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Hey Mr. Nitpicker...He wasn't convicted of raping his own wife...It was convicted of raping desiree Washington and to this day he clearly denies it...https://www.newsweek.com/mike-tyson-sexual-assault-rape-conviction-1992-1596437
Good nitpicking on your part. LOL. I stand corrected.

I know his wife was damn scared of him. But at least we agree that he is a convicted rapist.

It's like in Shawshank when Red says to Andy, "Everybody in here is innocent."
 

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Wow bro you sound unhinged
Were you in the room with the women ? Can you say %100 she was raped ? No you can’t and women are scandalous liars mostly ,, certainly clout chasers what was she doing in his room in the early hours of the morning ??
nobody questioned how you live your life but you sure as heck are judgemental
Typical lefty thinks they are better than everyone else
But hey grooming school kids is all ok huh lol
Get a grip bro
Who sounds unhinged now? You are an apologist and very defensive of a felon who was fairly convicted in a court by a jury of his peers, ( I assume there was a jury.) His history will forever show that he raped.

You didn't seem to answer my question. Would you tell your sons to emulate Tyson and the way he lived his life? Do what Mike did.
 

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Also who cares how much money he spent he earned it and he blew it so be it man ?? He openly admits to have made many mistakes and done many bad things unlike the left that thinks their shit don’t stink
Admitting to being a thug with a thug mentality does not make him any less of a thug.

It sounds you'd be cool if your sons were thugs and went to jail for rape.
 

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2003 is a long time ago. I get the impression that he is doing OK, but probably misses the action in the ring, the fan's cheering etc. Much like how many bands who have done well financially keep going at it.
I could be wrong, not as if I know the guy. I do hope he crushes buddy though.
Also consider his opponent, not as if he is going to take a beating from a real boxer.
I'll admit that I never liked or respected the guy. I'll keep running with that.

Not that I have any inside info, but I'm assuming he badly needs the money, even with the $10M he has. Why else would he do it? It's not going to enhance his legacy as a boxer.
 

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2003 is a long time ago. I get the impression that he is doing OK, but probably misses the action in the ring, the fan's cheering etc. Much like how many bands who have done well financially keep going at it.
I agree that is a valid comparison. The difference is that they are not risking permanent brain damage from a single punch. Worst case scenario is that Mick will need a hip replacement.
 

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Tyson never saw that kind of money

once Don King got involved he robed him blind
Even with Don King's shenanigans he still had a net worth of 3-400 mill.
 
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This. ⬇. Guess that advanced degree in logic isn't of much use, eh shack?
Glad to see I got under your skin. You just can't let go. LOL
 

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Good nitpicking on your part. LOL. I stand corrected.

I know his wife was damn scared of him. But at least we agree that he is a convicted rapist.

It's like in Shawshank when Red says to Andy, "Everybody in here is innocent."
You're referring to the Barbara Walters interview with him and Robin Givens. Her and her mother were trying fleece him financially during their brief marriage at the time. She buried him during the interview.

And know I don't think he raped Desiree Washington...He got railroaded based on the evidence.

And that ''thug'' grew up in Brownsville Brooklyn. His mother was a prostitute and his step father was a pimp. Tyson's mother died when he was 16...Then he was taken in and adopted by Cus D'Amato his trainer. He straightened him out and kept him off the streets. Problem is that Cus died in 1985 before he was the heavyweight champion. Now he is on the brink of superstardom without his mentor and tutor. No wonder he spirals into problems. He didn't have much chance right from the get go
 

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You don’t even make any sense another unhinged lefty crying about nothing
This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a person's character. Biting ears off. I'm going to eat your children. I've fully explained why I hope he loses and said nothing that wasn't factual. How is that unhinged?

I'll try for a third time. Would you tell your son, look at Mike Tyson and emulate him. I want you to be just like him. Live your life the way that he has and I'll be proud to call you my son. Let him be your role model.

You're entitled to cheer for Tyson and admire him. I'm equally entitled to consider him a thug and hope he gets beat. Is there something wrong with that. Or do I have to cheer for who you do. I'm not going to cheer for anyone who I don't respect as a person.

As I said, trying to stand up for him by trying to insult me politically makes it seems that you are very sensitive about this topic. Why are you being so defensive? One might even say "unhinged". LOL.

p.s. I'm sure you'll be a great dad and looking forward to reading your answer.
 
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You're referring to the Barbara Walters interview with him and Robin Givens. Her and her mother were trying fleece him financially during their brief marriage at the time. She buried him during the interview.

And know I don't think he raped Desiree Washington...He got railroaded based on the evidence.

And that ''thug'' grew up in Brownsville Brooklyn. His mother was a prostitute and his step father was a pimp. Tyson's mother died when he was 16...Then he was taken in and adopted by Cus D'Amato his trainer. He straightened him out and kept him off the streets. Problem is that Cus died in 1985 before he was the heavyweight champion. Now he is on the brink of superstardom without his mentor and tutor. No wonder he spirals into problems. He didn't have much chance right from the get go
Orry, everything you say is true.

However, IMO, you cannot defend him for the crime of rape as he was given a fair and proper trial. In our society that is what's considered proof of guilt or innocence. Extenuating circumstances are no longer part of the equation. He had his day in court.

Did he have a poor and disadvantaged upbringing? It sure seems that way. But, as we both know, boxing is notorious as a sport in which probably at least 90% of the participants came from poor and disadvantage backgrounds. Probably more than any other sport in the world. However, how many become rapists, cannibals and threaten to cannibalize other people's children. It's a disgusting thing to just even say. How many people tell interviewers that they are "pieces of shit" on live TV when they're supposedly rehabilitated? And he was probably getting paid for that interview.

Again, if you want to cheer for him, go right ahead. I'm not telling you that you have to dislike him like I do. I'm just giving my reasons for disliking him. You like ultra-fit women with 6-packs and I like softer, curvier ones. Neither of us is wrong. "Chacun son gout."
 
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I miss the good old days of boxing. Its now become a farce. Tyson is 57 and Paul is 27.
 

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And know I don't think he raped Desiree Washington...He got railroaded based on the evidence.

And that ''thug'' grew up in Brownsville Brooklyn. His mother was a prostitute and his step father was a pimp. Tyson's mother died when he was 16...Then he was taken in and adopted by Cus D'Amato his trainer. He straightened him out and kept him off the streets. Problem is that Cus died in 1985 before he was the heavyweight champion. Now he is on the brink of superstardom without his mentor and tutor. No wonder he spirals into problems. He didn't have much chance right from the get go
I don't mind Mike but you can't believe he didn't have a rapist's mindset and would accept a NO from a lady. She was silly to go to his room, but that doesn't take away her right to say no. I believe he raped her and others because in his mind he was doing them a favor. He was high on his power and also based on his upbringing, women do not get the privilege of turning him down for sex.
 
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He himself has said it, that he was not above violating a woman. I think he denies raping Desiree, because it is too personal, but I fully believe that the mindset he was in, at that time, he was capable and most probably did rape the woman. But it is also likely she was a groupie.

His animalistic mindset is what made him such an intimidating opponent. The other fighters already lost the fight in their mind before the first punch was thrown. You can't just turn that switch off when now you have a sexy little lady in front of you if you are Mike Tyson in his prime.
 

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It was who he was. He wanted to kill everyone because he had so much resentment and anger. For others it was a sport, for him it was his way of expressing his inner demons. So that stayed with him a long time. I think what might have broken him is his kid dying on that treadmill.
When he chomped on Holifield's ear I was jumping up and down screaming at the TV.

HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT MIKE BIT HIS EAR!!!!!! LOL
 
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His animalistic mindset is what made him such an intimidating opponent. The other fighters already lost the fight in their mind before the first punch was thrown. You can't just turn that switch off when now you have a sexy little lady in front of you if you are Mike Tyson in his prime.
You seem to have a rare grasp of the predators mind...
 
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Stop projecting.
I was minding my own business and you popped out of nowhere talking logic this and fake courses that. You are desperately looking for the most miniscule things to try and get back at me for embarrassing you. The key word there is "desperately". Keep trying. I'm having fun.
 

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This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with a person's character. Biting ears off. I'm going to eat your children. I've fully explained why I hope he loses and said nothing that wasn't factual. How is that unhinged?

I'll try for a third time. Would you tell your son, look at Mike Tyson and emulate him. I want you to be just like him. Live your life the way that he has and I'll be proud to call you my son. Let him be your role model.

You're entitled to cheer for Tyson and admire him. I'm equally entitled to consider him a thug and hope he gets beat. Is there something wrong with that. Or do I have to cheer for who you do. I'm not going to cheer for anyone who I don't respect as a person.
I think Mike Tyson was a beast back in the day, but as I understand it, his is the story of recovery and redemption and personal growth.

People generally don't change, I think he did. He might not be perfect, but he isn't the thug that he was. He sure as hell ain't no Justin Beiber. ;)
 

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I don't mind Mike but you can't believe he didn't have a rapist's mindset and would accept a NO from a lady. She was silly to go to his room, but that doesn't take away her right to say no.
I've seen in video hot chicks throwing themselves at Chris Brown who beat thie shit out of Rheianna and even got a tattoo of her battered face on him.

Just like dudes with crazy chicks, plenty of women out there seem to lose all concept of self preservation when it comes to the hyper attractive weather it be from looks, charm, status or wealth.
 
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