Passenger: Attack on bus leaves man beheaded

jwmorrice

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In the laboratory.
Stereotype or Unpleasant Fact

Here are the conclusions of a nice review on the association of violence and mental illness.

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http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/mh-sm/pubs/mental_illness/index-eng.php#tc
Conclusions:

In light of the foregoing annotated review and discussion, it is possible to identify that which we are relatively confident of, and that about which we remain uncertain.

Given the methodological problems that have plagued this field, a causal inference that mental illness causes violence cannot yet be made for the following reasons:

a) Studies examining the relationship between mental illness and violence have been largely restricted to selected offender or patient populations. Because of their selected nature, these studies are not sufficient to draw etiological inferences about the role of mental illness in causing violence in general. They only provide evidence of an association among selected sub-groups of persons who come into contact with services because they are more likely to be violent in the first place.

b) General population studies that have overcome this selection bias have shown a statistical association between some mental illnesses and violence. However, these studies have been cross-sectional in nature so have been unable to establish the temporal ordering of study factors. Therefore, at best, they could provide only weak evidence to support an etiological inference. In addition, however, it is possible that the statistical associations noted are an artifact of the manner in which mental illness and violence were defined. These studies have failed to derive measures of mental illness that are independent of violence. Given this problem, findings from these studies cannot be used to form the basis of an etiological argument.

Without further well-controlled epidemiological investigations, there is insufficient evidence to infer an etiological relationship between mental illness and violence.

Based on the foregoing review, however, we can be relatively confident that:

a) the prevalence of mental illness (particularly substance abuse disorders) among incarcerated populations is high, reflecting a population that is in particularly great need of services;

b) former mental patients may be at high risk of arrest and violence when released into the community, particularly if they have a history of prior arrests or violence or if they experience psychotic symptoms;

c) family members (not the general public) are the most likely targets of violence from former mentally ill patients in the community; and

d) hospitalized mental patients are at high risk of committing violence, particularly if they have a history of prior violence or if they experience psychotic symptoms.
 

buttercup

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. . . the question is whether or not he is legally insane.


He cut someone's head off on a bus. What kind of test would you use, to tell whether he's insane?
 

bestillmehard

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I read that the cops leaked out a tape from the scene that said the guy was not only hacking the victim up but eating his flesh as well
 

james t kirk

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cancowboy2001 said:
Thomislav Dosen
A short abstract is available from the archives of the Hamilton Spectator (and the Toronto Star) - you can buy the whole article for $3.95. Click on the link - I didn't duplicate the abstract due to copyright.

Holdup suspect slain by Hamilton officer
Aug 10, 1986
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/hamilto...desc=Holdup+suspect+slain+by+Hamilton+officer
Fuuuccckkk, you're good.

I didn't bother to search that because I thought it would never exist.

My long term memory still rocks, too bad I can't remember what I had for dinner last night. I remembered the guy's name and the year it happened. Then again, when someone points a gun right at your head, you tend to remember....

Which get back to my point, from my experience, you don't even know what's going on before it's too late, let alone actually know what to do, or do it.
 

james t kirk

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Esco! said:
ROFLMAO.............are you serious????!!! :D
I bought that article because, well, him and I crossed paths in a bad way back in 86. The article wasn't the one that I remember reading in the Spec 22 years ago. I remember there was a photo of him, and the ninja bit, which this article left out.

Here's more of an excerpt.....

HAMILTON (CP) - A 19-year-old man who said he "didn't mind dying" has been shot and killed by police after $96 was stolen from a downtown Hamilton variety store.

Police said Thomislav Dosen of Hamilton died in hospital after constable Glen MacNaughton of the Hamilton-Wentworth police shot him once in the chest with his .38-calibre service revolver Friday night.

MacNaughton, 32, a 10-year veteran of the force, was on routine patrol shortly after 11 p.m. when he drove into the parking lot at the store, Staff Sargeant Ted Yarmel said yesterday.

The store owner, William Coyne, 38, told the officer he had been robbed at gunpoint and pointed to the suspect running from the building.

MacNaughton chased Dosen on foot over a fence and into the backyard of a nearby house. Dosen pointed .25-calibre semi- automatic handgun at the officer, Yarmel said.

When MacNaughton told him to drop the gun Dosen replied, "I don't mind dying," and continued pointing the weapon, Yarmel said. MacNaughton then fired one shot that apparently pierced Dosen's heart.

Coyne told police the gunman - who entered the store wearing a black balaclava and gloves - was "hysterical and screaming" as he demanded money.

Yarmel said Dosen's gun - loaded with a full clip of eight rounds - was stolen a month ago from the home of a retired Hamilton police officer.

 

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james t kirk said:
When MacNaughton told him to drop the gun Dosen replied, "I don't mind dying," and continued pointing the weapon, Yarmel said. MacNaughton then fired one shot that apparently pierced Dosen's heart.
They call that "Suicide by Cop", thats the term the cops use.
He was prolly gonna kill himself anyways so he figured lets have the cops do the dirty work for him.

Happens a lot more than people realize
 

james t kirk

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The guy was banannas I remember. When the cops asked me what he looked like, I couldn't tell them other than that he had dark curly hair that I could see sticking out of the Tshirt and "crazy eyes".

And yeah, I remember he was screaming and yelling when he robbed the store I walked into.
 

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Esco! said:
Like I said, a fruitcake.
I don't doubt for a second that there is an issue (or more than one) there, but since when are random neighbours qualified to make psychiatric assessments of people?
 

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thompo69 said:
I don't doubt for a second that there is an issue (or more than one) there, but since when are random neighbours qualified to make psychiatric assessments of people?
You're glib.

You dont know the history of psychiatry, but I do!
 

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thompo69 said:
since when are random neighbours qualified to make psychiatric assessments of people?
Hhhmmm........I dunno.
Right around the time he decapitated, mutilated and started eating his victims organs, perhaps???!!!! :confused:


But thats just stab in the dark on my part (no pun intended).
 
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thompo69

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Hhhmmm........I dunno.
Right around the time he decapitated, mutilated and started eating his victims organs, perhaps???!!!! :confused:


But thats just stab in the dark on my part (no pun intended).
Oh yes, that is one of the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Oh wait...no it isn't!
 

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You're glib.

You dont know the history of psychiatry, but I do!


How's it going Tom.


Thanks for letting me "audit" Katie, multiple times, last night.;)





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LancsLad

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DID YOU ORDER A CODE RED?????????



funny you mention Red. he has been labelled a "SP" by the top midget , that miscarriage guy, so little tommie is going to bite him in the ankle.



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thompo69 said:
Oh yes, that is one of the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. Oh wait...no it isn't!
From Wiki
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
The relationship between violent acts and schizophrenia is a contentious topic. Current research indicates that the percentage of people with schizophrenia who commit violent acts is higher than the percentage of people without any disorder, but lower than is found for disorders such as alcoholism, and the difference is reduced or not found in same-neighbourhood comparisons when related factors are taken into account, notably sociodemographic variables and substance misuse. Studies have indicated that 5% to 10% of those charged with murder in Western countries have a schizophrenia spectrum disorder.

The occurrence of psychosis in schizophrenia has sometimes been linked to a higher risk of violent acts. Findings on the specific role of delusions or hallucinations have been inconsistent, but have focused on delusional jealousy, perception of threat and command hallucinations. It has been proposed that a certain type of individual with schizophrenia may be most likely to offend, characterized by a history of educational difficulties, low IQ, conduct disorder, early-onset substance misuse and offending prior to diagnosis.
 

Jade4u

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If the cops find any information on the computer that Li sold to the young lad I will not believe that the man is schizophrenic. I think there is still a lot more to this story that we do not know. Why was he trying to unload his pc to begin with? Did it have information that Li did not want leaked out and by selling it he thought he would get rid of any evidence in case the cops came to HIS place to confiscate it?

If the cops find more information on this pc this is clearly going to be a case of a planned act of violence against a random member of society.

1. He sold his pc before doing this crime.

2. He already had a knife and scissors on his person when he got on the bus.

How many people think they have to carry a knife with them when they travel and unload thier pc's?
 
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