Pat Hentgen calls it a career

[Mudd Stuffin]

I little late, but he retired today.

A great pitcher and a great representative of the Blue Jays.
Too bad he couldn't make it through the whole season.

Cheers to Pat.

 

[Ranger68]

I don't know how late it was, to be honest - he had a very effective second half last year, right when you would expect him to be getting back to 100% after surgery. Ah, well - as Yogi said, 50% of baseball is 90% mental.

Thanks for the memories, Pat.

 

[shack]

Ah, well - as Yogi said, 50% of baseball is 90% mental.

More like "Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical."

 

[Leaffan1976]

Sorry to hear that hes decided to call it a career. But he said he hoped that in his return to the Jays he could help them out more than he has shown this season. So he did the classy thing to retire.

Ill never forget what he did for the Jays in the World Series. One of the great pitchers the Jay's ever had

 

[healer677]

Classy player, certainly deserving of all the praises.

Hopefully he'll be remenbered by the fans with fondness, much like Steib and Key before him.

 

[shack]

John Olerud was just released by the Mariners. Not many guys left from the champ teams. I know Timlin and Alomar are still around. Anyone else?

 

[jwmorrice]

From 1992, there's David Wells. From 1993, there's Al Leiter.

jwm

 

[Ref]

Pat Borders is with the Mariners and BJ Birdy is now "Maxwell the Muckdog" for the Batavia Muckdogs.

http://www.muckdogs.com/frame_pages/photos/3_1.JPG

 

[bigshow2004]

he is a clall act but he is done

 

[jwmorrice]

Pat Borders is now with AAA Tacoma but perhaps he'll be back in the majors at some point.

jwm

 

[Leaffan1976]

wonder if spoljaric will be back in the majors nice to see him represent Team Canada in Athens

 

[Toronto Passions]

Too bad for Pat. He hasn't lost anything off of his fastball. It's still at 89 - 91 mph like it has been since his Cy award year. I thought he was just catching too much of the plate and not mixing it up enough.

I'll never understand how a guy like Clemens looked to be all but done in 96. Throwing between 88 mph and 90 mph in the ALCS when he was with the Red Sox, having a barley 500 season, then, only to come to Toronto and start throwing in the 95 mph - 98 mph range again only to win 2 more Cy's with the Jays. And look at what he has done since and look at him now? Aside from Sandy Koufax, pound for pound, who's better?


He must be working out with Bonds, Giambi and Sheffield. Oh, and wasn't Clemens the one that talked Canceco into waving his non Canadian team trade clause and becoming a Jay?

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm......

 

[Ranger68]

Philip, this should prove to you how much win-loss record is a reflection of a pitcher's talent - or, more accurately, how little. In '96, Clemens' ERA was down from the previous year, his WHIP down, his opponents' BA down, his strikeout ratio up - all very positive indications. The Win-Loss record is fairly meaningless.

Actually, his '93 year looks much worse in context - his numbers were ALL worse than the previous year by a fair margin and his next two seasons were shortened due to the strike and injury but showed little improvement. His '96 campaign, in hindsight, was the first indication of his "comeback".
Clemens is the greatest pitcher of our generation, one of the greatest of all time. Since he's still accumulating totals, I'll hold off on who's better.

 

[Goober Mcfly]

Philip, this should prove to you how much win-loss record is a reflection of a pitcher's talent - or, more accurately, how little. In '96, Clemens' ERA was down from the previous year, his WHIP down, his opponents' BA down, his strikeout ratio up - all very positive indications. The Win-Loss record is fairly meaningless.

*chuckles at the irony*

 

[Toronto Passions]

Philip chuckles too.

 

[Ranger68]

And anyone who can't separate a *team's* win-loss record as indicative of team play from a *pitcher's* win-loss record as NOT indicative of his talent is a lost cause, as far as baseball discussions go. LOL Did Clemens outpitch most teams in the '96 season? Yup. Did the Red Sox outplay them in most of those games? Nope. ... Just goes to show you that pitching and goaltending aren't everything.

Back to the books, Goob - I can see your self-imposed hiatus hasn't been spent improving your intellect. LOL

 

[Goober Mcfly]

*chuckles at the irony of Ranger68 not seeing the irony*

 

[Toronto Passions]

*chuckles at the irony of Ranger68 not seeing the irony*

Philip chuckles again. (this time making a noise)

 

[Ranger68]

There's no irony to see.
Here, wait a minute .... *rummaging* ... ah
*hands Goober a dictionary*

 

[Toronto Passions]

He's not talking about you or what you said Ranger.

He's talking about me.