Trump. We are not talking about these "defectors". Who is the typical demographic Trump appeals to? Righties!

And Dana helping Trump, makes Dana a rightie. Not the UFC. There are many righties in the UFC as is the case with any combat sport. But the organization itself partners with woke organizations, has LGBTQ fighters etc., They also invite Zuckerberg. Does that make it woke now? No. If the UFC was political or religious then they would act like the EFC (Eagle Fighting Championships - Khabib's promotion), where they dont allow ring girls or female fighters - because Islam. Separate the business from the individual.

 

[richaceg]

You are right on Bernie supporters voting for Trump out of spite. But spite is the operative word. They voted for Trump because they hated Hillary, not because they loved Trump. We are not talking about these "defectors". Who is the typical demographic Trump appeals to? Righties!

And Dana helping Trump, makes Dana a rightie. Not the UFC. There are many righties in the UFC as is the case with any combat sport. But the organization itself partners with woke organizations, has LGBTQ fighters etc., They also invite Zuckerberg. Does that make it woke now? No. If the UFC was political or religious then they would act like the EFC (Eagle Fighting Championships - Khabib's promotion), where they dont allow ring girls or female fighters - because Islam. Separate the business from the individual.

we can do all these mental gymnastics, the point here is that, voters pick who they'd rather in bed with in the white house than Hilary....I'm going to vote Peepee next election, you will automatically call me a rightie? despite voting Trudeau twice? votes swing both ways....sure there are solid right or left voters but there are also swing voters....you throw around racial epithets on some posters here but you kinda paint certain people one way just because....

 

[Kautilya]

we can do all these mental gymnastics, the point here is that, voters pick who they'd rather in bed with in the white house than Hilary....I'm going to vote Peepee next election, you will automatically call me a rightie? despite voting Trudeau twice? votes swing both ways....sure there are solid right or left voters but there are also swing voters....you throw around racial epithets on some posters here but you kinda paint certain people one way just because....

Slightly long post once again - read through before you respond.

Canada isn't as polarized as the US is. Canadians wanting to vote for PP is because they dont want more of the same that they have had for 10 years. And PP is more like an American democrat anyway - so you are really voting for a "Biden" when you vote for PP. Trudeau and PP, on the political spectrum, are also not that far away, so it is easy for a Canadian to swing between the Liberals and the CPC.

This is not the case with the US. Trump's base, supporting him, is undoubtedly right wing - far right wing at that. There are no "lefties" in the US, who would vote for Trump because it is such a huge ideological shift.

Bernie supporters voting for Trump amounted to about 10% of Bernie's supporters. Studies have been conducted on them and they found the following:

a) They were populists. Trump's core rightie base are also populists.
b) They are older and white.
c) They are conservative on racial and social issues. In a study conducted they actually rated POC, immigrants and LGBTQ people negatively.
d) They supported free trade as opposed to Bernie's protectionism.
e) They found that Sander's appealed to them due to his outsider status - similar to Trump.
f) They did not like Obama as opposed to Hillary voters.

So really the Sanders-Trump voters as they are called, are once again, RIGHTIES!!

So what differentiates their initial support for Sanders as opposed to Trump? Authoritarianism. Sanders-Trump voters are less likely to be as authoritarian as Trump's core base but it didnt matter enough for them to not defect. That is the defining characteristic or personality trait of Trumps core base. People who are AUTHORITARIAN form Trumps core base. That is why Trump is so dangerous.

 

[richaceg]

Slightly long post once again - read through before you respond.

Canada isn't as polarized as the US is. Canadians wanting to vote for PP is because they dont want more of the same that they have had for 10 years. And PP is more like an American democrat anyway - so you are really voting for a "Biden" when you vote for PP. Trudeau and PP, on the political spectrum, are also not that far away, so it is easy for a Canadian to swing between the Liberals and the CPC.

This is not the case with the US. Trump's base, supporting him, is undoubtedly right wing - far right wing at that. There are no "lefties" in the US, who would vote for Trump because it is such a huge ideological shift.

Bernie supporters voting for Trump amounted to about 10% of Bernie's supporters. Studies have been conducted on them and they found the following:

a) They were populists. Trump's core rightie base are also populists.
b) They are older and white.
c) They are conservative on racial and social issues. In a study conducted they actually rated POC, immigrants and LGBTQ people negatively.
d) They supported free trade as opposed to Bernie's protectionism.
e) They found that Sander's appealed to them due to his outsider status - similar to Trump.
f) They did not like Obama as opposed to Hillary voters.

So really the Sanders-Trump voters as they are called, are once again, RIGHTIES!!

So what differentiates their initial support for Sanders as opposed to Trump? Authoritarianism. Sanders-Trump voters are less likely to be as authoritarian as Trump's core base but it didnt matter enough for them to not defect. That is the defining characteristic or personality trait of Trumps core base. People who are AUTHORITARIAN form Trumps core base. That is why Trump is so dangerous.

Wrong in so many points....there is generational shifts and it has been proven time and again...your so called Righties - the old and white are no longer relevant...get on with the times. I won't argue with you about Trump's "core base" because you could be right.....but there are left , right and then there are the swing... should we automatically label the swing right or left depending on their votes? fuck no....

Why are Black voters backing Donald Trump in record numbers?

Latest polls show 17 percent of Black voters would vote for former president today – more than twice the number in 2016.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Kautilya]

Wrong in so many points....there is generational shifts and it has been proven time and again...your so called Righties - the old and white are no longer relevant...get on with the times. I won't argue with you about Trump's "core base" because you could be right.....but there are left , right and then there are the swing... should we automatically label the swing right or left depending on their votes? fuck no....

Why are Black voters backing Donald Trump in record numbers?

Latest polls show 17 percent of Black voters would vote for former president today – more than twice the number in 2016.

www.aljazeera.com

I did not say old and white are righties. I said the Sanders-Trump voters, are righties, who are old and white. Being a rightie has nothing to do with race, although typically they are white.

There are no lefties who support Trump. Trump's polices are far right. There is no question about that. Therefore you'd vote for Trump if you agreed with those policies. And agreeing with far right policy positions, makes the person far right too. Aka a "rightie". Even if they had a history of voting for lefties, if they currently vote for Trump, it simply means their political positions have changed. They have become righties.

I would agree with you if you were to talk about voters swinging between Trudeau and PP. They are not that far off in their politics.

But not with Trump. Trump voters are undoubtedly righties.

 

[richaceg]

I did not say old and white are righties. I said the Sanders-Trump voters, are righties, who are old and white. Being a rightie has nothing to do with race, although typically they are white.

There are no lefties who support Trump. Trump's polices are far right. There is no question about that. Therefore you'd vote for Trump if you agreed with those policies. And agreeing with far right policy positions, makes the person far right too. Aka a "rightie". Even if they had a history of voting for lefties, if they currently vote for Trump, it simply means their political positions have changed. They have become righties.

I would agree with you if you were to talk about voters swinging between Trudeau and PP. They are not that far off in their politics.

But not with Trump. Trump voters are undoubtedly righties.

We can agree to disagree but I still don't think just because someone vote for Trump he falls under "rightie" some people vote not because of policies either...

 

[Kautilya]

We can agree to disagree but I still don't think just because someone vote for Trump he falls under "rightie" some people vote not because of policies either...

Then why else would they vote for Trump? He relies on divisiveness and emotions to secure votes. So I would venture to say that people voting for him are doing so because they are very invested emotionally and hang on to every word of his on policy. Hence the insurrection last time around.

 

[richaceg]

Then why else would they vote for Trump? He relies on divisiveness and emotions to secure votes. So I would venture to say that people voting for him are doing so because they are very invested emotionally and hang on to every word of his on policy. Hence the insurrection last time around.

wrong....you really think Biden has done better than Trump in the US economy? Immigration? Lefty & right leaning have different reasons what they support...Some Lefty's don't support open borders....Some Righties do.

 

[Kautilya]

wrong....you really think Biden has done better than Trump in the US economy? Immigration? Lefty & right leaning have different reasons what they support...Some Lefty's don't support open borders....Some Righties do.

No righties who vote for Trump supports open borders. Immigration is numero uno on Trump's agenda. Stopping non-white immigration - legal or illegal, is THE number 1 priority on Trump's and his follower's/voter's agenda.

And yes Biden has done better than Trump on every single issue. Economy, immigration, law and order, foreign policy, and so on.

 

[richaceg]

No righties who vote for Trump supports open borders. Immigration is numero uno on Trump's agenda. Stopping non-white immigration - legal or illegal, is THE number 1 priority on Trump's and his follower's/voter's agenda.

And yes Biden has done better than Trump on every single issue. Economy, immigration, law and order, foreign policy, and so on.

Wrong again....Biden has done diddly squat....crime etc etc...some lefty won't vote for Biden...accept it...not all Righties align with Trump too....

 

[Kautilya]

Wrong again....Biden has done diddly squat....crime etc etc...some lefty won't vote for Biden...accept it...not all Righties align with Trump too....

Crime is not such a big issue in the US. It is generally a safe country. So not sure why you have such big issues with crime now. Mass shootings are an issue but no rightie will allow any common sense gun bans.

Some lefties wont vote Biden. But they defo wont vote Trump.

Not all righties align with Trump.

But the ones who align with Trump, are all righties.

 

[Valcazar]

This is going to be a long post, because I want to talk through and bring clarity.

Conservative is a social and political position which is characterized by anti-LGBTQ attitudes, traditionalism, religiosity etc and if someone is not anti-LGBTQ then it means they are not conservative in the truest sense.

Libertarians (or more accurately Right Libertarianism - which is primarily what we mean by Libertarian in North America) may be more open to LGB rights, and yes, that does not make them conservatives. However, they could be anti-trans, as is the case with Joe Rogan and co.

Both conservatism and libertarianism (right libertarianism) both fall on the "Right" of the political spectrum. Hence they are both right wingers. The difference between conservatives and libertarians is that conservatives are just more authoritarian than libertarians.

Here is the political spectrum quadrant. Essentially people who fall in the Blue and Purple categories would support Trump (again, not all of them support Trump, but all of Trump's supporters would fall under those categories). I fall in the far left corner - the green box. I do not support Trump.

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The UFC on the other hand, is not an organization with political affiliations. They are a business. They have all kinds of customers and they host all kinds of people and are sponsored by all kinds of businesses. Individuals in the UFC may lean one way or another, but it means absolutely nothing regarding the organization itself.

Therefore, everyone who supports Trump is, objectively, a Rightie.

By the way you'd be surprised to know, that Biden is actually a "Rightie" too. So is Obama lol. They are just a little less authoritarian than Trump. In the US the system is so flawed with a two party system, that essentially the Repugs and the Dems are two sides of the same coin and they basically have divided the populace between them. So when Americans are voting Dems, they are not voting left, they are just voting "a little less authoritarian".

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Here it is for Canada (2021). You'd be again surprised to know that the Liberals are really on the right, just a little less authoritarian than the conservatives. Another interesting thing to note is that PP is really equivalent to a Dem. See where Biden and the CPC fall on the spectrum (My friend used to jokingly say Canadian conservatives are really American democrats lol). So basically Canada is just a little less authoritarian and a little more left wing than the US.

I vote NDP. And as I said, I fall in the green. So do they.

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And finally me. See where I am? Hence I vote NDP:

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PS: You can take this test and figure out where you fall.

The Political Compass

A typology of political opinions plotted on 2 dimensions: economic and social.

www.politicalcompass.org

You aren't naïve enough to think the political compass (the site) is accurate, are you?

 

[Kautilya]

You aren't naïve enough to think the political compass (the site) is accurate, are you?

It is more accurate than what people argue to be left or right actually. Biden is not really a left winger for example.

 

[Valcazar]

It is more accurate than what people argue to be left or right actually. Biden is not really a left winger for example.

Having a four-corner grid is more interesting than a single line, yes.
These guys - https://www.politicalcompass.org/ - are not running a good survey that gives accurate results.
They've been around for a long time now, and this is well known.

 

[Kautilya]

Having a four-corner grid is more interesting than a single line, yes.
These guys - https://www.politicalcompass.org/ - are not running a good survey that gives accurate results.
They've been around for a long time now, and this is well known.

Accuracy is too much to ask for when it comes to political leanings because often times context gets in the way. You can only do so much to bucket people. It has to be based on something standardized.

 

[Valcazar]

Accuracy is too much to ask for when it comes to political leanings because often times context gets in the way. You can only do so much to bucket people. It has to be based on something standardized.

Yes, but it should not be terrible.
That you want to use the grid to have discussions, sure.
But using what you scored when the test is known to be shit and using their made up positioning of political figures (they don't test them, they just position them where they like based on their own political agenda) is not a good idea.

 

[Kautilya]

Yes, but it should not be terrible.
That you want to use the grid to have discussions, sure.
But using what you scored when the test is known to be shit and using their made up positioning of political figures (they don't test them, they just position them where they like based on their own political agenda) is not a good idea.

I think you are overstating it as "terrible". It is not considered terrible. It is considered standardized and that comes with its own limitations. But it is directionally correct. And not sure that they push agendas by just putting people on a grid. What agenda can they possibly push with that?

 

[Valcazar]

I think you are overstating it as "terrible". It is not considered terrible. It is considered standardized and that comes with its own limitations. But it is directionally correct. And not sure that they push agendas by just putting people on a grid. What agenda can they possibly push with that?

No.
It is considered terrible.
It's bias to make everyone think they are libertarians is well known. (It's a stealth recruitment tool.)
It isn't considered standardized or remotely valid.
The politicians it puts on its grid are there specifically to convince you they are all authoritarian.

Really, you should stop using it.
It is good for memes, but no one should take it seriously as a political tool.
It's like Colbert's old joke about interviewing people and saying "George Bush - Great President or Greatest President?"

 

[Kautilya]

No.
It is considered terrible.
It's bias to make everyone think they are libertarians is well known. (It's a stealth recruitment tool.)
It isn't considered standardized or remotely valid.
The politicians it puts on its grid are there specifically to convince you they are all authoritarian.

Really, you should stop using it.
It is good for memes, but no one should take it seriously as a political tool.
It's like Colbert's old joke about interviewing people and saying "George Bush - Great President or Greatest President?"

I disagree with this. A lot of it sounds like a conspiracy theory lol.

 

[Valcazar]

I disagree with this. A lot of it sounds like a conspiracy theory lol.

Think what you like.
Just look them up.
I'm pretty sure a simple google search will reveal a lot.