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"Opinion: We shouldn’t abandon masks after the pandemic recedes"

lenny2

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"Eddy Lang is a professor and department head for emergency medicine for the Cumming School of Medicine at the University of Calgary. Merril Pauls is a professor in the department of emergency medicine at the Max Rady College of Medicine at the University of Manitoba.

Even as emergency care providers battle the terrible toll of the third wave, we are witnessing a remarkable shift in the non-COVID-19 patients who seek emergency care. While these observations need further confirmation, they strongly suggest that the same masking and physical distancing we have adopted to fight COVID-19 have had a significant impact on influenza transmission, and complications related to other respiratory viral infections. This presents us with a great opportunity going forward, but also with some difficult decisions.

In the months of March and April, 2020, emergency departments and hospitals around the world witnessed a dramatic reduction in demand for acute care services. This phenomenon was driven by the shock of the first wave lockdowns and a general avoidance of hospitals. This underuse has persisted, to a lesser extent, a full 14 months after the initial states of emergency were declared. While many hospitals are still struggling with the impact of COVID-19 admissions and the need for precious single-bedded rooms, we continue to see a relative underuse and lesser numbers of admitted patients due to many other conditions.

Some experts believe this is due to ongoing fears that seeking healthcare will expose individuals to COVID-19, but other possible explanations are emerging. The reduced emergency department visits and fewer hospitalizations may actually be the result of a significant reduction in many other illnesses we would normally be seeing.

One of the most astonishing developments related to the pandemic has been the eradication of the influenza virus this season. This would have seemed unbelievable to most experts before the pandemic, but throughout the summer of 2020, Australia noted a marked decrease in influenza cases during what should have been their peak season. Canadian data has shown a similar trend this past fall and winter. This means that thousands of deaths and numerous hospitalizations historically caused by influenza every year have also markedly decreased. This is almost certainly due to the public health measures we have instituted to combat COVID-19.


Along with the decrease in influenza, it appears we are seeing decreased transmission and fewer complications due to cold viruses. While most patients do not suffer long-term effects from these viruses, they can pose a significant danger to those with serious lung disease. Patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) who catch colds can experience flare-ups often requiring hospitalization or intensive care, and some will even die. Pneumonia (or non-COVID pneumonia to be precise) is also a common and serious condition that is particularly hard on seniors, resulting in thousands of hospitalization and deaths in Canada every year. Many of these pneumonias are linked to viral infections that precede the pneumonia.

So this leaves us with a dilemma. As the pandemic continues, people are yearning for a relaxation of public health restrictions. No one wants to hear that perhaps we should continue these measures even after COVID-19 recedes. The good news is that we may not need all of the current restrictions to still see a benefit for our most vulnerable citizens. Ongoing research is required to clarify and quantify the connections we are seeing. Perhaps simply good hand hygiene, and indoor public masking for those at risk, will lead to lower numbers of hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses in the future.

People are desperate to reclaim their former lives and move past current restrictions, and yet we are calling for scientists, policy makers and the general public to consider a key potential learning from this difficult time. We have worked so hard to make mask-wearing the norm. If future studies confirm the significant benefits of this practice, do we really want to undo all this effort? We are not advocating for mask mandates or restrictive rules as they currently exist – but rather the maintenance of a new norm, based on collective goodwill and the realization of how many lives we could save by continuing this practice.

We need more high-quality studies to demonstrate the benefits, and identify potential harms of these measures. We also need to identify which of our current practices will have the greatest ongoing benefits and determine the least intrusive ways to use them while still being effective.

Some see masks as symbols of the anxiety and isolation the pandemic has caused. We are hoping people can instead come to see them as a tremendous gift we have given some of our most vulnerable citizens, protecting them from serious illness and even death. And we hope people will embrace the ongoing use of masks, even after the pandemic recedes.

 

IM469

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Some see masks as symbols of the anxiety and isolation the pandemic has caused. We are hoping people can instead come to see them as a tremendous gift we have given some of our most vulnerable citizens, protecting them from serious illness and even death. And we hope people will embrace the ongoing use of masks, even after the pandemic recedes.
I have the second dose scheduled this next weekend and I plan on wearing the mask in public stores, etc until herd immunity is reached and we open up. My sister working for an extended care facility has had both doses since Feb and still wears the mask. It is possible for her to get COVID but more than likely, she won't know and could spread it to those not immunized.

I hate using the mask but I've made it this far so a few months for the cause won't make much difference.
 

asuran

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I have no issue with keeping the masks on. Maybe until more Canadians are fully vaccinated we could relax a bit but for now, mask on is the smart decision.
 

The Oracle

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I'm of the opinion after listening to many conflicting reports that the disposable masks that most of us are wearing are not effective in stopping a virus that seems to be .06 to .12 microns in size. It's like attempting to stop a fly from entering a bird cage.

They're good for pollen and bacteria however. So I guess that's something.

But when I'm out I play by the rules of wherever I am. So if I must where one I do.

I expect the next wave to come in the fall no matter what. Variants will figure out a way around the overestimated efficacy of the present vaccines.

This whole rollout was done to slow to be effective........
 

lenny2

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I'm of the opinion after listening to many conflicting reports that the disposable masks that most of us are wearing are not effective in stopping a virus that seems to be .06 to .12 microns in size. It's like attempting to stop a fly from entering a bird cage.

Surgical masks are useless. N95 masks is whats needed
There is no evidence of transmission from free-floating viral particles. The transmission is from respiratory droplets and aerosols, the smallest of which are in the 5 um range.
...and surgical masks filter down to 1um.
"The surgical mask blocked about 60% of .03 micron particles and over 90% of 1 micron and 2.5 micron particles."


"in one study, researchers tested particles down to .007 microns (even smaller than viruses) and found that a simple surgical mask blocked 80%."

"... it’s downright surprising that surgical masks are just as effective [as N95 masks]! Maybe virus particles are actually easy to capture because they fly on water droplets.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1
 
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jcpro

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Truly we have confused so many good people we have become an idiotcracy. I see people driving by THEMSELVES wearing masks. I see poor souls taking an evening walk by THEMSELVES wearing masks. I see couples holding hands in the park while wearing masks. I see people jogging or riding bikes while wearing masks. Outdoors. And now more "experts" are advocating masking for the fully vaccinated. Cheap, ineffective, POS China made masks. All that despite the months of convincing the public about the effectiveness of the vaccines and the actual real scientific data from the CDC about the outdoor infection dangers. Oh, boy! Where have we gone wrong? Maybe we should mandate that all wear helmets at all times, too? And condoms...just in case.
 

squeezer

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Truly we have confused so many good people we have become an idiotcracy. I see people driving by THEMSELVES wearing masks. I see poor souls taking an evening walk by THEMSELVES wearing masks. I see couples holding hands in the park while wearing masks. I see people jogging or riding bikes while wearing masks. Outdoors.
Yes, there are some of these but these folks are not the majority. The same as you have a group of dumbasses marching around screaming FREEDOM and reciting the Charter of Rights, going into stores maskless to prove a point. The difference with the folks wearing a mask where and when it's not needed is they are not hurting anyone where the dumbasses marching are endangering folks.
 
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smallhatchet

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"Eddy Lang is a professor and department head for emergency medicine for the Cumming School of Medicine at the University of Calgary. Merril Pauls is a professor in the department of emergency medicine at the Max Rady College of Medicine at the University of Manitoba.

Even as emergency care providers battle the terrible toll of the third wave, we are witnessing a remarkable shift in the non-COVID-19 patients who seek emergency care. While these observations need further confirmation, they strongly suggest that the same masking and physical distancing we have adopted to fight COVID-19 have had a significant impact on influenza transmission, and complications related to other respiratory viral infections. This presents us with a great opportunity going forward, but also with some difficult decisions.

In the months of March and April, 2020, emergency departments and hospitals around the world witnessed a dramatic reduction in demand for acute care services. This phenomenon was driven by the shock of the first wave lockdowns and a general avoidance of hospitals. This underuse has persisted, to a lesser extent, a full 14 months after the initial states of emergency were declared. While many hospitals are still struggling with the impact of COVID-19 admissions and the need for precious single-bedded rooms, we continue to see a relative underuse and lesser numbers of admitted patients due to many other conditions.

Some experts believe this is due to ongoing fears that seeking healthcare will expose individuals to COVID-19, but other possible explanations are emerging. The reduced emergency department visits and fewer hospitalizations may actually be the result of a significant reduction in many other illnesses we would normally be seeing.

One of the most astonishing developments related to the pandemic has been the eradication of the influenza virus this season. This would have seemed unbelievable to most experts before the pandemic, but throughout the summer of 2020, Australia noted a marked decrease in influenza cases during what should have been their peak season. Canadian data has shown a similar trend this past fall and winter. This means that thousands of deaths and numerous hospitalizations historically caused by influenza every year have also markedly decreased. This is almost certainly due to the public health measures we have instituted to combat COVID-19.


Along with the decrease in influenza, it appears we are seeing decreased transmission and fewer complications due to cold viruses. While most patients do not suffer long-term effects from these viruses, they can pose a significant danger to those with serious lung disease. Patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) who catch colds can experience flare-ups often requiring hospitalization or intensive care, and some will even die. Pneumonia (or non-COVID pneumonia to be precise) is also a common and serious condition that is particularly hard on seniors, resulting in thousands of hospitalization and deaths in Canada every year. Many of these pneumonias are linked to viral infections that precede the pneumonia.

So this leaves us with a dilemma. As the pandemic continues, people are yearning for a relaxation of public health restrictions. No one wants to hear that perhaps we should continue these measures even after COVID-19 recedes. The good news is that we may not need all of the current restrictions to still see a benefit for our most vulnerable citizens. Ongoing research is required to clarify and quantify the connections we are seeing. Perhaps simply good hand hygiene, and indoor public masking for those at risk, will lead to lower numbers of hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses in the future.

People are desperate to reclaim their former lives and move past current restrictions, and yet we are calling for scientists, policy makers and the general public to consider a key potential learning from this difficult time. We have worked so hard to make mask-wearing the norm. If future studies confirm the significant benefits of this practice, do we really want to undo all this effort? We are not advocating for mask mandates or restrictive rules as they currently exist – but rather the maintenance of a new norm, based on collective goodwill and the realization of how many lives we could save by continuing this practice.

We need more high-quality studies to demonstrate the benefits, and identify potential harms of these measures. We also need to identify which of our current practices will have the greatest ongoing benefits and determine the least intrusive ways to use them while still being effective.

Some see masks as symbols of the anxiety and isolation the pandemic has caused. We are hoping people can instead come to see them as a tremendous gift we have given some of our most vulnerable citizens, protecting them from serious illness and even death. And we hope people will embrace the ongoing use of masks, even after the pandemic recedes.

You're fucking crazy!
 

Butler1000

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Once second dose is in me I plan to wear it on the TTC in Flu/Covid season in the future. And will continue to follow the temp guidelines.

But I did follow the rules and am getting vaxxed to get back to normal. I will socialize again with friends and travel as well.

Quite simply anyone at this point who doesn't get vaxxed it's on them. They die, they die.
 

smallhatchet

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I have the second dose scheduled this next weekend and I plan on wearing the mask in public stores, etc until herd immunity is reached and we open up. My sister working for an extended care facility has had both doses since Feb and still wears the mask. It is possible for her to get COVID but more than likely, she won't know and could spread it to those not immunized.

I hate using the mask but I've made it this far so a few months for the cause won't make much difference.
I feel sorry for your lungs and blood/oxygen levels
 

smallhatchet

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Once second dose is in me I plan to wear it on the TTC in Flu/Covid season in the future. And will continue to follow the temp guidelines.

But I did follow the rules and am getting vaxxed to get back to normal. I will socialize again with friends and travel as well.

Quite simply anyone at this point who doesn't get vaxxed it's on them. They die, they die.
This is the funniest and craziest shit I've ever heard!!! 😂 😂 😂
 

smallhatchet

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Yes, there are some of these but these folks are not the majority. The same as you have a group of dumbasses marching around screaming FREEDOM and reciting the Charter of Rights, going into stores maskless to prove a point. The difference with the folks wearing a mask where and when it's not needed is they are not hurting anyone where the dumbasses marching are endangering folks.
YOU dummies are the only ones hurting society!
 

smallhatchet

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"The surgical mask blocked about 60% of .03 micron particles and over 90% of 1 micron and 2.5 micron particles."


"in one study, researchers tested particles down to .007 microns (even smaller than viruses) and found that a simple surgical mask blocked 80%."

"... it’s downright surprising that surgical masks are just as effective [as N95 masks]! Maybe virus particles are actually easy to capture because they fly on water droplets.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1
The worlds deadliest virus is protecting people by wearing a FLIMSY mask????

GIve your head a shake!
 

Sonic Temple

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I have started wearing a mask for outdoor work for pollen and stuff, which is crazy effective - can't believe we didn't do this before. Will still wear a mask in public though until it is safe.
 
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smallhatchet

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I'm of the opinion after listening to many conflicting reports that the disposable masks that most of us are wearing are not effective in stopping a virus that seems to be .06 to .12 microns in size. It's like attempting to stop a fly from entering a bird cage.

They're good for pollen and bacteria however. So I guess that's something.

But when I'm out I play by the rules of wherever I am. So if I must where one I do.

I expect the next wave to come in the fall no matter what. Variants will figure out a way around the overestimated efficacy of the present vaccines.

This whole rollout was done to slow to be effective........
There will be NO 4th wave.

Simulation comes to an end August.
 

doggyorcg

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"Eddy Lang is a professor and department head for emergency medicine for the Cumming School of Medicine at the University of Calgary. Merril Pauls is a professor in the department of emergency medicine at the Max Rady College of Medicine at the University of Manitoba.

Even as emergency care providers battle the terrible toll of the third wave, we are witnessing a remarkable shift in the non-COVID-19 patients who seek emergency care. While these observations need further confirmation, they strongly suggest that the same masking and physical distancing we have adopted to fight COVID-19 have had a significant impact on influenza transmission, and complications related to other respiratory viral infections. This presents us with a great opportunity going forward, but also with some difficult decisions.

In the months of March and April, 2020, emergency departments and hospitals around the world witnessed a dramatic reduction in demand for acute care services. This phenomenon was driven by the shock of the first wave lockdowns and a general avoidance of hospitals. This underuse has persisted, to a lesser extent, a full 14 months after the initial states of emergency were declared. While many hospitals are still struggling with the impact of COVID-19 admissions and the need for precious single-bedded rooms, we continue to see a relative underuse and lesser numbers of admitted patients due to many other conditions.

Some experts believe this is due to ongoing fears that seeking healthcare will expose individuals to COVID-19, but other possible explanations are emerging. The reduced emergency department visits and fewer hospitalizations may actually be the result of a significant reduction in many other illnesses we would normally be seeing.

One of the most astonishing developments related to the pandemic has been the eradication of the influenza virus this season. This would have seemed unbelievable to most experts before the pandemic, but throughout the summer of 2020, Australia noted a marked decrease in influenza cases during what should have been their peak season. Canadian data has shown a similar trend this past fall and winter. This means that thousands of deaths and numerous hospitalizations historically caused by influenza every year have also markedly decreased. This is almost certainly due to the public health measures we have instituted to combat COVID-19.


Along with the decrease in influenza, it appears we are seeing decreased transmission and fewer complications due to cold viruses. While most patients do not suffer long-term effects from these viruses, they can pose a significant danger to those with serious lung disease. Patients with chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) who catch colds can experience flare-ups often requiring hospitalization or intensive care, and some will even die. Pneumonia (or non-COVID pneumonia to be precise) is also a common and serious condition that is particularly hard on seniors, resulting in thousands of hospitalization and deaths in Canada every year. Many of these pneumonias are linked to viral infections that precede the pneumonia.

So this leaves us with a dilemma. As the pandemic continues, people are yearning for a relaxation of public health restrictions. No one wants to hear that perhaps we should continue these measures even after COVID-19 recedes. The good news is that we may not need all of the current restrictions to still see a benefit for our most vulnerable citizens. Ongoing research is required to clarify and quantify the connections we are seeing. Perhaps simply good hand hygiene, and indoor public masking for those at risk, will lead to lower numbers of hospitalizations for respiratory illnesses in the future.

People are desperate to reclaim their former lives and move past current restrictions, and yet we are calling for scientists, policy makers and the general public to consider a key potential learning from this difficult time. We have worked so hard to make mask-wearing the norm. If future studies confirm the significant benefits of this practice, do we really want to undo all this effort? We are not advocating for mask mandates or restrictive rules as they currently exist – but rather the maintenance of a new norm, based on collective goodwill and the realization of how many lives we could save by continuing this practice.

We need more high-quality studies to demonstrate the benefits, and identify potential harms of these measures. We also need to identify which of our current practices will have the greatest ongoing benefits and determine the least intrusive ways to use them while still being effective.

Some see masks as symbols of the anxiety and isolation the pandemic has caused. We are hoping people can instead come to see them as a tremendous gift we have given some of our most vulnerable citizens, protecting them from serious illness and even death. And we hope people will embrace the ongoing use of masks, even after the pandemic recedes.

That's right let's take the biased opinion of an introverted and socially dysfunctional academic. He's still getting over the trauma of being bullied in public school.

I am sure he is one of those germaphobe dumb fucks that wears masks in his home but only takes it off to eat food or brush his teeth.
 

The Oracle

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"The surgical mask blocked about 60% of .03 micron particles and over 90% of 1 micron and 2.5 micron particles."


"in one study, researchers tested particles down to .007 microns (even smaller than viruses) and found that a simple surgical mask blocked 80%."

"... it’s downright surprising that surgical masks are just as effective [as N95 masks]! Maybe virus particles are actually easy to capture because they fly on water droplets.

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/n95-mask-surgical-prevent-transmission-coronavirus/?rel=1
I've read some of those studies before . But then you listen to this guy who is a Viral Immunologist from the University of Guelph and you don't feel so confident. Go to 1:03:09

 

squeezer

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I've read some of those studies before . But then you listen to this guy who is a Viral Immunologist from the University of Guelph and you don't feel so confident. Go to 1:03:09

Hmmmm, he's into herd immunity. So then I wonder what's he all about??


Profile
Dr. Bridle is a viral immunologist who is passionate about improving life through two avenues of research. One arm of his research program is dedicated to designing and optimizing novel biotherapies for the treatment of cancers. The goal of his research team is to harness the natural power of a patient's immune system to eliminate their own cancer cells. This represents the ultimate personalized therapy and holds the potential to treat cancers more effectively, safely, and at lower cost than current options. The second arm of his research program focuses on studying host responses to viruses and other inflammatory stimuli. This has implications for the treatment of infectious diseases and inflammation-mediated disorders. These two programs have been unified in a unique way. The Bridle lab is harnessing their expertise in making potent cancer vaccines and combining this with their interest in anti-viral immunity to develop vaccines to protect against infectious diseases such as those caused by highly pathogenic coronaviruses. Mentoring the next generation of Canadian scientists is a responsibility that Dr. Bridle takes very seriously. He also counts it a privilege to teach students in the Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, graduate and undergraduate programs at the University of Guelph.

Hmmmm, interesting to say the least!

I don't know why but I keep hearing ducks , QUACK QUACK, where is that quacking coming from???? He's a specialist in Veterinary medicine as well, Oracle, perhaps a little gear to go with that bone broth?
 
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