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Patrick Buchanan: Is Putin's Russia an 'Evil Empire'?

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"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce," a saying attributed to Karl Marx, comes to mind in this time of Trump.

To those of us raised in the Truman era, when the Red Army was imposing its bloody Bolshevik rule on half of Europe, and NATO was needed to keep Stalin's armies from the Channel, the threat seemed infinitely more serious. And so it was.

There were real traitors in that time.

Alger Hiss, a top State Department aide, at FDR's side at Yalta, was exposed as a Stalinist spy by Congressman Richard Nixon. Harry Dexter White, No. 2 at Treasury, Laurence Duggan at State, and White House aide Lauchlin Currie were all exposed as spies. Then there was the Rosenberg spy ring that gave Stalin the secrets of the atom bomb.

Who do we have today to match Hiss and the Rosenbergs? A 29-year-old redheaded Russian Annie Oakley named Maria Butina, accused of infiltrating the National Rifle Association and the National Prayer Breakfast.

Is Putin's Russia really a reincarnation of Stalin's Soviet Union? Is Russia a threat of similar magnitude?

Russia is "our No. 1 geopolitical foe," thundered Mitt Romney in 2012, now cited as a sage by liberals who used to castigate Republicans for any skepticism of detente during the Cold War.


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Perhaps it is time to contrast the USSR of Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev with the Russia of Vladimir Putin.

By the beginning of Reagan's tenure in 1981, 400,000 Red Army troops were in Central Europe, occupying the eastern bank of the Elbe.

West Berlin was surrounded by Russian troops. East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria were all ruled by Moscow's puppets. All belonged to a Warsaw Pact created to fight NATO. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Ukraine were inside the USSR.

By the end of the Jimmy Carter era, Moscow had driven into Ethiopia, Mozambique and Angola in Africa, Cuba in the Caribbean, and Nicaragua in Central America, in the greatest challenge ever to the Monroe Doctrine.

The Soviets had invaded and occupied Afghanistan. The Soviet navy, built up over 25 years by Adm. Sergey Gorshkov, was a global rival of a U.S. Navy that had sunk to 300 ships.


And today? The Soviet Empire is history. The Soviet Union is history, having splintered into 15 nations. Russia is smaller than it was in the 19th century. Russia is gone from Cuba, Grenada, Central America, Ethiopia, Angola and Mozambique.
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The Warsaw Pact is history. The Red Army is gone from Eastern Europe. The former Warsaw Pact nations of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria all belong to NATO, as do the former Soviet "republics" of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia.

When the flagship of Russia's navy, the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, sailed from Murmansk to Syria, it had to pass through the North Sea, the Channel, the east Atlantic, the Straits of Gibraltar, and then sail the length of the Med to anchor off Latakia.

Coming and going, the Kuznetsov was within range of anti-ship missiles, aircraft, submarines and surface ships of 20 NATO nations, among them Norway, Britain, Germany, France, Spain and Portugal, and many U.S. bases and warships.

Entering the Med, the Kuznetsov had to travel, without a naval base to refuel, within range of the missiles, planes and ships of Spain, France, Italy and Greece. Along the banks of the Adriatic and Aegean there are only NATO nations, except for Kosovo, which is home to the largest U.S. base in the Balkans, Camp Bondsteel.


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To sail from St. Petersburg through the Baltic Sea to the Atlantic, Russian warships must pass within range of 11 NATO nations — the three Baltic republics, Poland, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Britain and France.

The Black Sea's western and southern shores are now controlled entirely by NATO: Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey. Russia's lone land passage to its naval base in Crimea is a narrow bridge from the Kerch Peninsula.

With the breakup of the USSR, Russia has been reduced to two-thirds of the territory and half the population of the Soviet Union.

Its former republics and now neighbors Georgia and Ukraine are hostile. Its space launches are now done from a foreign land, Kazakhstan. Its economy has shrunk to the size of Italy's.

It has one-tenth the population and one-fifth the economy of its looming neighbor, China, and, except for territory, is even more dwarfed by the United States with a GDP of $20 trillion, and troops, bases and allies all over the world.

Most critically, Russia's regime is no longer Communist. The ideology that drove its imperialism is dead. There are parties, demonstrations and dissidents in Russia, and an Orthodox faith that is alive and promoted by Putin.

Where, today, is there a vital U.S. interest imperiled by Putin?

Better to jaw-jaw, than war-war, said Churchill. He was right, as is President Trump to keep talking to Putin — right through the Russophobia rampant in this city.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."

https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/patrick-buchanan-putins-russia-evil-empire
 

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While typically I disagree with Patrick Buchanan, in this case he is at least partially correct. The Russian Federation is not the Soviet State, under V.V. Putin Russia is hostile to the West, but actively evil in the way that the Soviet state was no.
 

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I don’t think it’s so much that they are not evil as it is they are so weak and irrelevant that they are no real threat to the US nor can they project what little power they have. A disarmed Europe, sure, but not a super power.
 

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I don’t think it’s so much that they are not evil as it is they are so weak and irrelevant that they are no real threat to the US nor can they project what little power they have. A disarmed Europe, sure, but not a super power.
Well they sure have managed to screw with your level of public discourse and national solidarity pretty damn good. But if that's not important …
 

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Well they sure have managed to screw with your level of public discourse and national solidarity pretty damn good. But if that's not important …
That the Dems needing a scapegoat, nothing more. Any time a Republican is elected president the sky-is-falling hysteria begins.
 

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It has one-tenth the population and one-fifth the economy of its looming neighbor, China, and, except for territory, is even more dwarfed by the United States with a GDP of $20 trillion, and troops, bases and allies all over the world.............
Where, today, is there a vital U.S. interest imperiled by Putin?

Better to jaw-jaw, than war-war, said Churchill. He was right, as is President Trump to keep talking to Putin — right through the Russophobia rampant in this city.
If Russia is dwarfed by the United States, not evil, has no power and there was no collusion, why Trump had to suck Putin's dick in public, I mean why did he have to talk to Putin at all?
Why shake hand of a murderer if you don't really have to?
 

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If Russia is dwarfed by the United States, not evil, has no power and there was no collusion, why Trump had to suck Putin's dick in public, I mean why did he have to talk to Putin at all?
Why shake hand of a murderer if you don't really have to?
In diplomacy it's called extending an olive branch to a US foe ever since the Cold War. They have power, they are a nuclear power, they are a smart people.

Why do you want bad relations with Russia?
 

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In diplomacy it's called extending an olive branch to a US foe ever since the Cold War. They have power, they are a nuclear power, they are a smart people.

Why do you want bad relations with Russia?
why do you not believe Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee when he said “No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are"?

Why do you have any trust that what happened behind closed doors between Trump and Putin for 2 hours was good for anyone except Putin and maybe Trump?
 

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Not unlike when a black president was elected.
Not at all, I know many republicans who didn’t like Obama (policies) but none of them cared that he was black.

The country loses its mind every time a Republican is elected POTUS. Just look at the crazy number of threads here.
 

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why do you not believe Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee when he said “No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are"?

Why do you have any trust that what happened behind closed doors between Trump and Putin for 2 hours was good for anyone except Putin and maybe Trump?
They said the same thing about Reagan in 1986 when he met with Gorby. They stated at the time they discussed nuclear disarmement. Pundits scoffed and he was called weak.

A year later an entire class of mid range nukes were eliminated on both sides and things continued.

That's why. It's called hope. And sometimes two leaders have to be able to speak candidly to accomplish things because there are outside forces at play.
 

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Putin's Russia does not have the military power of the USSR. It still has the largest army in Europe though and is a genuine military and nuclear power. Russia state-controlled media continually rants about how it could fry the USA in a nuclear war. Of course, that is purely to enthrall and confuse the domestic audience of muzhiks.

I note that Botty and Butty immediately deflected to Trump. Well done, boys. You met my expectations.

Putin's Russia has massive oil and gas power. The USSR did not have this power.

Putin's Russia has pretty much caused Brexit. It owns and pays - I suspect - a good % of the right wing politicians in Europe. Le Pen and Schoeder for sure. I would guess Boris Johnson too - just because he's such a self-seeking asshole. And Corbyn is a given.

Russia has screwed with every Western election for the last few years.

So - a hostile power that does not have the USSR's potential quick knockout punch, but which is still dangerous and is playing a "long game" very adeptly.
 

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Putin's Russia. . .owns and pays - I suspect - a good % of the right wing politicians in Europe. . . .And Corbyn is a given.
Save for the fact that he is on the opposite end of the political spectrum.

Doubtless Comrade Corbyn still worships at Lenin's Tomb
 

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That the Dems needing a scapegoat, nothing more. Any time a Republican is elected president the sky-is-falling hysteria begins.
And Donny'd rather make excuses for himself than do anything about Russians, or stop the Democrats from being their patsies.

Do I really have to point out to you that if all you have is two parties, then whoever is out of power must be in charge of "…the sky-is-falling hysteria". Republicans gave lessons during the previous President's two terms. And learned nothing themselves.
 

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The GOP went fucking insane when Obama was elected President, OTB is full of shit, the heavy gerrymandering that followed the 2010 midterms was all about insuring that a "Muslim nigger" would never occupy the Oval Office again. It's the gerrymandering that won Trump the 2016 election.

It saddens me to report this: There is no Hucka sex tape, I would have found it by now.
 

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Glenn Beck is a flaming pedophile. I haven't heard anything more disgusting than his attack on Malia Ann Obama, aren't minors supposed to be off limits. If President Obama ever gets an opportunity to open a big can of ass-whooping on Beck, he'll take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tM5VjJpfPo
 

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Putin's Russia does not have the military power of the USSR. It still has the largest army in Europe though and is a genuine military and nuclear power. Russia state-controlled media continually rants about how it could fry the USA in a nuclear war. Of course, that is purely to enthrall and confuse the domestic audience of muzhiks.

I note that Botty and Butty immediately deflected to Trump. Well done, boys. You met my expectations.

Putin's Russia has massive oil and gas power. The USSR did not have this power.

Putin's Russia has pretty much caused Brexit. It owns and pays - I suspect - a good % of the right wing politicians in Europe. Le Pen and Schoeder for sure. I would guess Boris Johnson too - just because he's such a self-seeking asshole. And Corbyn is a given.

Russia has screwed with every Western election for the last few years.

So - a hostile power that does not have the USSR's potential quick knockout punch, but which is still dangerous and is playing a "long game" very adeptly.
Russia also kills political enemies and defectors AND their family members. Not just kills them, but does it in a most obvious way (polonium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko, novichok https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/14/novichok-could-russias-terrifying-weapon-war-west/) so that there'd be no doubt that the orders came from the top.

I strongly suspect that latest killing with novichok was mostly a signal to ppl like Manafort to keep their mouth shut. Manafort clearly would benefit from flipping but he does not flip either because he expects a pardon OR is afraid of Russians or both.
 

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Russia also kills political enemies and defectors AND their family members. Not just kills them, but does it in a most obvious way (polonium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko, novichok https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/14/novichok-could-russias-terrifying-weapon-war-west/) so that there'd be no doubt that the orders came from the top.

I strongly suspect that latest killing with novichok was mostly a signal to ppl like Manafort to keep their mouth shut. Manafort clearly would benefit from flipping but he does not flip either because he expects a pardon OR is afraid of Russians or both.
Or he has nothing to turn with. This theory falls apart if you consider supposedly Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Gates have something to say.

If conspirators are scared.....why aren't they scared for themselves and their families?
 

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Or he has nothing to turn with. This theory falls apart if you consider supposedly Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Gates have something to say.

If conspirators are scared.....why aren't they scared for themselves and their families?
Manafort was at the infamous meeting mere hours after which Trump announced that he had shit on Clinton. Manafort must have something to say. Maybe others didn't. Maybe others are not as scared cuz they barely believe in Russian danger. Manafort spent lots of time in Ukraine and must understand the danger better than many.

Also note that Putin kills their own. Maybe Manafort spent enough time in Kiev inside the corrupt conspirators group to be considered one of their own.
 

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Manafort was at the infamous meeting mere hours after which Trump announced that he had shit on Clinton. Manafort must have something to say. Maybe others didn't. Maybe others are not as scared cuz they barely believe in Russian danger. Manafort spent lots of time in Ukraine and must understand the danger better than many.

Also note that Putin kills their own. Maybe Manafort spent enough time in Kiev inside the corrupt conspirators group to be considered one of their own.
Or......

He has nothing to trade. Because nothing illegal happened at the meeting.

Take a step back and look.
 
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