Pet Held For Ransom

[RTRD]

In response...

Again my interpretation of what love is maybe be different than some, so this may be a circular arguement. Though a person may not be consciously know why they are or fall in love with another, underlying that, there has to be certain subconscious criteria that was met.

With the sexual act removed, its difficult to define what love truly is, inorder to suit all people.

"I do believe that some species are superior to humans. Not dogs and cats persay but other. We knowingly polute ourselves with bad food, smoking, drugs, and also detroy our own habitat and environment."

See I believe humans are superior in any and all cases because we have souls - because we were created in the image of God. And no, before you ask, I a) don't believe animals have souls or b) do not consider myself a radical fudimentalist Christian. Though others - especially here - might.

Lets not blur the lines of what I'm trying to say too much. If I had a choice to save a human life over an animals life, all things being equal, there's no arguement.

However if the human happen to be a child molestor or a mass murder, or a person who swindled the elderly out of their life saving, the animal's got a better shot.

I believe ALL human life is scared and would never chose an animal under any circumstances over a human. (And yet - oddly - I favor the death penalty. I guess it goes back to my belief in choices made and the consequenes thereof)

Based on this, so when a child is born, do they not build a bond with the parent, and because they take care of them, nuture them, does that not build love for that parent?

Damn good question. I am not certain all children love their parents. I think many see them as merely providers. But I get your point - I'd like to think my son loves me, and no, he could not have made a rational, conscious decision to do so. Damn good point...I guess I just don't see the relationship between dog and master as being the same as child and parent....especially now that I am one (parent)...but I've never been a dog, so....

Again my interpretation of what love is maybe be different than some, so this may be a circular arguement. Though a person may not be consciously know why they are or fall in love with another, underlying that, there has to be certain subconscious criteria that was met.

With the sexual act removed, its difficult to define what love truly is, inorder to suit all people

Agreed. I just don't believe an animal is capable of it, but you have made very valid points.

 

[SPQR]

I'm starting to understand your point a bit more now.
You value animals, but don't exactly value them AS much as humans.
The point about "if you harmed my family" is interesting.
I'm convinced I could kill a person in self-defense. However, if the guy was convicted and sent to death row for hurting my family, I doubt I could "pull the switch". You know what I mean? In cold blood.
But I'd have NO problem killing the Dog that scared my kids at all.
The reason I didn't is because I like the Family, and would not want to hurt their feelings.

Whew, I'm glad we're finding common ground.

I guess difference would still be, I would have no problem pulling the switch.

So I guess humanity's value for me is on a meter or scale. Its based on circumstances of the individual, versus as a whole.

Make sense? Cool?

 

[RTRD]

Agreed

Absolutely, and badly.



Again I think that's a generalization. People can interact with society successfully, but still have a close relationship with animals.

Its obscession where therproblem lies. A person with 50 cats, then I have question why. But a person who enjoys spending their free time throwing a firsbee or taking walks with their dog, versus have a few ales at the pub with some mates I would not consider dysfunctional.

...on both counts.

But when someone says "I don't like most humans, but like I most animals", to me such a person has a problem.

As diverse as we are - how could someone POSSIBLY not like "most humans" unless you have a fundimental problem with humanity? I mean, what could be more narrowminded than that?

 

[SPQR]

Agreed. I just don't believe an animal is capable of it, but you have made very valid points.

Thanks. I enjoyed the discussion. You were good adversaries.

I would have commented further, but some of the areas we were talking about circled around religion, and I have made it a point to not discuss those topics.

Because I would never force my beliefs on anyone, and I understand how important beliefs are to people so its always best left alone.

Fair enough?

 

[Diode]

Thanks. I enjoyed the discussion. You were good adversaries.

I would have commented further, but some of the areas we were talking about circled around religion, and I have made it a point to not discuss those topics.

Because I would never force my beliefs on anyone, and I understand how important beliefs are to people so its always best left alone.

Fair enough?

Aye...Captin, my Captian.
Fair Enough.

 

[Brookstone]

I have to applaude you guys esp, diode, mlam and spqr. Though you guys have different view/opinions, you guys didnt really take it personally and turn into argument or anything. Everyone was able to express the views and able to have discussions about it. Which is what these board/forums should be.
Too many times things just turn into a i'm right and you're wrong kinda thing and it just keeps escalating from there.

 

[SPQR]

I have to applaude you guys esp, diode, mlam and spqr. Though you guys have different view/opinions, you guys didnt really take it personally and turn into argument or anything. Everyone was able to express the views and able to have discussions about it. Which is what these board/forums should be.
Too many times things just turn into a i'm right and you're wrong kinda thing and it just keeps escalating from there.

Thanks. Unfortunately I wasn't able to keep my cool in another thread, but these folks were great debators.

 

[lonecoxxman]

Because I like most animals better than I like most people.

- Morgan

What she said!

 

[Diode]

What she said!

Been there.Done that. Read the thread.

 

[Diode]

By the way....Could this be "The best Thread ever?


says the comic store guy!