Plan B

[IM469]

In a way I am happy that the government is doing this. Its long overdue for an elected Parliament in this country to tell the Supreme Court to get stuffed, and that our elected reps are the one's who are supposed to make the laws of the land and not unelected judges. ...

Wow, you and the Conservative government are the reason we are facing these draconian laws. The Supreme Court (ideally) is the only safe guard between you and over zealous politicians trying to trample your rights to get extra votes. If 9 out of 10 people don't like to eat liver, that does not justify passing a law to prevent everyone from eating it. Ditto your clothing choices, the colour of your car, etc, etc. As long as you are not interfering with the rights of other adults, the government has no right to trample your rights.


If the Muslim got the majority vote, I'm sure you would be pissed if they ignored the Supreme court, banned other religions and made all the girls in CA wear bed sheets. This is suppose to be a country that recognizes individual rights and freedom. The Supreme Court is the policeman that is suppose to guaranty those rights.

I am at work and got sidelined in the middle of this posting - otherwise I would have just posted '+1' for the capital hunter's post.

 

[KBear]

I don't see escorts but do see private dancers who I know for years and IF I continue to see them I can think of two ways I may be able to, still may not be legal but likely hard to prove (if definition of sexual activates extends to private dancing)

The strip clubs might go back to the girls doing air dances on those wooden stools. They might also turn into meet and greet places where guys can check out the girls and girls can hand out business cards. The girls would be free to do this and discuss rates and services as there would be no one under 18 at the club, and the guys would be free to listen. Many escorts are also strippers at the clubs.

The chances of a cop acting as a stripper to bust Johns are slim, so the chance of being busted when you go to meet the girl would also be slim. There might also be some opportunity for social networking by the guys within the club to discuss specific girls and their services.

Don’t think there is much point in making the payment methods more complex, just have to know you are not discussing services or giving cash to a cop.

This is all assuming the ad sites disappear, which would be very bad news.

 

[KBear]

.. The girls may try to give business cards as it is legal for them but few customers would take it, myself included would avoid this like plague. All LE needs to do is to have one undercover cop as a customer in the club and watch who is taking the cards and cease him and the evidence later when he leaves the club or even right there. Would be a great option though as per picking in flesh rather than blurred half hidden BP pages for those who may wish to see escorts though I seriously question its feasibility as per bill C-36.

The girl's cards would just have her name and a phone number, don't know how the cops could bust you. Don't need a card, could just take the girl's number.

 

[KBear]

...they can arrange incalls (to skip over the issue of outcall being unsafe after the new laws as all dancers who I see now I see them at my home).

Yes, like takeout at the clubs now. Just a shift in that the girls at the clubs won't be offering services, except air dances, and the girls will now be promoting outside services legally. Don't know if the club could be in trouble for allowing this to happen?

Don't know what difference it makes, incall or outcall? Just have to be comfortable that the girl you are giving money to is not a cop. That you saw her dance naked in a strip joint is fairly good insurance.

Is like the beaches in Cuba, guys sitting around on benches by the beer hut drinking a beers and chatting, girls come by to chat, pick the girl you like, she goes off and you meet her later at a location. Not all bad.

 

[DigitallyYours]

The fact that we are even discussing strip clubs is exactly why we need to complain loudly and often. The Supreme Court of Canada told Parliament to change its *prostitution* laws. They have NO MANDATE to do anything else including changing the laws for strip clubs, bodyrubs, phone sex, sex surrogates or anything else that might be considered a sexual service.

The justice department will probably say, well, we meant prostitution. Well, make them put it in writing. Hold your government accountable. Write your MP, and the justice committee and tell them they have overstepped their mandate.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The fact that we are even discussing strip clubs is exactly why we need to complain loudly and often. The Supreme Court of Canada told Parliament to change its *prostitution* laws. They have NO MANDATE to do anything else including changing the laws for strip clubs, bodyrubs, phone sex, sex surrogates or anything else that might be considered a sexual service.

The justice department will probably say, well, we meant prostitution. Well, make them put it in writing. Hold your government accountable. Write your MP, and the justice committee and tell them they have overstepped their mandate.

That's another good argument. But government isn't accountable to the Supreme Court subject to their rulings on existing laws. They still have the power to table legislation.

 

[DigitallyYours]

That's another good argument. But government isn't accountable to the Supreme Court subject to their rulings on existing laws. They still have the power to table legislation.

Yes, but they have no mandate to change an existing law regime unless there is an identified problem that needs to be addressed. If they want to reform the law, then fine. But I am not aware that the Conservatives ran on a platform of sex work law reform. Also, note the name of the Act is Bill C-36 An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other Act. Bedford was restricted to the prostitution related laws. I'd love to see the government report that refers to problems with ALL sex work. All I have seen them cite are reports related to prostitution.

 

[TeasePlease]

The girls may try to give business cards as it is legal for them but few customers would take it, myself included would avoid this like plague. All LE needs to do is to have one undercover cop as a customer in the club and watch who is taking the cards and cease him and the evidence later when he leaves the club or even right there.

Seized as evidence of what? I collect business cards as a hobby.

 

[legmann]

So that means we will have in Canada something similar to german FKK, except that instead of action happening in the rooms upstairs, you will meet her outside ? That would be great.

No, this doesn't mean anything. I'm not saying we shouldn't be thinking ahead, but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves devising schemes until we actually know what we're dealing with and how agencies are going to respond.

If they meet the clients outside and the strip bar becomes known as a place where clients meet SP, would the owner get charged for profiteering ?

Let's wait to see if escorts go for the idea first. Feels like a bit too much conjecture going on, IMO.

Seized as evidence of what? I collect business cards as a hobby.

This might be the most important piece of info posted yet: If/when one of us does get caught, do NOT say a damn word until you have an attorney present!

they have no mandate to change an existing law regime unless there is an identified problem that needs to be addressed. If they want to reform the law, then fine. But I am not aware that the Conservatives ran on a platform of sex work law reform. Also, note the name of the Act is Bill C-36 An Act to amend the Criminal Code in response to the Supreme Court of Canada Decision in Attorney General of Canada v. Bedford and to make consequential amendments to other Act.

Agreed.

 

[KBear]

Wow then I should go to Cuba!!!. Really this happens?. How do they know I may be a hobbyist if I sit on a bench having a beer I could be just a tourist? This I should try. I was thinking of taking a Caribbean trip this fall with a dancer I know but now may be I should go by myself!!.

For sure it happens. The place I was thinking of was at a public beach outside of Santiago, but it happens everywhere. There would be other guys/tourists sitting around on the patio tables outside the beer/snack hut on the beach, often chatting with the girls, just say hello. The locals will also come to you and chat ask you what you are looking for. There are some experts on this board that could give you up to date info. They seem to like Havana, I was more going to the areas outside the city, but have not gone to Cuba for a few years.

 

[Rummy]

Less Panic

less paranoia, this bill is too ridiculous to pass..further absurd for the government to direct tax payer funds policing JOHNS and SEX WORKERS

 

[firstr8guy]

less paranoia, this bill is too ridiculous to pass..further absurd for the government to direct tax payer funds policing JOHNS and SEX WORKERS

I don't think there's much doubt it will pass. It was voted on today. I believe and the house majority voted in favour on the first vote on the second reading. One more vote and it goes to the senate for their approval. Not much chance of them voting it down. Then it gets royal accent and it's law!!

 

[firstr8guy]

I keep thinking that the same old tactics would still apply. First ask the woman for permission to touch her. You offer the woman money to spend time with you. Make it clear that the exchange of money is only for her time. Any sexual encounter between between consenting adults is not against the law? After you make it clear that you are only willing to pay her for her time, you ask her to have sex with you.

 

[TeasePlease]

I keep thinking that the same old tactics would still apply. First ask the woman for permission to touch her. You offer the woman money to spend time with you. Make it clear that the exchange of money is only for her time. Any sexual encounter between between consenting adults is not against the law? After you make it clear that you are only willing to pay her for her time, you ask her to have sex with you.

The old tactics might still apply, but they won't work. Judges aren't stupid (generally).

 

[firstr8guy]

The old tactics might still apply, but they won't work. Judges aren't stupid (generally).

No they are extremely intelligent individuals who are by law bound to "the letter of the law". Under current laws communicating for the purpose of prostitution is illegal. Judge's ruled (I'm assuming) that when Sp's were offered money for their time, it was a contract for their time and not for sexual services. Any sex that occurred between consenting adults wasn't illegal.

It was always the police that would draw out a request for sexual services for money and then make an arrest. But not until that specific request was made. If you didn't incriminate yourself by doing that, the police wouldn't charge you because they knew you wouldn't be convicted. That's because they knew that a judge is bound to follow the law as it's written.

I wouldn't want to be the one to test it in court under a new law and your reputation would be ruined by just being charged by police

 

[Ace88]

A truly amazing post, let me see if I understand you correctly: You believe it's more important to support a government that passes bad and illegal laws, than to support the courts that are all that protects you from such unconstitutional (that means unlawful) government repressiveness.

I know right. This is not the first time I hear the old "you don't want these un-elected men and women over-riding politicians" routine, but I seriously don't see the difference. Politicians make a whole bunch of grandiose promises, get elected, do exactly none of the things they promised, and then for four years proceed to not give a fuck about your opinions and needs and do whatever they want to do (mainly ride the dick of corporations who got them elected). So you can vote them out after 4 years. So what? Who says the country will vote your way anyway? The damage they do in those four years will last a very long time. What's the difference between them and the judges on the supreme court?

 

[Lily Divine]

Plan A, B and C should be to stick to tried and true and well reviewed ladies. As always....

That only works when gentlemen review. Some men (even those here on terb) do not share information freely. Sometimes they choose to keep those they've found to themselves (makes repeats easier).

 

[d_jedi]

Oasis? Never heard of it. What is it exactly? Can you have FS in there?

In theory, yes. In practice.. only if you bring a girl along with you.

 

[TeasePlease]

That only works when gentlemen review. Some men (even those here on terb) do not share information freely. Sometimes they choose to keep those they've found to themselves (makes repeats easier).

We have many reasons not to share information publicly. PM circles are alive and thriving. Plenty of reviewing and referrals go on round these parts.

 

[Saskatchewan]

In the OP's simplistic scenario, that policewoman who opens the door in her negligée would already have the VISA payment, and all the rock-solid tools she needed to connect it to the pooner in court, even before he showed up at the door.

Really? I didn't think the police have credit card processing facilities for their sting operations. Most businesses pay a monthly fee to have a wireless debit terminal. That's why an SP who advertises that she takes credit cards is unlikely to be a police officer.