Oscar Movies: Why are they always about suffering ?

[Insidious Von]

Some may disagree, please do, but I found LOTRs: Return of the King to be cookie cutter Hollywood.

I didn't watch the Oscars, like Eddie Murphy, I'd rather fart in the bathtub. It made me happy that Mank was shut out. As much as I love Amanda Seyfried, David Fincher really blew it. Poor Tom Birke got wasted playing Orson Welles, revisionist history doesn't work. It's like me making a film about The Beatles and claiming that Paul McCartney wrote all the songs.

No film this year measured up to The Queen's Gambit. When I found out that Bill camp was in it, I knew it was going to be good, wasn't disappointed. Isla Johnson (young Beth Harmon) has a career as an actor if she wants it. And I've already mentioned that Anya Taylor Joy can become her generation's Meryl Streep - depending on how she chooses to run her life. I wonder how the ratings for the Emmys were this year?

Looking forward to Edgar Wright's next film, supposed to be a horror film, watched Thoroughbreds

 

[Insidious Von]

Guillermo's Oscar tradition. Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out!) won Best Supporting actor for Judas and the Black Messiah, which is strange since he was the lead. Leslie Odom Jr is in The Sopranos prequel.

 

[jcpro]

Guillermo's Oscar tradition. Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out!) won Best Supporting actor for Judas and the Black Messiah, which is strange since he was the lead. Leslie Odom Jr is in The Sopranos prequel.

LOL!!! He must have been on of the few who watched it.

Nolte: Woketard Oscar Ratings Plummet 58%—First Time Below 10M Viewers

Oscar ratings collapsed 58 percent over last year's record low. Fewer than ten million tuned in for the first time ever.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Don Draper]

The academy is made mostly of 50-year-old white men, depression is high among that age category in men. If they diversify the academy, perhaps The Avengers would be academy movies.

This statement is absolutely incorrect.

 

[Don Draper]

I forgot about Shape of Water.

It's a fun movie about Aquaman falling in love.

From what I remember.

I think he dies in the end, hence the depression factor.

The great twist in the end is that SHE is only partially human and has gills like he does.

They're colsed and that;s why she's mute. The creature opens them in the end and she can breathe underwater.

She belongs with him. It's a great ending.

 

[Maxxx17]

Why is it that they don't only give Oscars for sad movies? In 2020 for example "Munk" won the Oscar for best film. And it's not just about drama. There's also comedy. I watched it on 123movies and it's quite interesting. Perhaps this Fincher film will not be seen by the general public. And it is not surprising because often good films do not immediately become the favorites of the public. But special fans can already see how David Fincher's perfectionism and his late father's amazing screenplay have achieved something new together. Something that only Hamlet and Don Quixote together can do.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Is Marvel bowing to SJWs? Tony Leung is supposed to play The Mandarin, but that character is too controversial for sensitive types. The character is known as Wenwu instead. The story of Shang -Chi is loosely based on Shakespeare Henry IV Part II. The Mandarin is a warlord with Genghis Khan ambitions. He learns the secrets of the Shaolin monks then betrays them. The fallen monks become his elite army. His son Shang Chi breaks away only to be brought back into his father's sphere.

Other than getting rid of The Mandarin's more obvious "Fu Manchu" aspects, it doesn't look like they are changing the basic story much at all.

In the comics, Fu Manchu was Shang Chi's father, until the licensing agreement with the Estate of Sax Rohmer expired. The Mandarin is an old Iron Man villain.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Which I might add is a part of the Hellboy Comic Universe and so a Comic book based Film.

Both Hellboy and The Shape of Water were directed by Guillermo Del Toro, and the 'amphibious man' is played by Doug Jones:



in both films, but they're not the same character. Jones plays a non-human in six Del Toro movies.

 

[Valcazar]

In the comics, Fu Manchu was Shang Chi's father, until the licensing agreement with the Estate of Sax Rohmer expired. The Mandarin is an old Iron Man villain.

Did they lose the rights?
I thought they had transitioned away from Fu Manchu due to the racism.
I know the Mandarin is an old Iron Man villain, but he's had FM flavor (depending who is writing him) often in the past.

Using Mandarin in the MCU makes a lot of sense - you have the 10-rings backstory already baked in and you don't need to worry about Fu Manchu rights. It's a smart call.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Did they lose the rights?
I thought they had transitioned away from Fu Manchu due to the racism.
I know the Mandarin is an old Iron Man villain, but he's had FM flavor (depending who is writing him) often in the past.

Using Mandarin in the MCU makes a lot of sense - you have the 10-rings backstory already baked in and you don't need to worry about Fu Manchu rights. It's a smart call.

From Wikipedia:

Shang-Chi was spun off from novelist Sax Rohmer's licensed property as the unknown son of fictional villain Fu Manchu. In later editions, his connection to Fu was underplayed after Marvel lost the comic book rights to the latter's character.

The character was conceived in late 1972. Marvel Comics had wished to acquire the rights to adapt the Kung Fu television program, but were denied permission by the show's owner, Warner Communications, owner of Marvel's primary rival, DC Comics. Instead, Marvel acquired the comic book rights to Sax Rohmer's pulp villain Dr. Fu Manchu. They developed Shang-Chi, a master of kung fu, who was introduced as a previously unknown son of Fu Manchu. Though an original character himself, many of Shang-Chi's supporting characters (most notably Fu Manchu, Sir Denis Nayland Smith, Dr. James Petrie and Fah Lo Suee) were Rohmer creations.

Shang-Chi's half sister Fah Lo Suee was later renamed Zheng Bao Yu in 2013's Fearless Defenders #8 while Smith and Petrie have not appeared in any Marvel properties since the end of the Master of Kung Fu series in 1983.



(Issue #45 splash page).



Master of Kung Fu by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, (issue #'s 29–31, 33–35, 38–40, 42–50; Giant-Size #1–3,, 1974–1976), was one of the greatest comic book series of the 1970's. Gulacy drew several issues, (18–20, 22, 25), before that, but he was new to comics, and a few of those were poorly inked. #'s 29-31, 33-35, and 38-40 were each three part "James Bond" style stories, where Galacy inked his own pencils in one issue, and a fill-in artist drew the gap issue between trilogies. Before the feature film was announced, these issues were severely undervalued in the collector's market.

 

[Valcazar]

From Wikipedia:

Shang-Chi was spun off from novelist Sax Rohmer's licensed property as the unknown son of fictional villain Fu Manchu. In later editions, his connection to Fu was underplayed after Marvel lost the comic book rights to the latter's character.

The character was conceived in late 1972. Marvel Comics had wished to acquire the rights to adapt the Kung Fu television program, but were denied permission by the show's owner, Warner Communications, owner of Marvel's primary rival, DC Comics. Instead, Marvel acquired the comic book rights to Sax Rohmer's pulp villain Dr. Fu Manchu. They developed Shang-Chi, a master of kung fu, who was introduced as a previously unknown son of Fu Manchu. Though an original character himself, many of Shang-Chi's supporting characters (most notably Fu Manchu, Sir Denis Nayland Smith, Dr. James Petrie and Fah Lo Suee) were Rohmer creations.

Shang-Chi's half sister Fah Lo Suee was later renamed Zheng Bao Yu in 2013's Fearless Defenders #8 while Smith and Petrie have not appeared in any Marvel properties since the end of the Master of Kung Fu series in 1983.

Thanks.
Shang-Chi was never one of my favorites, so I didn't know the ins and outs of the IP history.

 

[y2kmark]

I can't name even one Oscar movie with an alien in it.
>Didn't ET win best picture? And didn't Cocoon have at least one cast oscar?
Both "The Day the Earth Stood Still" and "Out of the Silent Planet" should have gotten Oscars, just my opinion, though.

The real suffering is watching the bore-fest.
>Golf matches, tennis matches, political conventions, televised legal or legislative proceedings - TV always was a big bore.

I tried to watch that "Lady Bird" thing, honestly ... yawn.
Moonlight, I still don't know what it was about. I was busy playing computer chess and left it on for noise.
I kept making fun of the Lion guy, like going "he's a lion, roar, roar". His suffering gives India a bad name.

Please avoid Oscar movies.
Don't waste your life watching suffering, when you can watch joy and laughter. Thanks.
> Does "don't watch suffering" apply to NEWS broadcasts as well? Weather reports used to be boring sometimes, but not so much anymore...

 

[y2kmark]

Is Marvel bowing to SJWs? Tony Leung is supposed to play The Mandarin, but that character is too controversial for sensitive types. The character is known as Wenwu instead. The story of Shang -Chi is loosely based on Shakespeare Henry IV Part II. The Mandarin is a warlord with Genghis Khan ambitions. He learns the secrets of the Shaolin monks then betrays them. The fallen monks become his elite army. His son Shang Chi breaks away only to be brought back into his father's sphere.

Maybe they could remake "Kung Fu" with an Asian actor in the lead role?..

 

[y2kmark]

From Wikipedia:

Shang-Chi was spun off from novelist Sax Rohmer's licensed property as the unknown son of fictional villain Fu Manchu. In later editions, his connection to Fu was underplayed after Marvel lost the comic book rights to the latter's character.

The character was conceived in late 1972. Marvel Comics had wished to acquire the rights to adapt the Kung Fu television program, but were denied permission by the show's owner, Warner Communications, owner of Marvel's primary rival, DC Comics. Instead, Marvel acquired the comic book rights to Sax Rohmer's pulp villain Dr. Fu Manchu. They developed Shang-Chi, a master of kung fu, who was introduced as a previously unknown son of Fu Manchu. Though an original character himself, many of Shang-Chi's supporting characters (most notably Fu Manchu, Sir Denis Nayland Smith, Dr. James Petrie and Fah Lo Suee) were Rohmer creations.

Shang-Chi's half sister Fah Lo Suee was later renamed Zheng Bao Yu in 2013's Fearless Defenders #8 while Smith and Petrie have not appeared in any Marvel properties since the end of the Master of Kung Fu series in 1983.

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(Issue #45 splash page).



Master of Kung Fu by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, (issue #'s 29–31, 33–35, 38–40, 42–50; Giant-Size #1–3,, 1974–1976), was one of the greatest comic book series of the 1970's. Gulacy drew several issues, (18–20, 22, 25), before that, but he was new to comics, and a few of those were poorly inked. #'s 29-31, 33-35, and 38-40 were each three part "James Bond" style stories, where Galacy inked his own pencils in one issue, and a fill-in artist drew the gap issue between trilogies. Before the feature film was announced, these issues were severely undervalued in the collector's market.

Did you ever read any of Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu books? A little racy for his time, a lot (anti Asian) racist for ours...

 

[Insidious Von]

Those who don't understand the film claim that The Searchers is a white supremacist film. They misunderstood it, there is a stench of cynicism throughout, Europeans can justify any atrocity in the name of righteousness.The John Ford film bombed at the box-office - Americans didn't want to see John Wayne play a coward. No such cynicism runs through How the West Was Won, European culture celebrated while Indian savages are marched to the reservation with Mexican outlaws shot full of holes.

It was the second of Eli Wallach's Mexican banditos trilogy: the first was The Magnificent Seven. You all know the third.

 

[Ponderling]

If you want a big education in film making, watch all the best pictures. It really shows how cinema has evolved since, I think, 1928.

I realize everyone wants everything now, and directly to their smart phone. This project would make you visit your parents so you could use their dvd player to watch what you borrowed from the library.

Oh and more on that pain themes, I found the best picture shows from the early 70s a real pain to watch. Like those were the best the year had to offer?

 

[Insidious Von]

Oh and more on that pain themes, I found the best picture shows from the early 70s a real pain to watch. Like those were he best the year had to offer?

You're right, after Jack Lemmon's Save the Tiger and William Friedkin's The Exorcist, something had to give!

 

[Insidious Von]

1973, the return of "the son of a thousand fathers".

 

[Bbw hunter]

There is no better example to dismiss the Oscars voters as know nothings than the Pulp Fiction. A movie that really stood out from the rest, great, multiple and inter twining story lines with inspired writing and acting...yet, it went right over the heads of the Academy.

Pulp Fiction was ok but I always found it overrated. I much prefer the Tarantino film that came out the year before it: True Romance. Maybe it was better because it was actually directed by Tony Scott. To me it was faster paced and funnier, with better characters and more invigorating scenes. Forrest Gump was actually the better film in 1994 than Pulp Fiction IMHO. I found it very original and clever. Maybe I like it since I am a history buff.
I thought one of the biggest joke years for the Academy was 1990 when Goodfellas lost to Dances With Wolves.

 

[Sunlight]

Pulp Fiction was ok but I always found it overrated. I much prefer the Tarantino film that came out the year before it: True Romance. Maybe it was better because it was actually directed by Tony Scott. To me it was faster paced and funnier, with better characters and more invigorating scenes. Forrest Gump was actually the better film in 1994 than Pulp Fiction IMHO. I found it very original and clever. Maybe I like it since I am a history buff.
I thought one of the biggest joke years for the Academy was 1990 when Goodfellas lost to Dances With Wolves.

I agree with you. I've recently decided to DOWNLOAD NEW MOVIES and finally chose Forrest Gump. Great film, one of my favorite ones, and Tom Hanks is brilliant as always. In my opinion, Forrest Gump beat Pulp Fiction because it seemed to be thinking big thoughts about 20th-century history, while Pulp was about potty-mouthed gangsters, but does anyone now deny that Tarantino’s True Romance is the better film? I think every year the Academy wrings its hands and wonders why the Oscar show’s audience isn’t what it used to be, and it’s tried to compensate by making its selections more populist. And yet, every year, the Oscar voters come up with a list of movies that most people haven’t bothered to see because they’re so downbeat that they’re often a chore to watch.