PK Vayda wow – I’m still stunned

[PKJessica]

On thing about us, we don't shill.. We have good and bad reviews from new and vetran posters. So I don't really think your comment is valid Remmy, sorry.

And I will say this, ladies that are professional will (for sure) have a long lasting clientel and those who don't will fade out fairly quickly.

But what most board members don't understand is that most(not all) ladies in this industry have enormous amount of stress on them. It is usually not a profession of choice, rather out of necessity that they do this.. Most ladies in this industry are not Greedy, money hungry monsters but if you are going to pay for their time whether it be for FS, or just to sit around and talk, it is still their time you are paying for.

I am all about getting value for your money, however this isn't wal-mart and it can't fall under the same type of expectations you would have for other industries.

These are women, complicated, funny, sad, exciting, boring, demanding, horny, passive, and every other emotion you can think of under the sun. And being a man you can't possibly understand everything that women go through in their heads.

So when I hear that someone had a bad service and they are ranting and raving about it, the situation isn;t what always appears as.

If you are not happy with a lady, then don't go back to see that person. Here at PK everyone is practically an independant, therefore there is no policy that can be set or enforced, either morally nor legally towards the clients. The only think we can do is pass along feedback, and in extreme situations we can refuse to work with the lady if it is a situation out of control.

I know you guys are probably not going to like this comment, but in the vast majority of the cases the problem is with the client not the SP.

 

[CapitalGuy]

Jessica I was with you up until the last line. Do you have any type of stats to back up the claim that the "vast" majority of problems are with the client? I doubt that any industry stats exist - how could they? - thus that claim is pure speculation on your part, based perhaps on your experiences, and I am guessing that you hear each and every complaint that a girl might have. That would certainly colour your opinion. But since in most cases clients who have been mistreated by SP's don't complain; they simply walk away and don't re-book, you have no basis to claim that the majority of problems are with the customer. For all we know, 99% of problems could be the SPs' fault.

I acknowledge that you try to run a dependable agency and I enjoy the women you book, but surely you agree that there are some extremely shady characters running agencies, scamming otherwise nice guys out of their hard-earned cash (yes, we work hard for our money too, and when we drop a couple hundred of it on one hours' time, we have high expectations).

 

[kih]

You guys must all be Richard-Gere-looking for you to not side with Robo.

Attitude is everything!

I would describe myself as just any other ordinating looking guy you would see on the street. However, It just might be my attitude towards the ladies in general. I treat them with the utmost respect after all they are ordinary people when their day is over. Moreover, I don't go into a session demanding certain services because I read it somewhere on the internet. In other words, the services are willingly provided by the lady and any monetary that is exchanged is a donation for their time.

 

[kih]

I think the problem is when the review is 10/10 across the board and using words like Wow, Stunned, Model, Sizzling hot, Down to earth, Classy, all at the same time and then copy it and post in the other board. You know its something .......

Those words exactly describe MY own experience with Vayda. What can I say, I like her and the service that she provided to ME! Seems like YOUR accusing me of shilling. HA! YOUR FUNNY. I see many ladies from various agencies and independents. Your more than welcome to check that out on the other board in the recommendation section. AT the end of the day, Your allegation is unfounded lacks substance.

 

[kih]

On thing about us, we don't shill.. We have good and bad reviews from new and vetran posters. So I don't really think your comment is valid Remmy, sorry.

And I will say this, ladies that are professional will (for sure) have a long lasting clientel and those who don't will fade out fairly quickly.

But what most board members don't understand is that most(not all) ladies in this industry have enormous amount of stress on them. It is usually not a profession of choice, rather out of necessity that they do this.. Most ladies in this industry are not Greedy, money hungry monsters but if you are going to pay for their time whether it be for FS, or just to sit around and talk, it is still their time you are paying for.

I am all about getting value for your money, however this isn't wal-mart and it can't fall under the same type of expectations you would have for other industries.

These are women, complicated, funny, sad, exciting, boring, demanding, horny, passive, and every other emotion you can think of under the sun. And being a man you can't possibly understand everything that women go through in their heads.

So when I hear that someone had a bad service and they are ranting and raving about it, the situation isn;t what always appears as.

If you are not happy with a lady, then don't go back to see that person. Here at PK everyone is practically an independant, therefore there is no policy that can be set or enforced, either morally nor legally towards the clients. The only think we can do is pass along feedback, and in extreme situations we can refuse to work with the lady if it is a situation out of control.

I know you guys are probably not going to like this comment, but in the vast majority of the cases the problem is with the client not the SP.

PK Jessica,

I have to agree. There is always two sides to an experience gone bad. However, I think every bad experience may vary depending on the client and particular SP as so many other factors have an effect on the result of the experience.

 

[PKJessica]

Hey Guys, don't get me wrong.. I am not going to paint all of you with the same brush. The vast majority of our clients are extremely nice people, that are polite, generous friendly and easy going folks..

As well as I do get complaints from Clients and I always address them immediately.

The thing I look for is a pattern, it is usually tells the whole story. If I have an SP working with us that never has an issue. Usually a lot of compliments and seems to have their head on straight, then out of the blue they get a set of complaints in a relatively short period. Its obvious where the problem is.. The sp.. However if it is a complaint that is out of left field, that never happens to this SP and is totally random I take it with a grain of salt.

And trust me guys, if a customer is not happy about something, we usually hear about it.

Again, I want to thank you guys again for your business and your part in making PK one of the most sucessful agencies in Ottawa.

 

[PKJessica]

Capital Guy, I will agree with you that there are definely some shady people that are running agencies right now, that are absolute scams. I could name them off to you in a row, however I think this board has some great members like CK that can point out the fakes pretty quick.

Jessica I was with you up until the last line. Do you have any type of stats to back up the claim that the "vast" majority of problems are with the client? I doubt that any industry stats exist - how could they? - thus that claim is pure speculation on your part, based perhaps on your experiences, and I am guessing that you hear each and every complaint that a girl might have. That would certainly colour your opinion. But since in most cases clients who have been mistreated by SP's don't complain; they simply walk away and don't re-book, you have no basis to claim that the majority of problems are with the customer. For all we know, 99% of problems could be the SPs' fault.

I acknowledge that you try to run a dependable agency and I enjoy the women you book, but surely you agree that there are some extremely shady characters running agencies, scamming otherwise nice guys out of their hard-earned cash (yes, we work hard for our money too, and when we drop a couple hundred of it on one hours' time, we have high expectations).

 

[RemyMartin]

Those words exactly describe MY own experience with Vayda. What can I say, I like her and the service that she provided to ME! Seems like YOUR accusing me of shilling. HA! YOUR FUNNY. I see many ladies from various agencies and independents. Your more than welcome to check that out on the other board in the recommendation section. AT the end of the day, Your allegation is unfounded lacks substance.

not saying you are shilling here, maybe you are just another asslicker in here.
Just check out your recommendation on the other board, seems like most of your reviews are 10/10. At the end out your day, all the Sps you saw are perfect.

 

[kih]

not saying you are shilling here, maybe you are just another asslicker in here.
Just check out your recommendation on the other board, seems like most of your reviews are 10/10. At the end out your day, all the Sps you saw are perfect.

OMG, How do you know that I like to take a bite of the ladies ass's once in awhile and I certainly am into DATO with the ladies. It is indeed a fetish of mine!

In any regard your allegation now has shifted from shilling to me be an ass licker. LOL you're getting funnier by the minute and your stance is somewhat dwindling down the toilet lacking substance. Do you have any further allegations, If so feel free to share.

For over 99% of the time I do have success with the ladies, notwithstanding the negative reviews on this board about same. If I have a good experience, I REPEAT. What you don't hear too often from me is the bad experience's and I have had a few of those. I take no pride in taking revenge in an attempt to damage a particular ladies livelihood. I simply am a gentlemen with tremendous respect for the ladies not only as SP's but as genuine people that have a life outside of the industry and that might just be the difference why I have success.

Now to put this thread back on track and into perspective. I reiterate, to me, Vayda is a very classy lady and she offered me an awesome safe GF experience. I like her as an SP and a person and I have no problem repeating with her.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

I know you guys are probably not going to like this comment, but in the vast majority of the cases the problem is with the client not the SP.

Generalizations like this are seldom true. But you knew you were asking for trouble already .........

 

[PKJessica]

Well if I was being honest, I would have to stand by that statement. But again understand the comment. I would say we have an extremely low incidence of problems to begin with. But in most of the cases the problems are in the evenings, alcohol or other substances are in play ect.. Most of the time the negative comments come right after a thursday. friday or saturday night.. Almost never had we had a problem with our daytime crowd.

 

[Kubrickfan]

Jessica --

Respecfully, I hope you are not implying that the negative comments made about Vayda have anything to do with the reviewers being intoxicated?

As a law school professor of mine used to say, "you're in shallow water, sinking fast."

 

[OnTheWayOut]

One more thing ...... I'm sure what we see as problems with SPs are not always shared by the SPs themselves. It's harder for someone to see their own faults and easier to blame someone else. This can go both ways of course.

Just saying a low incidence of problems could mean a failure to accept responsibility. Not an unusual occurrence and I'm not saying it applies to anyone in particular. Just throwing it out as it would seem relevant to the arguments being presented.

 

[PKJessica]

Nope, not about Vayda in particular as she went through a period earlier on in the year where she was having personal problems that affected her and it did reflect on the service she did provide, however I think that has been since rectified.

I was talking about some negative reviews in general, that happen when the client doesnt get his way or gets refused service and then takes it out on the boards..

 

[Mable]

And don't forget people like me now. I had an extremely negative encounter with Vayda and never said a thing to the agency or this board when it happened. I have had enough encounters with agencies and independents to know that few of them will accept personal responsibility for their actions, at least in this town and have learned that frank reviews, which are not personal but accurate, often produce negative responses here. There are always the excuses, excuses, excuses. I do what I indicated above, that is, bad agencies or girls will never see the colour of my green again.

 

[PKJessica]

And then there are others that are equally reputable members that had positive encounters with the sps. Which once again comes down to mood, chemistry, and timing. Once again, the essence of any encounter with any women. Wow, what a concept.

Look, we will take our licks for what our responsibilties are and what they are not. I will give you an example, I have an sp that is very popular and new with us, she will offer GFE including BBBJ with SOME clients and some she won;t. Its a judgement call. So if someone calls and asks if she provides GFE, BBBJ.. ect and I tell them yes in some cases... When the client doesnt get exactly that, then we the agency are the A-holes. But this isnt the case. We book calls for them, we act as their Secretaries not as their boss and again how much responsibilty do we have?

You know Mable, I am sorry you had a negative encounter with Vayda. I believe you when you said it, I think you were being honest. But it could have resulted in alot of different causes, not necessarily being you at all. But at the same time, you have to be able to give merit to someone like KIH who had an amazing time with Vayda. Which BTW is a more recent encounter than yours.

This is not an excuse, it is simply the way it is.

But understand this, PK has been in Ottawa for quite a while, and despite some negative reviews we have a huge base of very happy regulars. Obviously we are doing something right.

 

[rofobo]

And then there are others that are equally reputable members that had positive encounters with the sps. Which once again comes down to mood, chemistry, and timing. Once again, the essence of any encounter with any women. Wow, what a concept.

But then again, you don't pay women outside of the hobby 200 dollars and up to have sex as part of a business transaction. So I really don't care about their mood, chemistry etc. If they actually click with a customer all the better, if not, put a smile on your face and fake it. It's a BUSINESS providing a service. If the customer isn't disrespectful, he should get what he pays for, otherwise don't accept his money and go home. Wow, now that's a concept I think we should all grasp.

 

[kih]

But then again, you don't pay women outside of the hobby 200 dollars and up to have sex as part of a business transaction. So I really don't care about their mood, chemistry etc. If they actually click with a customer all the better, if not, put a smile on your face and fake it. It's a BUSINESS providing a service. If the customer isn't disrespectful, he should get what he pays for, otherwise don't accept his money and go home. Wow, now that's a concept I think we should all grasp.

LOL, I don't know about you but the last time I wined and dined a lady on a date for dinner and drinks and a night on the town it was way above $200 and because it was a first date, there was no sex involved.

 

[Mable]

Just for the record here, Jessica, I do not consider a cbj bad service, or the denial of other services a lady wishes to avoid as long as it is made clear prior to the meeting. What I mean to expose are the horrifically bad attitudes displayed which I don't think are ever called for.

 

[rofobo]

LOL, I don't know about you but the last time I wined and dined a lady on a date for dinner and drinks and a night on the town it was way above $200 and because it was a first date, there was no sex involved.

Bravo my friend. Do you have a point to make?