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Patrick Buchanan: Is Putin's Russia an 'Evil Empire'?

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Or......

He has nothing to trade. Because nothing illegal happened at the meeting.

Take a step back and look.
Just agreeing to meet and/or endorsing such a meeting with a corrupt intent to conspire to commit a crime, not to mention actually meeting to conspire, even though you may allege that nothing came of the meeting, is still a crime of conspiracy.

Give us a break.
 

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Just agreeing to meet and/or endorsing such a meeting with a corrupt intent to conspire to commit a crime, not to mention actually meeting to conspire, even though you may allege that nothing came of the meeting, is still a crime of conspiracy.

Give us a break.
Digging up dirt on your opposition is not a crime, even from a foreign national. Just ask Hillary. Especially if the quo is only monetary.
 

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Digging up dirt on your opposition is not a crime, even from a foreign national. Just ask Hillary. Especially if the quo is only monetary.
Umm what do you mean "quo is only monetary"? It seems that Trump, by sucking Putin's dick at the summit, did, among many other things, give Putin's regime a huge boost in terms of its legitimacy in the eyes of every half-ass dictator in every semi-shitty country in the world. Wasn't it a part of Trump's payment for the dirt delivered by Russians?

This is Evil triumphing over Good around the world.
 

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Just agreeing to meet and/or endorsing such a meeting with a corrupt intent to conspire to commit a crime, not to mention actually meeting to conspire, even though you may allege that nothing came of the meeting, is still a crime of conspiracy.

Give us a break.
Then why no charges?
 

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Digging up dirt on your opposition is not a crime, even from a foreign national. Just ask Hillary. Especially if the quo is only monetary.
Foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to campaigns and endorsing and agreeing to meet for the exchange of such contributions and actually meeting for such contributions is considered to be conspiring with foreign agents of an adversarial government to defraud the USA not to mention violating campaign finance laws.

Imploring upon Russia to 'find the 30,000 missing emails', which most likely would have included criminal acts, may also be considered to be conspiring to defraud and illegal campaign contributions.

I guess you're going to say:

There was no collusion, and even if there was, collusion is not a crime. And even if collusion is crime, a sitting President cannot be indicted. And even if a sitting President is indicted ..... what about Hillary!
 

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Foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to campaigns and endorsing and agreeing to meet for the exchange of such contributions and actually meeting for such contributions is considered to be conspiring with foreign agents of an adversarial government to defraud the USA not to mention violating campaign finance laws.

Imploring upon Russia to 'find the 30,000 missing emails', which most likely would have included criminal acts, may also be considered to be conspiring to defraud and illegal campaign contributions.

I guess your going to say:

There was no collusion, and even if there was, collusion is not a crime. And even if collusion is crime, a sitting President cannot be indicted. And even if a sitting President is indicted ..... what about Hillary!
So what is the Dossier then?
 

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As well Tony Podesta and the former WH council just got refered for investigation due to their work with Manafort.

So one of the heads of the group that works for the DNC is under Russia investigation according to your standard. And the Lawyer appointed by Obama to know all the WH secrets as well.

Care to comment?
 

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So what is the Dossier then?
The dossier was an investigative report prepared by a person know to and trusted by American intelligence which has been largely, although not entirely, corroborated, regardless of who originally commissioned it or paid for it.
 

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As well Tony Podesta and the former WH council just got refered for investigation due to their work with Manafort.

So one of the heads of the group that works for the DNC is under Russia investigation according to your standard. And the Lawyer appointed by Obama to know all the WH secrets as well.

Care to comment?
So you mean the referral of Podesta et al to the Southern District is also a witch hunt? It was also the fruit of whatever investigation was begun by Mueller.
 

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So you mean the referral of Podesta et al to the Southern District is also a witch hunt? It was also the fruit of whatever investigation was begun by Mueller.
No. And I don't think nailing Manafort is a bad thing. But please remember this. Washington is a small town. And this can of worms is opening further.
 

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The dossier was an investigative report prepared by a person know to and trusted by American intelligence which has been largely, although not entirely, corroborated, regardless of who originally commissioned it or paid for it.
Private foreign national contacts Russian sources for dirt on a political opponent. And paid for it.

That's either illegal it not. Buts it's no different then the Trump tower meeting. Take your pick.
 

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Private foreign national contacts Russian sources for dirt on a political opponent. And paid for it.

That's either illegal it not. Buts it's no different then the Trump tower meeting. Take your pick.
A former MI5 agent, trusted source who was well known and trusted by American intelligence brought to their attention what he considered alarming information. Isn't that what you would hope a friendly former agent of an ally would do. I would. What if the information was true. I would hope that a friendly agent would let the intelligence community know. But then of course I do not suffer from HUTA syndrome.
 

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No. And I don't think nailing Manafort is a bad thing. But please remember this. Washington is a small town. And this can of worms is opening further.
LOL. But the investigation of Trump by the same commission is a witch hunt?
 

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A former MI5 agent, trusted source who was well known and trusted by American intelligence brought to their attention what he considered alarming information. Isn't that what you would hope a friendly former agent of an ally would do. I would. What if the information was true. I would hope that a friendly agent would let the intelligence community know. But then of course I do not suffer from HUTA syndrome.
He was paid to do it by the DNC.

And people will do things for it money. He didn't consider it a security risk to do it. But that doesn't mean he won't give fdlse information.

That was his job, remember?
 

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LOL. But the investigation of Trump by the same commission is a witch hunt?
Have I ever used that term. Not that I remember. But either way I think it's a a waste of time.

He is going to finish out his term.
 

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A former MI5 agent, trusted source who was well known and trusted by American intelligence brought to their attention what he considered alarming information. Isn't that what you would hope a friendly former agent of an ally would do. I would. What if the information was true. I would hope that a friendly agent would let the intelligence community know. But then of course I do not suffer from HUTA syndrome.
Steele a trusted source? Why then the FBI cut him loose? LOL!!!!
 

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Steele a trusted source? Why then the FBI cut him loose? LOL!!!!
Yes he was a trusted source who had previously supplied reliable and useful information to American intelligence. No idea what you mean by cut him lose. In any event you keep repeating the phony narrative that the Mueller investigation was triggered by the dossier. It was not.
 

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Yes he was a trusted source who had previously supplied reliable and useful information to American intelligence. No idea what you mean by cut him lose. In any event you keep repeating the phony narrative that the Mueller investigation was triggered by the dossier. It was not.
Flynn was a trusted source at one time as well.

People change. Greed does that.
 
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