Peterborough store clerk charged following confrontation with baseball bat-wielding robber: police

[Leimonis]

Remember the cop is not the law.

I'm sure thieves who steal packages are extremely wealthy people who will definitely sue others for defamation.

Like literally what kind of a defamation is there when you only are showing what the video shows; you’re not naming thieves and you don’t even have to be saying what they did.
Simply: look this is what happened to my package.

This cop should be disciplined for being an idiot in public.

 

[Jenesis]

Sure you can chase after someone to make a citizen's arrest after they just robbed you (or tried to).

You just cannot beat them with a baseball bat unless its in self-defense

Chasing a person with a bat is not lawfully making a citizen’s arrest.

That is not how the works Phil and you know it. I’m done with your trolling.

 

[MayorQuimby]

In Canada only the state should have a monopoly on posting images of crime suspects on media, if a crime victim does they risk being charged for violating the suspects privacy.

Canadian police warn that posting videos of alleged package thieves could be ‘violation' of their privacy

A provincial police officer, Lt. Benoit Richard warned Canadian citizens against posting video footage of alleged porch thefts, because it could violate the thieves' privacy.

www.foxnews.com

Bad cop no donut. Canada doesn't enshrine property rights like the States. The owner of Canada is the "Crown" (King of England).

Stand your Ground laws and the Castle Doctrine are good deterrents against armed robbers, though in many liberal cities, gun owners are charged for rescuing victims of crime in public, like in NYC the other day. The aggressive panhandler who threatened a woman had more rights than an armed rescuer with no criminal record, until he was arrested.

 

[HungSowel]

Based on the info so far it looks bad for the clerk. How many times did the clerk hit the robber with the bat, what long-term injuries did the robber sustain, was he still hitting the robber after the robber presumably went unconscious, did a bystander have to step in to stop the clerk from finishing the robber off, etc...

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Chasing a person with a bat is not lawfully making a citizen’s arrest.

That is not how the works Phil and you know it. I’m done with your trolling

Please show me in the Canadian criminal code where you cannot make a citizen's arrest while also holding a bat in your hand.

If you show me the exact statute I will admit I'm wrong, and rest my case

 

[Jenesis]

Please show me in the Canadian criminal code where you cannot make a citizen's arrest while also holding a bat in your hand.

If you show me the exact statute I will admit I'm wrong, and rest my case

Show me where the clerk says at all that he was making a citizens arrest and then we will talk about the statute.

For someone who is preaching “wait for the facts” you sure like to speculate yourself. At least I am only speaking to the reported facts that we have at hand at the moment. You are coming up with total unfounded speculations. Just more proof over your trolling…..

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Show me where the clerk says at all that he was making a citizens arrest and then we will talk about the statute.

For someone who is preaching “wait for the facts” you sure like to speculate yourself

I didnt say the clerk was trying to make a citizen's arrest, I am only keeping that open as an option.
Contrary to you who's apparently already convicted the guy.

Now again, please show me in the Canadian criminal code where you cannot make a citizen's arrest while also holding a bat in your hand.
If you show me the exact statute I will admit I'm wrong, and rest my case

 

[Jenesis]

I didnt say the clerk was trying to make a citizen's arrest, I am only keeping that open as an option.
Contrary to you who's apparently already convicted the guy.

Now again, please show me in the Canadian criminal code where you cannot make a citizen's arrest while also holding a bat in your hand.
If you show me the exact statute I will admit I'm wrong, and rest my case

I have already said I haven’t convicted the guy. I have already said I am solely going by what has been reported and that anything can change.

You are introducing specualtion, which is your right. Go for it but then don’t preach that people can only speak only facts. Keep it to facts. So when you can prove the clerk was trying to make a citizens arrest or that those new facts have been entered into the case, I will discuss the statute. That is when it will become important. Not before then.

The only thing important now fact wise is the robber brought a bat and tried to rob a store. The clerk got hit with the bat. The clerk got the bat somehow. The robber ran out of the store and the clerk also ran out of the store. The clerk hit the robber repeatedly with the bat outside of the store. The robber was sent to Toronto for treatment meaning it was most likely severe.

Those are the facts reported so far and the only facts given at the moment. Based on those facts, and those facts alone, the charges for both the clerk and the robber are correct and as far as the law, a self defence claim for the robbery ends when the robber left the store. That’s it, that’s all Philly.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I have already said I haven’t convicted the guy. I have already said I am solely going by what has been reported and that anything can change.

You are introducing specualtion, which is your right. Go for it but then don’t preach that people can only speak only facts. Keep it to facts. So when you can prove the clerk was trying to make a citizens arrest or that those new facts have been entered into the case, I will discuss the statute. That is when it will become important. Not before then

I have actually entertained both possibilities. Yours, and then 2nd option was perhaps its self-defense

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/peterborough-store-clerk-charged-following-confrontation-with-baseball-bat-wielding-robber-police.838619/post-8329074

Clerk couldve gotten mad, acted out of revenge and gave the thief a beating cause he felt like it.
In that case he's guilty of assault and should be convicted.

Or......he chased the thief down, the thief fought back, and the clerk had to defend himself.
In that case he should be acquitted

So when you can prove the clerk was trying to make a citizens arrest or that those new facts have been entered into the case, I will discuss the statute.
That is when it will become important. Not before then.

And thats what I thought, no such statute in criminal code exists AFAIK

 

[Jenesis]

I have actually entertained both possibilities. Yours, and then 2nd option was perhaps its self-defense

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/peterborough-store-clerk-charged-following-confrontation-with-baseball-bat-wielding-robber-police.838619/post-8329074

Yay you…. Congrats. You can make multiple speculations.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yay you…. Congrats. You can make multiple speculations

You should try it sometimes

 

[Jenesis]

You should try it sometimes

I’ll stick to the facts provided but thanks ….

Have a good night Philly. I’m done for the night.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I’ll stick to the facts provided but thanks ….

Have a good night Philly. I’m done for the night

Not sure why you're getting so mad and defensive. We're just having a good debate

 

[massman]

Bad cop no donut. Canada doesn't enshrine property rights like the States. The owner of Canada is the "Crown" (King of England).

Stand your Ground laws and the Castle Doctrine are good deterrents against armed robbers, though in many liberal cities, gun owners are charged for rescuing victims of crime in public, like in NYC the other day. The aggressive panhandler who threatened a woman had more rights than an armed rescuer with no criminal record, until he was arrested.

If such laws are a good deterrent, why isn’t the burglary rate in the US dramatically lower than Canada?

 

[Jenesis]

Not sure why you're getting so mad and defensive. We're just having a good debate

Not getting mad or defensive at all. Just logging off now. I’m not interested in staying online to debate with you. I have other plans for the evening Philly.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Not getting mad or defensive at all. Just logging off now. I’m not interested in staying online to debate with you. I have other plans for the evening Philly

 

[Conil]

If he clobbered him in the store, he was ok, but he followed him.

 

[MayorQuimby]

If such laws are a good deterrent, why isn’t the burglary rate in the US dramatically lower than Canada?

America is about 270 per 100,000, while Canada is about 350-370 per 100,000. There are only a few states with higher than 350 per 100,000:

Burglary rate by state U.S. 2022 | Statista

In 2022, New Mexico had the highest burglary rate in the United States.

www.statista.com

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

I’m only speaking legally here. You have to leave your emotions out of it.

My emotions are not at play here. The system is broken and contains no mechanism for self repair, thus the only way to get get our society back to a functioning state is to take control away from the system and place it back with the citizenry.

Police and judges are unwilling and unable to ensure the safety of citizens, so we take the matter out of their hands and place it in our own. If enough ordinary citizens start meting out corporal (or capital) punishment out of thieves that would be a pretty good deterrent to theft.

 

[dognutz]

Good on the clerk, one less junkie to worry about living in their government paid for tiny homes. I know the store and have never seen a white clerk in there. Guaranteed the clerk was Indian and the junkie white. Might affect his status if he's not fully citizenship. Hopefully the thief is a lifelong drooler now.