Plan B

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Okay, so let's assume the obvious. The Conservatives will use their majority to push through the new prostitution legislation. Once passed, it will be up to the police to begin enforcing it. In a way I am happy that the government is doing this. Its long overdue for an elected Parliament in this country to tell the Supreme Court to get stuffed, and that our elected reps are the one's who are supposed to make the laws of the land and not unelected judges. The part of the legislation I am unhappy about is the part that may well drive me (and others) out of hobbying for fear of a criminal record.

Now if one thinks about it, this fear is somewhat irrational. I know when I first got into hobbying I was very concerned about law enforcement busting down the door when I was with an SP and whisking me away. Eventually I realized there is little to no policing of backpage or the trade in general. The prostitution that the police do take action against are things like street walkers, where women are being forced into the trade, or under age prostitution. But adults voluntarily selling their bodies to willing consumers has never been much of a concern for the police. Will the new legislation change this? I don't know, but let's assume so.

So then the question becomes, for those willing to break the law and continue hobbying, what precautions can be taken to lessen the risk of being charged and arrested?

Suggestions from the Terb community would go here.

Presumably the police will need to set up a sting where a female officer advertises on the internet, and hobbyists book via text and then get the surprise of their life when the enter the hotel room. So one could perhaps avoid this snare by seeing well established SP's. But that's pretty much the only idea I have. Hoping others are more savvy because as it stands I am giving this game up once that bill becomes law.

Obviously the cops can't bust you for buying sex if you don't have any money on you when you walk into that hotel room. So maybe pre-paying using Paypal or credit card beforehand may make it difficult for the police to prove you are a consumer. But that is risky because you can get screwed by the SP (and not the good way).
 
Personally I think the future is sex clubs, like Oasis. Sex clubs have already had their day in court and they're allowed to exist.

Under Bill c36, the ladies can't advertise, and agencies (in their current form) can't exist. So the present business model is OVER. The club is probably the safest way for girls to advertise. I'm thinking of the infamous freelancer bars like Cafe Photo of Buenos Aires, or Thermae of Bangkok.

To avoid prosecution (i.e. living off the avails), club owners should charge a membership fee, and have one hell of a waiver for members to sign. Club owners should verify female members (e.g. check employment history etc) to ensure they're not undercover police. They should also verify male members to ensure they have no history of violent behaviour - so male members have to submit a police reference.

As far as payment goes...the male member prepays a donation to the club. So on his records, all payments go to the club. After the service is done, the club then reimburses the provider (maybe as the sole winner in a "lucky draw"???) This step could be refined more but ideally consideration should appear not to exist.

Going a step further, maybe the club doesn't even occupy a physical space - it'd be more like a toastmaster's meeting, with weekly meetings. So they'd just book a hotel ballroom or bingo hall and let the members make their own arrangements. It becomes very virtual and can set the frequency of meetings to match the ups/downs of police attention.
 
Interest has been shifting to clubs like oasis in any case, by hobbyists as well as investors. there is definitely a marketspace for more nicely appointed, better serviced venues.

I'd just be wary if pros flooded these clubs. They'd become targets (profiteering?). I imagine it would also be easy for LE to set up stings in clubs (if they wanted)

Plan A, B and C should be to stick to tried and true and well reviewed ladies. As always....
 
I agree with TeasePlease.

I don't know about payment via cellphone app but if you venture into unknown territory for the thrill of seeing someone new, whether you pay in advance is irrelevant. If it's a sting and you show up, you're toast.

I would stick with regulars or ladies who you already know are legit (even if new to you).

Payment to professionals is usually done discreetly, maybe more so if the law passes as tabled.

If you're single, one can always use the service of a cleaning lady at your home too.

(Frankly, I don't think the hobby will die but you will have to be careful who you engage with it or sample).
 
I'd just be wary if pros flooded these clubs. They'd become targets (profiteering?). I imagine it would also be easy for LE to set up stings in clubs (if they wanted)

Plan A, B and C should be to stick to tried and true and well reviewed ladies. As always....

That's why the club has to be stringent about qualifying female members. Maybe only accept 18-20 year olds or on the personal recommendation of existing members - so there's no way they could be LE.
 
I agree with TeasePlease.

I don't know about payment via cellphone app but if you venture into unknown territory for the thrill of seeing someone new, whether you pay in advance is irrelevant. If it's a sting and you show up, you're toast.

I would stick with regulars or ladies who you already know are legit (even if new to you).

Payment to professionals is usually done discreetly, maybe more so if the law passes as tabled.

If you're single, one can always use the service of a cleaning lady at your home too.

(Frankly, I don't think the hobby will die but you will have to be careful who you engage with it or sample).

I'm in agreement as well.
My concern is that the very few of the gals go on to make this a long term profession. I've seen a fair number of SPs and I would say probably close to 97% are no longer active in the business (some for less than a year). That means even if you have some favs, they may not be around for long, forcing you into a search for someone new. THAT is where the bigger risk of being busted seems to lie for me.

Also sticking to just a few destroys my reasons for getting into the hobby in the first place and that is variety. Having to stick to a just fav or two would have meant that I could never have enjoyed being with a Korean, Polish, French Canadian, East Indian, Chinese, Ukrainian, Serbian, Thai, Italian, Australian, Malaysian, Russian, black, etc. women. I see the variety as the spice of life going out the window...
 
That's why the club has to be stringent about qualifying female members. Maybe only accept 18-20 year olds or on the personal recommendation of existing members - so there's no way they could be LE.

Cops set up stings with undercover bikers. If they manage to infiltrate the Hell's Angels do you think a poon club stands a chance if they put their minds to it?
 
That's why the club has to be stringent about qualifying female members. Maybe only accept 18-20 year olds or on the personal recommendation of existing members - so there's no way they could be LE.


Screen and filter single attractive girls? Yeah, cuz that's what sex clubs are known to do. LOL.

Pros already work the clubs. It's a fine line, IMO. If a club becomes a principle base of operations for working girls, how different is that then a MP (which are specifically targeted by C36)?
 
Bottom line: if the girl is receiving consideration for having sex with you, you will lose your day in court. It doesn't matter how you try to circumvent it by disguising the consideration as membership fees or whatnot.
 
Bottom line: if the girl is receiving consideration for having sex with you, you will lose your day in court. It doesn't matter how you try to circumvent it by disguising the consideration as membership fees or whatnot.

Exactly. I see these grown up men try to come with excuses that makes you wonder if they got past the "Teacher, the dog ate my homework" stage. Dudes don't get two simple things:

a. Probable cause is enough for an arrest which is enough for them to get listed online in some publication. Instant ruination.

b. "Lucky draw" from club to provider is as believable to the judge as me telling the CRA that the 70inch 4k 3D TV I'm trying to write off for business development purposes is a valid deduction.
 
Bottom line: if the girl is receiving consideration for having sex with you, you will lose your day in court. It doesn't matter how you try to circumvent it by disguising the consideration as membership fees or whatnot.

Yup.

One day soon the bill will become law. It may see minor fiddling but I can't see it ever changing in any significant way to return us it to where we are today. It will be illegal to purchase sexual services which will result in criminal charges (basic Nordic model). That may be a risk many don't want to take although many will try.

Regardless of excuses it will be a gamble if you get caught or not. Some will win some will lose.
Just like in most gambles the house always has the advantages. Only the house this time is the house of commons.
 
Bottom line: if the girl is receiving consideration for having sex with you, you will lose your day in court. It doesn't matter how you try to circumvent it by disguising the consideration as membership fees or whatnot.
And using any payment mechanism—pretty much anything but cash in hand—that completely depends on a solid secure payment record all the way from buyer to seller seems like asking for a conviction.

In the OP's simplistic scenario, that policewoman who opens the door in her negligée would already have the VISA payment, and all the rock-solid tools she needed to connect it to the pooner in court, even before he showed up at the door.
 
Okay, so let's assume the obvious. The Conservatives will use their majority to push through the new prostitution legislation. Once passed, it will be up to the police to begin enforcing it. In a way I am happy that the government is doing this. Its long overdue for an elected Parliament in this country to tell the Supreme Court to get stuffed, and that our elected reps are the one's who are supposed to make the laws of the land and not unelected judges. The part of the legislation I am unhappy about is the part that may well drive me (and others) out of hobbying for fear of a criminal record.

Now if one thinks about it, this fear is somewhat irrational. I know when I first got into hobbying I was very concerned about law enforcement busting down the door when I was with an SP and whisking me away. Eventually I realized there is little to no policing of backpage or the trade in general. The prostitution that the police do take action against are things like street walkers, where women are being forced into the trade, or under age prostitution. But adults voluntarily selling their bodies to willing consumers has never been much of a concern for the police. Will the new legislation change this? I don't know, but let's assume so.

So then the question becomes, for those willing to break the law and continue hobbying, what precautions can be taken to lessen the risk of being charged and arrested?

Suggestions from the Terb community would go here.

Presumably the police will need to set up a sting where a female officer advertises on the internet, and hobbyists book via text and then get the surprise of their life when the enter the hotel room. So one could perhaps avoid this snare by seeing well established SP's. But that's pretty much the only idea I have. Hoping others are more savvy because as it stands I am giving this game up once that bill becomes law.

Obviously the cops can't bust you for buying sex if you don't have any money on you when you walk into that hotel room. So maybe pre-paying using Paypal or credit card beforehand may make it difficult for the police to prove you are a consumer. But that is risky because you can get screwed by the SP (and not the good way).
A truly amazing post, let me see if I understand you correctly: You believe it's more important to support a government that passes bad and illegal laws, than to support the courts that are all that protects you from such unconstitutional (that means unlawful) government repressiveness.

But now you ask for advice and help in evading and breaking the laws made by that same government you say you support because they were elected to make laws. How is breaking laws a way to support anything but anarchy?

If I read you right a whole nation of outlaws disobeying bad laws is better than a few guys in government being told the first thing is to stick to the rules—their own rules—if they want to make laws that stick.

And if judges aren't allowed to apply the law in courts—which is all they have ever done—who will? You? A guy who won't obey bad laws but defends folks who make them bad because that's what he elected them to do? It is to laugh and cry at once.

Never reproduce.
 
I'm in agreement as well.
My concern is that the very few of the gals go on to make this a long term profession. I've seen a fair number of SPs and I would say probably close to 97% are no longer active in the business (some for less than a year). That means even if you have some favs, they may not be around for long, forcing you into a search for someone new. THAT is where the bigger risk of being busted seems to lie for me.

Also sticking to just a few destroys my reasons for getting into the hobby in the first place and that is variety. Having to stick to a just fav or two would have meant that I could never have enjoyed being with a Korean, Polish, French Canadian, East Indian, Chinese, Ukrainian, Serbian, Thai, Italian, Australian, Malaysian, Russian, black, etc. women. I see the variety as the spice of life going out the window...


The faves I know have been around longer than a year and most are still around, but I agree with variety being the spice of life even in this hobby.

I like variety too, but sometimes it's hit and miss, so I usually stick with a regular or repeat gals because I'm more comfortable doing so.

Lately, I've ventured off the beaten path with legit girls.

The point is, you don't have to sacrifice variety, if you stick with known providers or those who have good reputations as there are plenty of them.
 
And using any payment mechanism—pretty much anything but cash in hand—that completely depends on a solid secure payment record all the way from buyer to seller seems like asking for a conviction.

In the OP's simplistic scenario, that policewoman who opens the door in her negligée would already have the VISA payment, and all the rock-solid tools she needed to connect it to the pooner in court, even before he showed up at the door.

Absolutely.
 
The faves I know have been around longer than a year and most are still around, but I agree with variety being the spice of life even in this hobby.

I like variety too, but sometimes it's hit and miss, so I usually stick with a regular or repeat gals because I'm more comfortable doing so.

Lately, I've ventured off the beaten path with legit girls.

The point is, you don't have to sacrifice variety, if you stick with known providers or those who have good reputations as there are plenty of them.

Hit and miss sometimes now - even with todays reviews because what is someone else's cup of tea may not be mine. I ran into this on Saturday (might have to add to previous review). The faves I was thinking about were personal faves as opposed to community faves. I had one SP that I saw many many times but she was far from a popular SP on TERB.

I can foresee less choice because the legislation will drive everything underground including SP details in advertising. I don't think it will be as easy as looking at a website to find the SPs ethnicity, acronyms and availability. Yes there will still be those with good reputations and longevity.

Here is the sad part for me... it will reduce TOFFT big time making that next gem ever so hard to find.
 
Why do you people worry so much about it? It's gonna be OK! Nobody will set up a phony brothel just to catch some horny guy, nobody! Stop stressing, it's summer, it's fun time:)