Out-of-town cops reaped millions for G20 work

[HOF]

Be real captain.

We all know that the asshole cops set this car on fire and when these helpful young men saw there were no firemen nearby, they started jumping on the car to put the fire out. They only wore the bandanas because they didn't want to breath in the smoke in their attempt to protect other people's propery.

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Nicodemi Catenacci's lawyer claims he was distraught over losing his job and high on cocaine when he set fire to the police vehicle!
http://www.canada.com/news/Ontario+gets+months+burning+Summit/4781230/story.html

There you go, investigated, caught, tried, convicted, jailed, pay restitution! BTW, good luck with that criminal conviction getting a job dumbass!

You chose your handle accordingly! Basketcase!

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Yeah, it was the cops I saw burning cars, smashing store fronts, vandalizing, wearing black hoods and bandanas to hide their faces.

The crazies are lucky this isn't most other countries in the world and they would have been shot with lead bullets.

And what were the thousands of cops doing when the masked asshats were running riot? (The correct answer: fuck all.)

After the first day, there were no real violent or destructive outbursts by legitimate protesters and yet the pseudo-tough guy cops ran amok for two days and picked on a bunch of softies - including a one-legged man. You cannot cry "law and order" and bust heads on Queen's Park free protest zone and other non-violent/destructive protesters and on the other hand let the Black Bloc do what they did to my city.

The whole weekend (and everything leading up to it) was shambolic and - in my opinion as someone who lives in the "warzone" - the cops came across as cowardly, power-mad and opportunistic bullies. Worse still, in the aftermath the vast majority of good cops have protected the criminals in their own midst.

I have all the time in the world for police and what they do. In this instance, many of the duty police, all of their so-called leadership and the politicians that a) put the event in downtown Toronto and b) gave the cops secret powers without clarifying were completely in the wrong and are equally culpable as the Black Bloc.

 

[blackrock13]

So if the black bloc and protesters were such a big threat, why isn't there any noise during th G8 in Normandy right now? I will tell you why - the government is afraid of their citizens. The french, love em or hate em, love a good revolution and they would burn a whole city to the ground to prove a point that the government works for them, not the other way around. The French government would never try the shit that Harpo pulled on us for fear their heads would be in a basket.

Boy, have you got it wrong. The French authorities do a fine job taking care this type of thing. The French populous know how to protest. Take a look at any of the recent strikes by truckers, rail worker, and farmers. They could give the North American unions a lesson in how to take the fight to the authorities.

The authorities quite possibility told those they knew were or could be trouble, that if they farked around they would be stomped on full force and the Code Napoleonic does a great job of playing hardball when it wants to. Especially when starting from the premise that you are guilty until you are proven innocent. All they'd have to say is my gang is bigger than your gang, so don't fuck with us.

 

[blackrock13]

You have never been to france or studied its history. Have you? Try Google - it is an amazing resource and easy for two fingered typers! Better yet try travelling.

I have worked in the north of country on two occasions. My SO is french with family in the countryside and the city. I don't need to google a thing as I live with the French culture almost every day.

You've only been on TERB for approximately a month so I wouldn't expect you to know these points, but other members do.

 

[oldjones]

You know what's really pathetic is that this was a year ago and the Canadian media keeps pounding it to death.

Let it fucking go already.

What's pathetic after a year is that the TPS who have identified an officer who broke a citizen's arm for no known reason, witnessed by two supervisors and nine other officers have let all this pathetic shit go on and on and on. If the witness officers saw nothing, they should be disciplined for incompetence: cops are hired and trained to observe. If the supervisors didn't ensure proper behaviour and saw nothing they should be disciplined for incompetence: what supervision did they provide? And if the TPS actually read the badge number of the constable accused of breaking an ordinary citizen's arm, why did they not to provide it to the SIU and restore some faith in the TPS by saying they did so?

That's what's pathetic; the TPS' acceptance of the bad job they were handed, the bad way the executed it and the bad guys on the force they're still protecting. It was a schlemozzle, and they're buying into it still.

 

[james t kirk]

And what were the thousands of cops doing when the masked asshats were running riot? (The correct answer: fuck all.)

After the first day, there were no real violent or destructive outbursts by legitimate protesters and yet the pseudo-tough guy cops ran amok for two days and picked on a bunch of softies - including a one-legged man. You cannot cry "law and order" and bust heads on Queen's Park free protest zone and other non-violent/destructive protesters and on the other hand let the Black Bloc do what they did to my city.

The whole weekend (and everything leading up to it) was shambolic and - in my opinion as someone who lives in the "warzone" - the cops came across as cowardly, power-mad and opportunistic bullies. Worse still, in the aftermath the vast majority of good cops have protected the criminals in their own midst.

I have all the time in the world for police and what they do. In this instance, many of the duty police, all of their so-called leadership and the politicians that a) put the event in downtown Toronto and b) gave the cops secret powers without clarifying were completely in the wrong and are equally culpable as the Black Bloc.

I would say that they were preventing the crazies from torching the entire downtown core, Queenspark, and everything inbetween and sacking the convention centre.

Just off hand....

Sure, there are some bad apple cops. Everyone knows that, and it's no different than any organization.

But looking back at the G-20 - it was INSANE and it should have never been held in Canada. You put insane cops in an even more insane situation and you get problems. But the vast majority - I would say 99% of the cops there - did their job, did what was demanded of them, and now the Media questions it all.

The very fact that the Canadian media keeps flogging this dead horse shows to me just how little exciting news is generated in Canada. (Some might say boring, and that is ok by me. Boriing is good.)

 

[Questor]

And what were the thousands of cops doing when the masked asshats were running riot? (The correct answer: fuck all.)

After the first day, there were no real violent or destructive outbursts by legitimate protesters and yet the pseudo-tough guy cops ran amok for two days and picked on a bunch of softies - including a one-legged man. You cannot cry "law and order" and bust heads on Queen's Park free protest zone and other non-violent/destructive protesters and on the other hand let the Black Bloc do what they did to my city.

The whole weekend (and everything leading up to it) was shambolic and - in my opinion as someone who lives in the "warzone" - the cops came across as cowardly, power-mad and opportunistic bullies. Worse still, in the aftermath the vast majority of good cops have protected the criminals in their own midst.

I have all the time in the world for police and what they do. In this instance, many of the duty police, all of their so-called leadership and the politicians that a) put the event in downtown Toronto and b) gave the cops secret powers without clarifying were completely in the wrong and are equally culpable as the Black Bloc.

Good post. The whole thing, including the aftermath (almost one year now) is an embarrassment to the city and the police service.

I would say that they were preventing the crazies from torching the entire downtown core, Queenspark, and everything inbetween and sacking the convention centre.

Just off hand....

Sure, there are some bad apple cops. Everyone knows that, and it's no different than any organization.

But looking back at the G-20 - it was INSANE and it should have never been held in Canada. You put insane cops in an even more insane situation and you get problems. But the vast majority - I would say 99% of the cops there - did their job, did what was demanded of them, and now the Media questions it all.

The very fact that the Canadian media keeps flogging this dead horse shows to me just how little exciting news is generated in Canada. (Some might say boring, and that is ok by me. Boriing is good.)

You exaggerate the threat, Kirk. The Black Block did not have the means to torch the entire downtown core, Queens Park, and the convention centre. Surely you see that the security forces had the capacity and the responsibility to prevent what happened. They let it happen so that they could justify the crackdown that happened the following two days.

Its not a dead horse, thankfully. You'd only like it to be. If it was a dead horse, the SIU would not have reopened the case. Why do you want the 1% (your number, not mine) to get off scot free? Apparently you feel they are above the law.

 

[james t kirk]

I blame the crazies for the entire ordeal. I am not so naive as to believe that the criminals could not have done a hell of a lot more damage than they did if the police were not there. If you believe that the criminals could not have done a significant, nay massive amount of damage to the downtown core, then I have some real estate for sale in mid Florida I'd like to show you.

Throw the crazies all in jail - then you can have at the cops all you like. Until you go after and jail the ones who started it, I don't see the point of going after those who finished it. (Other than they have fixed addresses - which makes it easier.)

 

[red]

And what were the thousands of cops doing when the masked asshats were running riot? (The correct answer: fuck all.)

After the first day, there were no real violent or destructive outbursts by legitimate protesters and yet the pseudo-tough guy cops ran amok for two days and picked on a bunch of softies - including a one-legged man. You cannot cry "law and order" and bust heads on Queen's Park free protest zone and other non-violent/destructive protesters and on the other hand let the Black Bloc do what they did to my city.

The whole weekend (and everything leading up to it) was shambolic and - in my opinion as someone who lives in the "warzone" - the cops came across as cowardly, power-mad and opportunistic bullies. Worse still, in the aftermath the vast majority of good cops have protected the criminals in their own midst.

I have all the time in the world for police and what they do. In this instance, many of the duty police, all of their so-called leadership and the politicians that a) put the event in downtown Toronto and b) gave the cops secret powers without clarifying were completely in the wrong and are equally culpable as the Black Bloc.

well said

 

[N1ghth4wk]

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Nicodemi Catenacci's lawyer claims he was distraught over losing his job and high on cocaine when he set fire to the police vehicle!
http://www.canada.com/news/Ontario+gets+months+burning+Summit/4781230/story.html

There you go, investigated, caught, tried, convicted, jailed, pay restitution! BTW, good luck with that criminal conviction getting a job dumbass!

You chose your handle accordingly! Basketcase!

I find it incredible how the cops are so good at finding the bandits that put police car up in flames, but they can't find and convict police officers who beat up innocent protesters at the same event. And, that's even when they have the suspect cop's picture!! Not even that cop's roommate could recognize him.

 

[Questor]

I am not so naive as to believe that the criminals could not have done a hell of a lot more damage than they did if the police were not there. If you believe that the criminals could not have done a significant, nay massive amount of damage to the downtown core, then I have some real estate for sale in mid Florida I'd like to show you.

Oh come on Kirk. You can't be serious. You mean if the police, ALL the police, removed themselves from all of Toronto, at the time of the G20, then criminals could have done a lot more damage in downtown Toronto. Do you seriously think anyone would disagree with that? I think the more relevant point is that the police did not ensure public safety, in spite of their extraordinary numbers. And while they let the situation get out of hand, they managed to make the largest mass arrest in Canadian history without any evidence of criminal wrongdoing by the vast majority of arrestees. Hence the dismissed charges.

If the garbage collectors only picked up 25% of the garbage in downtown Toronto, by your logic, you would say that it could have been a hell of a lot more dirty and smelly if the garbage workers hadn't been on the job? And if they attacked hundreds of people with shields and batons because the "crazies" were shouting at them, then all the better.

It really sounds like you just think that Canadians should be completely docile when their rights are taken away by the government, and be happy living in a police state where what the police say is THE LAW.

 

[colt]

. They could have advertised and done deals individually with officers for example, meaning that the OT and vacation pay issues with their back-home services would be theirs to sort out, not the G20's.

The Police Services Act effectively prohibits police officers in Ontario from moonlighting as police officers unless the services were arranged by their police force. Therefore it was not possible to do deals "individually" with officers - the only way to get their services was to arrange for them with the other police forces.

 

[blackrock13]

Bingo. +1 but time and time again its shown Canadians are pathetic at changing the way things work, so of course this is used as a tool agains them (Civilians) by the "powers that (shouldn't) be"

So were you at last night's open public forum expressing your disgust? There's another one in Etobicoke in the up coming week. Or are you just going to be pathetically passive and let others do it

 

[oldjones]

The Police Services Act effectively prohibits police officers in Ontario from moonlighting as police officers unless the services were arranged by their police force. Therefore it was not possible to do deals "individually" with officers - the only way to get their services was to arrange for them with the other police forces.

Thanks for that clarification. It's clear that law served us well isn't it?

 

[blackrock13]

Thanks for that clarification. It's clear that law served us well isn't it?

It is?

 

[oldjones]

Granting it took 19,000 cops to protect the leaders of the free and not so free worlds, leaving insufficient TPS personnel to protect and serve us, doesn't it strike you that on an occasion of rioting—the three dozen or so Black Bloc window smashers—it was perhaps tactically stupid to get out of your patrol car and abandon it to the 'mob'?

 

[blackrock13]

Granting it took 19,000 cops to protect the leaders of the free and not so free worlds, leaving insufficient TPS personnel to protect and serve us, doesn't it strike you that on an occasion of rioting—the three dozen or so Black Bloc window smashers—it was perhaps tactically stupid to get out of your patrol car and abandon it to the 'mob'?

Can't say. Most of the cops I saw were out of their vehicles and I didn't get the chance to interview the cops who were assigned those vehicles. Maybe they were bait vehicles. I just don't know.

 

[oldjones]

I've certainly heard the bait vehicles premise from numerous folks I've talked to, of various political leanings.

While I can imagine abandoning your car and retreating, the TV coverage pre-burning didn't seem to show anything much to retreat from. Without backup—none was visible, and Chief Blair said later all available officers were assigned and commanded from Barrie—it would seem either a very poor judgement to enter the 'riot zone' (as many TERBians have said), a sensible evaluation that this was little more than a daytime Entertainment District Hoo-Rah, or A Plan to Justify Massive POlice Cost and Presence.

 

[blackrock13]

I've certainly heard the bait vehicles premise from numerous folks I've talked to, of various political leanings.

While I can imagine abandoning your car and retreating, the TV coverage pre-burning didn't seem to show anything much to retreat from. Without backup—none was visible, and Chief Blair said later all available officers were assigned and commanded from Barrie—it would seem either a very poor judgement to enter the 'riot zone' (as many TERBians have said), a sensible evaluation that this was little more than a daytime Entertainment District Hoo-Rah, or A Plan to Justify Massive POlice Cost and Presence.

It didn't matter where downtown it happened , because of Harper's ego and having the meeting in downtown TO, there was going to be damage to serious amount of real estate and the numbers police to deal with it..

 

[blackrock13]

I wonder if any of cops that were raking in the $ stopped to consider that they were trampling on their own rights as Canadian citizens or if they just shrugged and went off and bought that big screen tv they always wanted.

You're thinking too much.