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yeah it was vicious, the owners were retards the dog attacked my dog 2 other times prior this time I said fuck it ill teach the dog a lesson
So you were in control of your dog but decided to allow it to savage another animal.

I guess "attacked" probably means the dog was behaving in a completely expected way, like, barking at another dog it thought was in its territory. I guess that is what you think "attacked" means.
 

msog87

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So you were in control of your dog but decided to allow it to savage another animal.

I guess "attacked" probably means the dog was behaving in a completely expected way, like, barking at another dog it thought was in its territory. I guess that is what you think "attacked" means.
we were on the road and it was biting his feet, the owners didnt even attempt to stop the dog bc it was unsupervised like it always was. It was also aggressive towards people and would bite shopping bags etc
 

blackrock13

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youre ignorant. bull terriers and pitbulls have the same disposition, they are basically the same dog.


Hahahahha.

I can see from the last few posts you're making more friends. You apparently think you know more than Caesar Millan about dogs. Yes, 'basically' they are the same, four legs, a tail, and two ears, but it's the differences that make them a problem. I've 'never' had any serious confrontations with any Bull Terrier and I've been around a bunch. . They've challenged me with barking on occasion, but backed down quickly after they made their point. They're basically a Jack Russell with bad nose job. Again, the fatal attack numbers say different. You of course being a true Austrian ignore facts and figures.
 

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I thought Conway's take on this was interesting. So lets do the same with this statement and replace "dog/ pitbull" with "people with guns".

the person looking after those dogs is a fucking idiot. you dont let three pitbulls run free with other dogs thats just asking for trouble its completely irresponsible
the person looking after those "people with guns" is a fucking idiot. you dont let three "people with guns" run free with other "people with guns" thats just asking for trouble its completely irresponsible
 

night ride

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Bull Terriers which have a nice disposition are entirely different from Pit Bulls
Unfortunately Bull Terriers get tarred with the same brush as pit bulls which is sad becasue as soon as a pit bull does something it is newsworthy, whereas a golden retriever biting someone doesn't make the front page.
 

blackrock13

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Unfortunately Bull Terriers get tarred with the same brush as pit bulls which is sad becasue as soon as a pit bull does something it is newsworthy, whereas a golden retriever biting someone doesn't make the front page.
Quite possibly because GR bites are very seldom fatal or disfiguring. I agree with your Bull Terrier view.
 

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They make a great family pet ... but for not idiots.
Dirk maybe this is where you get tripped up.
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Lions make great family pets too, as do leopards, but don't be nearby when they turn on you.

An animal bred specifically for aggression does not make a good family pet. This dog is known to be used by drug dealers as protection, both to the dealer and their property. Well known in dog fighting circles for one reason and one reason only, because that is what these dogs do, that is their raison d'etre.

Within their human family unit they know their rank and who the alpha is, some don't care and attack their human family members to move up the chain.

Of fatal dog attacks in the US, the majority are done by this breed.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
 

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Ironhead

Lions make great family pets too, as do leopards, but don't be nearby when they turn on you.

An animal bred specifically for aggression does not make a good family pet. This dog is known to be used by drug dealers as protection, both to the dealer and their property. Well known in dog fighting circles for one reason and one reason only, because that is what these dogs do, that is their raison d'etre.

Within their human family unit they know their rank and who the alpha is, some don't care and attack their human family members to move up the chain.

Of fatal dog attacks in the US, the majority are done by this breed.

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
don't forget this one about how great they are for family pets.

The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.

  • The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 128 Americans, about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days.
  • Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php
 

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youre ignorant. bull terriers and pitbulls have the same disposition, they are basically the same dog.
That is not what most people have observed.
Saying as does the AKC that the three pit bull breeds are "Courageous and strong" is rather different from their description of the Bull Terrier as "Playful and clownish, the Bull Terrier is best described as a three year-old child in a dog suit. . . an exceedingly friendly dog, with a sweet and fun-loving disposition."



Bull Terrier



Staffordshire Bull Terrier (a.k.a. one of the three pit bull breeds)


This has nothing to do with whether if you have children a Bull Terrier is an equally good choice as a Labrador Retriever or a Golden Retriever, that is another question.
 
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The problem is the attitude that society has the all breeds are the same and they are not. Power breeds require very specific characteristics in their Alphas and 99% of dog owners today do not have the inner qualities needed to handle these dogs. I grew up in a wrecking yard and we were the dumping ground for dogs that couldn't live out in the world. I woke up to a dog chained to our front gate on more occasions than I can count. Dogs that had had aggression issues, had been abused or just got too mean for the family who owned it. Rotties, Dobermans, Sheppards, Huskies and Pit bulls made up our ever changing pack. Our alpha dog was a German Sheppard that had failed police training and was our constant but my father was THE Alpha. These breeds require tremendous physical exercise, work purpose and a firm, unwavering sense of order. It took time to integrate a new dog and there were times the dog was not salvageable and would have to be put down but most of the time we could straighten them out and rehome them to a place that fulfilled the dogs needs with owners who could handle them.

Power breeds are not city dogs, they are working roamers and if the owner does not understand the dog first then the breed, there are going to be issues. I have yet to meet a city pit bull owner that understands the amount of physical exertion it takes to keep their dog calm. Pit bulls are an extraordinary breed, intelligent, protective and very hard working. My dad would harness ours to truck tires once a day and make them pull until the dog was exhausted. He always said "tired dogs don't fight" and he was right. We never had fights once a dog had been integrated into the pack and he would wear them out daily during the "get to know you" period. A 20 minute walk doesn't work for any of the power breeds and if you don't have a job for these dogs to do, they will become unstable. They need 2-4 hours of physical exertion daily to keep them calm and centred.

Dogs are not babies, they are not people trapped in dog bodies, they are primal animals with genetic purposes that need to be respected and fulfilled. This is true for all dogs, not just big dogs. Poorly trained purse rats are as unstable as any dog and I don't doubt that the Pom caused the situation in Calgary. There is no excuse for aggression shown by any dog, no matter the size and if an owner knows their dog has aggressive tendencies they have a responsibility to keep their dog under control or away from dangerous situations. I have a small mix that I rescued and he is unstable. His trainer said that the SPCA should have put him down because I will never be able to trust him around other dogs. He is very well behaved until there is another dog in the mix and then I have to be hyper vigilant in the event he goes left. He socializes well with his trainers dogs now but trips to the dog park are few and far between because I will not put him or another dog in a position where one of them gets hurt. Anyone that has a dog that isn't impeccably trained has no business letting their dogs off leash EVER imho. I do not trust other owners to properly control their dogs and I never assume just because it's soft and furry it isn't dangerous no matter what the breed is.

People need to get real about what being a pet owner means. It's not something you become because you want something to pet when you are bored. It's a huge responsibility and when that responsibility is ignored we end up with these attacks. As a society we need to stop humanizing these animals; respect their inherent natures and fulfill our
commitment as their owners to ensure their genetic drives are harnessed and satiated. Then the attacks will stop, not before...

cat
 

msog87

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Hahahahha.

I can see from the last few posts you're making more friends. You apparently think you know more than Caesar Millan about dogs. Yes, 'basically' they are the same, four legs, a tail, and two ears, but it's the differences that make them a problem. I've 'never' had any serious confrontations with any Bull Terrier and I've been around a bunch. . They've challenged me with barking on occasion, but backed down quickly after they made their point. They're basically a Jack Russell with bad nose job. Again, the fatal attack numbers say different. You of course being a true Austrian ignore facts and figures.
first of all, for every 1 bull terrier that is owned there are probably 20 pitbulls owned that skews stats. the fact is they are in the same family, and were both raised for fighting. the only difference between them is the snout.
 

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I had an Amstaff for 14 years. He was very docile and non aggressive towards dogs and humans. A very chilled dog, didn't even bark:confused:. Super smart breed. The only way he could kill you was with his gas.
 

blackrock13

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first of all, for every 1 bull terrier that is owned there are probably 20 pitbulls owned that skews stats. the fact is they are in the same family, and were both raised for fighting. the only difference between them is the snout.
It doesn't matter how many PB there are 'relative' to English bull terriers, because there hasn't been a single report fatal attack by English bull terrier since 2004. There was one single attack in 2003, when records were begun, in a tie with Pomeranians. Please note how many PB attacks are recorded in that time frame and how many of those were family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2012

There is a big difference and Caesar Millan told us what it was, but then you know more than him.

I know it the owners fault.
 

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The solution is simple.

Register dogs and track their family lines.

Whenever any dog is involved in a violent event either biting a person, or killing another animal, collect all the descendants of the aggressive dog's parents and euthanize them all.

Within a few generations violent tendencies will be seriously curtailed.

Specific aggressive lines could be maintained for police, military, and security use, but these dogs, specially bred for aggression, should be regulated and not be available as legal pets, and certainly not permitted in public parks nor allowed to mix with domestic dogs.
 

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Pitbulls are dangerous, and pittbull owners know this. They wanted something mean, with a strong unforgiving jaw, and something that is bred to fight. They give their pittbull macho name like razor, and put heavy chains on them. They wanted protection, but sadly, they think they have control over the animal.

Think about this, if you can't stop a pittbull from attacking a small dog, how can you stop it when it is attacking you?

Pittbull should be banned in Canada.
 

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The problem is the attitude that society has the all breeds are the same and they are not.

Power breeds require very specific characteristics in their Alphas and 99% of dog owners today do not have the inner qualities needed to handle these dogs.

Power breeds are not city dogs, they are working roamers //// they will become unstable. They need 2-4 hours of physical exertion daily to keep them calm and centred.

There is no excuse for aggression shown by any dog,

People need to get real about what being a pet owner means.

cat



You have it in a nut shell. Dogs require a responsible owner.

Cat if you get to Toronto I'll hire you for training purposes. Eh, that's for the dog ok?

Good input. Thanks.
 
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The problem is the attitude that society has the all breeds are the same and they are not. Power breeds require very specific characteristics in their Alphas and 99% of dog owners today do not have the inner qualities needed to handle these dogs. I grew up in a wrecking yard and we were the dumping ground for dogs that couldn't live out in the world. I woke up to a dog chained to our front gate on more occasions than I can count. Dogs that had had aggression issues, had been abused or just got too mean for the family who owned it. Rotties, Dobermans, Sheppards, Huskies and Pit bulls made up our ever changing pack. Our alpha dog was a German Sheppard that had failed police training and was our constant but my father was THE Alpha. These breeds require tremendous physical exercise, work purpose and a firm, unwavering sense of order. It took time to integrate a new dog and there were times the dog was not salvageable and would have to be put down but most of the time we could straighten them out and rehome them to a place that fulfilled the dogs needs with owners who could handle them.

Power breeds are not city dogs, they are working roamers and if the owner does not understand the dog first then the breed, there are going to be issues. I have yet to meet a city pit bull owner that understands the amount of physical exertion it takes to keep their dog calm. Pit bulls are an extraordinary breed, intelligent, protective and very hard working. My dad would harness ours to truck tires once a day and make them pull until the dog was exhausted. He always said "tired dogs don't fight" and he was right. We never had fights once a dog had been integrated into the pack and he would wear them out daily during the "get to know you" period. A 20 minute walk doesn't work for any of the power breeds and if you don't have a job for these dogs to do, they will become unstable. They need 2-4 hours of physical exertion daily to keep them calm and centred.

Dogs are not babies, they are not people trapped in dog bodies, they are primal animals with genetic purposes that need to be respected and fulfilled. This is true for all dogs, not just big dogs. Poorly trained purse rats are as unstable as any dog and I don't doubt that the Pom caused the situation in Calgary. There is no excuse for aggression shown by any dog, no matter the size and if an owner knows their dog has aggressive tendencies they have a responsibility to keep their dog under control or away from dangerous situations. I have a small mix that I rescued and he is unstable. His trainer said that the SPCA should have put him down because I will never be able to trust him around other dogs. He is very well behaved until there is another dog in the mix and then I have to be hyper vigilant in the event he goes left. He socializes well with his trainers dogs now but trips to the dog park are few and far between because I will not put him or another dog in a position where one of them gets hurt. Anyone that has a dog that isn't impeccably trained has no business letting their dogs off leash EVER imho. I do not trust other owners to properly control their dogs and I never assume just because it's soft and furry it isn't dangerous no matter what the breed is.

People need to get real about what being a pet owner means. It's not something you become because you want something to pet when you are bored. It's a huge responsibility and when that responsibility is ignored we end up with these attacks. As a society we need to stop humanizing these animals; respect their inherent natures and fulfill our
commitment as their owners to ensure their genetic drives are harnessed and satiated. Then the attacks will stop, not before...

cat
Well said!
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msog87

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It doesn't matter how many PB there are 'relative' to English bull terriers, because there hasn't been a single report fatal attack by English bull terrier since 2004. There was one single attack in 2003, when records were begun, in a tie with Pomeranians. Please note how many PB attacks are recorded in that time frame and how many of those were family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...the_United_States#Fatalities_reported_in_2012

There is a big difference and Caesar Millan told us what it was, but then you know more than him.

I know it the owners fault.
they are a much rarer breed the pitbull is opne of the most poplar dogs in thew world thus more bites. I should also add that bull terriers are commonly referred to as pitbulls, if they bite someone the media will label them a pitbull. remember a variety of different dogs can be classified as a pitbull, a bull terrier looks exactly like a pitbull, unless youre a dog expert you can and will mix them up easily. People are so stupid they think dogs that dont even look like pitbulls are pitbulls.
 
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