What's strange to me is how did this snake go up the ventilation system from the first floor, go vertically up through the sheet metal and above the second floor where the boys were sleeping, and then fall through the ceiling and down onto the boys. How did that slithery snake scale smooth, metal duct work vertically without falling back down?
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This story broke my heart when I read this. I must say, I too found this to be kind of odd that a snake would be able to kill one boy without the other boy waking up or something. However, I understand that a boy wouldn't be able to scream one the thing was around it's neck, but you would think in order to get under one boy's next it would some how have to lift his head and somewhat wake him up causing him to freak and at least wake the other boy. Just seems strange to me but I don't know jake shit about snakes so Ill wait unitl further details come out.
R.I.P to Conner and Noah
R.I.P to Conner and Noah
Negligence seems obvious based on the fact that the snake escaped. Would this be negligent homicide? Manslaughter?
Under the Criminal Code I would presume Manslaughter http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-110.html#h-77 would be what would be charged.
However, I would note that thus far the Campbellton Police have said nothing about charges.
Many years ago, there were two feature dancers who used a huge snake in their act.
There was an ugly incident at the Sextuple (Montreal), where a patron, apparently, threw an ice cube at the snake which then started to squeeze the dancer. The club manager had to run on stage and cut off the snake's head.
Also, seem to recall a gentleman in Ontario was killed by his pet Burmese Python(s) a few years ago.
There was an ugly incident at the Sextuple (Montreal), where a patron, apparently, threw an ice cube at the snake which then started to squeeze the dancer. The club manager had to run on stage and cut off the snake's head.
Also, seem to recall a gentleman in Ontario was killed by his pet Burmese Python(s) a few years ago.
Snake should be returned to it's country of origin and the owner destroyed instead.
I agree with the others.
There is something not quite right about all of this. How does a snake climb through ventilation ducts vertically? First off, the snake has to get past all the louvres of the ventilation system. Most ventilation systems have vertical risers in the walls and in those cases, the duct work has to fit inside a 3 1/2" wall cavity. The snake would have to:
1. Get out of its cage
2. Open the louvre (with his hands? and or a screwdriver if it was a cold air return)
3. Navigate through the supply duct, into the main duct, then scale vertically inside a smooth metal duct
4. Find the correct duct into the room where the first kid was sleeping
5. Remove the louvre and find the kid in the bed (where were all the adults??? These kids were not much more than babies)
How does a snake kill one child without the other child hearing the commotion and running out?
Why did the snake kill one kid, then move on and kill the other without eating?
Nothing makes sense.
What does make sense is some adult using a snake to kill 2 kids.
Anyway, they killed the snake today apparently.
There is something not quite right about all of this. How does a snake climb through ventilation ducts vertically? First off, the snake has to get past all the louvres of the ventilation system. Most ventilation systems have vertical risers in the walls and in those cases, the duct work has to fit inside a 3 1/2" wall cavity. The snake would have to:
1. Get out of its cage
2. Open the louvre (with his hands? and or a screwdriver if it was a cold air return)
3. Navigate through the supply duct, into the main duct, then scale vertically inside a smooth metal duct
4. Find the correct duct into the room where the first kid was sleeping
5. Remove the louvre and find the kid in the bed (where were all the adults??? These kids were not much more than babies)
How does a snake kill one child without the other child hearing the commotion and running out?
Why did the snake kill one kid, then move on and kill the other without eating?
Nothing makes sense.
What does make sense is some adult using a snake to kill 2 kids.
Anyway, they killed the snake today apparently.
I think that's incorrect. I once saw on National Geographic that these snakes have jaws which become unhinged to enable it to swallow something much larger than itself.
Drove home from cottage this morning and listening to talk radio which repeated your suspicions.
Also, the animal expert said constrictors don't necessarily strangle but squeeze the entire body. Although he said that the BC may have been afraid since it was in new surroundings.
If in fact the snake really killed those two young boys, I say we should throw the owner into a pond of crocodiles.
My understanding was that is crashed through the ceiling onto the kids. I can't see it killing two kids one at a time but is it possible that the snake killed both kids simultaneously ? The kids were sleeping together, possibly the snake dropped on the kids and as they both started to struggle, the snake encircled both of them and squeezed them together restricting both of them. They wouldn't be able to escape and probably before they were conscious enough to realize what was happening - both unable to move and short of breath enough to make little noise.
If this happened, the bruising would probably be on one side of each child. The snake was not hungry and as soon as the immediate threat was gone - it just relaxed with out attempting to eat the kids.
Just my theory as I agree - attacking two kids separately makes no sense. If this was the case - It was virtually a one in a million accident.
I think your two-at-once theory may be realistic (but I have no idea, frankly), but the experts that have been speaking about this so far, say that the snake doesn't kill like that in self-defence. He suffocates/squeezes only for feeding. If threatened he 'just' bites and releases, never crushes. So the snake must have planned to eat the kids. And of course, maybe he did eat the kids, and that piece of gruesome news just hasn't come out yet. Otherwise, my only (uneducated) guess is the snake was confused and fucked up from being in captivity and didn't know what it was doing.
Snake believed to have strangled boys was kept in apartment: RCMP
That earlier report of the snake's escape from the store could be
a fabrication to cover up the monstrous stupidity of leaving the
python to keep company with the kids.
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http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/snake-be...led-boys-was-kept-in-apartment-rcmp-1.1399690
The large python that is believed to have strangled two young New Brunswick brothers while they slept was being held in the apartment where the boys were sleeping, not in the reptile store below as previously believed.
RCMP Sgt. Alain Tremblay confirmed during a news conference Tuesday afternoon that a criminal investigation has been launched into the incident in Campbellton.
He also said investigators are treating the Pleasant Street apartment and reptile store where the brothers were found as a crime scene.
Police said the 15-foot, 100-pound snake managed to escape its enclosure through a ventilation duct and entered the apartment's ventilation system.
It then fell through the ceiling into the living room where the brothers were sleeping on a mattress.
Tremblay said the bodies of the two boys were discovered by Jean-Claude Savoie, who lives in the apartment with his son, shortly after 6 a.m. Monday.
Dave Rose, the boys’ uncle, said they were spending the day with Savoie, who took them shopping and to a farm before they returned to his apartment for a sleepover.
"They had a super day,” said Rose. "That's the type of life they had and that's what we're going to try and remember."
Savoie told investigators he managed to trap the snake in a cage before alerting police. The snake was later euthanized by a veterinarian in Fredericton.
Autopsies on the bodies of the boys – who have been identified as Noah Barthe, 4, and Connor Barthe, 6 -- were performed in Saint John on Tuesday.
The RCMP said Monday they believe the snake strangled the boys, but Tremblay said Tuesday investigators are waiting for the results of an autopsy conducted Tuesday before commenting further.
"We can speculate, however, for the real cause of death we're going to have to wait for the pathologist's report," he said.
"As police officers in this type of investigation, we try not to focus on one thing. But at this point we believe the snake is involved."
Police have yet to say if any charges will be laid in the tragic deaths, which experts have described as extremely rare.
"I have 23 years of service, and I've never been involved in such a terrible story,” Tremblay said.
The RCMP have enlisted the help of a reptile expert from the Magnetic Hill Zoo in Moncton for their investigation.
Tremblay added that police will soon be meeting with Savoie, who owns the Reptile Ocean store.
He would not comment on whether Savoie had the right to hold the snake—which was identified as an African Rock Python – saying that the investigation is continuing.
"The investigator is still looking into whether he had all the rights to keep such (an) animal," Tremblay said. "There are a lot of things to look at. We're just at the first step of this investigation."
However, the New Brunswick government said no permit was issued for the python.
Steve Benteau, a spokesman for the provincial Natural Resources Department, said the province wasn't aware the snake was being kept at the apartment.
The department said the snake is generally only permitted in accredited zoos, unless there is a special permit.
CTV's Atlantic Bureau Chief Todd Battis said in the last 20 years, there haven't been any reported cases of snake strangulations in Canada.
Bry Loyst, curator of Ontario’s Indian River Reptile Zoo, told CTVNews.ca that the python may have mistaken the boys for food, explaining that snakes don’t intentionally attack humans.
The deaths have left the Campbellton community shaken and stunned.
“It’s a tragic, tragic thing,” said Terry Rose, great uncle of the boys. “Who would have thought something like this would happen around here? Especially in New Brunswick, something like that, but I don’t know what to say. Many weird things can happen in the world.”
"We're all overwhelmed here," Stephanie Bernatchez told The Canadian Press on Tuesday. "They could have been hit by a car, but a snake? That's not something people around here expect."
Bernatchez said she shares a mutual friend with the mother of the two victims, who are being remembered as fun-loving free spirits.
"They were two kids who were very well brought up," Bernatchez said. "Kind, polite -- they loved being together and playing together. They were sociable, played well with other kids."
Shawna MacEachern, a childhood friend of Mandy Trecartin, the mother of the two boys, said she was devoted to her children.
"She loved her babies. They meant everything to her," MacEachern said. "She was an awesome mother."
A fundraiser is being organized to help Trecartin with the cost of her sons’ funerals.
“She’s got some good people, good family that certainly are going to help her,” says Deputy Mayor Ian Comeau. “The community is going to rally.”
That earlier report of the snake's escape from the store could be
a fabrication to cover up the monstrous stupidity of leaving the
python to keep company with the kids.
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/snake-be...led-boys-was-kept-in-apartment-rcmp-1.1399690
The large python that is believed to have strangled two young New Brunswick brothers while they slept was being held in the apartment where the boys were sleeping, not in the reptile store below as previously believed.
RCMP Sgt. Alain Tremblay confirmed during a news conference Tuesday afternoon that a criminal investigation has been launched into the incident in Campbellton.
He also said investigators are treating the Pleasant Street apartment and reptile store where the brothers were found as a crime scene.
Police said the 15-foot, 100-pound snake managed to escape its enclosure through a ventilation duct and entered the apartment's ventilation system.
It then fell through the ceiling into the living room where the brothers were sleeping on a mattress.
Tremblay said the bodies of the two boys were discovered by Jean-Claude Savoie, who lives in the apartment with his son, shortly after 6 a.m. Monday.
Dave Rose, the boys’ uncle, said they were spending the day with Savoie, who took them shopping and to a farm before they returned to his apartment for a sleepover.
"They had a super day,” said Rose. "That's the type of life they had and that's what we're going to try and remember."
Savoie told investigators he managed to trap the snake in a cage before alerting police. The snake was later euthanized by a veterinarian in Fredericton.
Autopsies on the bodies of the boys – who have been identified as Noah Barthe, 4, and Connor Barthe, 6 -- were performed in Saint John on Tuesday.
The RCMP said Monday they believe the snake strangled the boys, but Tremblay said Tuesday investigators are waiting for the results of an autopsy conducted Tuesday before commenting further.
"We can speculate, however, for the real cause of death we're going to have to wait for the pathologist's report," he said.
"As police officers in this type of investigation, we try not to focus on one thing. But at this point we believe the snake is involved."
Police have yet to say if any charges will be laid in the tragic deaths, which experts have described as extremely rare.
"I have 23 years of service, and I've never been involved in such a terrible story,” Tremblay said.
The RCMP have enlisted the help of a reptile expert from the Magnetic Hill Zoo in Moncton for their investigation.
Tremblay added that police will soon be meeting with Savoie, who owns the Reptile Ocean store.
He would not comment on whether Savoie had the right to hold the snake—which was identified as an African Rock Python – saying that the investigation is continuing.
"The investigator is still looking into whether he had all the rights to keep such (an) animal," Tremblay said. "There are a lot of things to look at. We're just at the first step of this investigation."
However, the New Brunswick government said no permit was issued for the python.
Steve Benteau, a spokesman for the provincial Natural Resources Department, said the province wasn't aware the snake was being kept at the apartment.
The department said the snake is generally only permitted in accredited zoos, unless there is a special permit.
CTV's Atlantic Bureau Chief Todd Battis said in the last 20 years, there haven't been any reported cases of snake strangulations in Canada.
Bry Loyst, curator of Ontario’s Indian River Reptile Zoo, told CTVNews.ca that the python may have mistaken the boys for food, explaining that snakes don’t intentionally attack humans.
The deaths have left the Campbellton community shaken and stunned.
“It’s a tragic, tragic thing,” said Terry Rose, great uncle of the boys. “Who would have thought something like this would happen around here? Especially in New Brunswick, something like that, but I don’t know what to say. Many weird things can happen in the world.”
"We're all overwhelmed here," Stephanie Bernatchez told The Canadian Press on Tuesday. "They could have been hit by a car, but a snake? That's not something people around here expect."
Bernatchez said she shares a mutual friend with the mother of the two victims, who are being remembered as fun-loving free spirits.
"They were two kids who were very well brought up," Bernatchez said. "Kind, polite -- they loved being together and playing together. They were sociable, played well with other kids."
Shawna MacEachern, a childhood friend of Mandy Trecartin, the mother of the two boys, said she was devoted to her children.
"She loved her babies. They meant everything to her," MacEachern said. "She was an awesome mother."
A fundraiser is being organized to help Trecartin with the cost of her sons’ funerals.
“She’s got some good people, good family that certainly are going to help her,” says Deputy Mayor Ian Comeau. “The community is going to rally.”
humans are not antelopes. Snakes always go for the head so once our heads are swallowed, the shoulders get in the way...watch a million snake eats w/e video and you will notice that all the animals being devoured dont have shoulders like us.
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