Open Discussion: Increasing Average Rates Getting Too High?

[Tiny_royal3]

Actually - that might work. IF they can get the girls they already have to come out here. Still a difficult task and a costly investment that may not pan out.

A few agencies did that in Ottawa, where there is more play money available within the city and it was the same as here, because there was nothing out there but indies. Mirage, again, being one of them. It lasted about a year before they shut it down because it was not profitable and not enough girls would go. However, Durham being closer, girls may be a little more willing.

Also - please see my edit. I didn’t want to come across as rude. You seem to know a lot about the industry so I threw the suggestion out there. Maybe the better suggestion now is - approach some owners. Maybe you will plant a seed and something may come of it. Never hurts to try.

I was trying to get owner of my old Spa to open up a spot out here because funny thing most of the girls she hired are from Durham or Ottawa,Montreal or other provinces that would come and working for little and go back which been like that last few years,
she would not budge all hats off if you find one willing too.

 

[SexConnoisseur]

Just to summarize everything.
Hobbyists are concerned the rates of SP are going up but the service is still the same/ sub par.
SP have to raise rates due to the cost of living/ running their business.
Both valid reasons & concerns.
My solution to both of y’all, for us Hobbyist no more TOFFT only stick to tried & true providers that have built a reputation & deserving of your hard earned cash. Boycott the
In this economy, it’s not feasible to TOFFT & support scam operations/ possibly pimped out SP. Be wiser.

To providers, if you feel clients in Durham Region are too stingey with rates, you are more than welcome to tour & go to other cities where you can charge more which I noticed some SP local to Durham have already been doing that. I have zero idea how this business runs but I doubt hotel prices are cheaper anywhere else.
200 for HH is way too high unless you are providing an upscale experience, provide extras or reputable, not just advertising yourself as one. Anyone can called themselves an “upscale provider”

 

[SexConnoisseur]

wow, book you? your future? the 4 times I remember Ive tried booking you, youve come up with the lamest excuses that too after confirming our appointment each time..
either your pizza was late or your fridge was broken or your car broke down on the 401 and you had to repair it

just say you dont want business..Ill gladly give it to someone else...
and your here arguing about overpriced escorts...lol what a nutcase

I wanted to chime in, my experience has been the same with Tiny Royal/ Eryka although there have been positive reviews by people that has actually been able to see her. Unprofessional behaviour… I got some weird texts from her that was more like her talking to herself than me & last minute excuses 3 times I tried setting something up. What is this girl on? For that reason, I am out.

 

[Jenesis]

Just to summarize everything.
Hobbyists are concerned the rates of SP are going up but the service is still the same/ sub par.
SP have to raise rates due to the cost of living/ running their business.
Both valid reasons & concerns.
My solution to both of y’all, for us Hobbyist no more TOFFT only stick to tried & true providers that have built a reputation & deserving of your hard earned cash. Boycott the
In this economy, it’s not feasible to TOFFT & support scam operations/ possibly pimped out SP. Be wiser.

To providers, if you feel clients in Durham Region are too stingey with rates, you are more than welcome to tour & go to other cities where you can charge more which I noticed some SP local to Durham have already been doing that. I have zero idea how this business runs but I doubt hotel prices are cheaper anywhere else.
200 for HH is way too high unless you are providing an upscale experience, provide extras or reputable, not just advertising yourself as one. Anyone can called themselves an “upscale provider”

All 100% true.

I’ll probably get some hate from both sides for this but here goes …..

I think more men need to release they have a responsibility to do their research and stop being mesmerized by fake pics and dirty talk. It’s your hard earned money. Stop getting mad at people taking it and start investing it properly by doing your research. You don’t hire a contractor, lawyer or accountant without reviews or a referral. Why should sex purchasing be any different? Part of the blame is on you if you insist on scrolling through LL or other similar sites and not looking up reviews. Or leaving right away when you know the pics are a complete B&S. How many times do we see, pics were not of her but I decided to stay. If she lied about her pics, why would you think she didn’t lie about her services.

And more men need to review. Especially the bad experiences. We all know who the top providers are in Durham and reviews of us are great, don’t stop. But start reviewing the shitty ones a little more. It only helps out you hobbyist more. So many lurkers and not enough reviews. We all know who the top reviewers in Durham are as well. We need more reviews.

I think more ladies need to realize that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined. I’m a BBW. In her 40s. I’m not going to command $500/hr. Those are just facts. It is not a knock to myself as I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a 40 something BBW. But I’m not an idiot either and know that a woman who is 25 with an hour glass shape, big boobs, phat ass and with the same menu and great service as me - is more inline with $400-500/hr. If not more, based on looks and age. And I say possibly more, based on location.

If you can’t make all the money you need as income in Durham, then as suggested - tour. Touring is a great way to double, if not triple your monthly income from here in Durham. And touring can be as simple as heading to Markham which is only 30 mins away. This is from my personal experience.

Or get a second source of income. No one says that escorting has to be your main source and if COVID taught us anything, having multiple income streams is beneficial, even if it means some extra work. Not all can do this, I understand but most escorts can find other income streams if they try hard enough.

That is my tough love for the day.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

I wanted to chime in, my experience has been the same with Tiny Royal/ Eryka although there have been positive reviews by people that has actually been able to see her. Unprofessional behaviour… I got some weird texts from her that was more like her talking to herself than me & last minute excuses 3 times I tried setting something up. What is this girl on? For that reason, I am out.

I wanted to chime in, my experience has been the same with Tiny Royal/ Eryka although there have been positive reviews by people that has actually been able to see her. Unprofessional behaviour… I got some weird texts from her that was more like her talking to herself than me & last minute excuses 3 times I tried setting something up. What is this girl on? For that reason, I am out.

If anyone wants to see me today, I’m here And yes I am Werido and I fully embraced it since I was a child, I will admit I have mental health which does hinder me most days THATS WHY I agree too see everyone when I’m feel 100% that is why I have amazing reviews because when I’m 100% I give my clients 100%
If you want a half ass service I don’t provide that so what you might feel as excuses might be me trying to cover for my mental health because I don’t want to speak about a publicly if anyone has realized, I’m very very private person when people just shut down it’s something out of are control I try my hardest to not get there but as I said, no one understands what someone’s going through until they actually speak the fuck up.
But I’m just naturally bubbly and I overshare a lot but if you find I’m weird, then you’re not meant to be my client my energy is a vibe I have ADHD so I do go off topic half the time, but don’t ever slander me because you feel I’m weird because do I really wanna drop the messages of how many people ghosted me so who is supposed to come yesterday at 12 and change the time to one didn’t show up cause on my snap. Everyone saw my make up done and Me dressed waiting for an appointment and I was on cam yesterday's at 2 something and I was home all day. I didn’t leave until 11 PM.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

All 100% true.

I’ll probably get some hate from both sides for this but here goes …..

I think more men need to release they have a responsibility to do their research and stop being mesmerized by fake pics and dirty talk. It’s your hard earned money. Stop getting mad at people taking it and start investing it properly by doing your research. You don’t hire a contractor, lawyer or accountant without reviews or a referral. Why should sex purchasing be any different? Part of the blame is on you if you insist on scrolling through LL or other similar sites and not looking up reviews. Or leaving right away when you know the pics are a complete B&S. How many times do we see, pics were not of her but I decided to stay. If she lied about her pics, why would you think she didn’t lie about her services.

And more men need to review. Especially the bad experiences. We all know who the top providers are in Durham and reviews of us are great, don’t stop. But start reviewing the shitty ones a little more. It only helps out you hobbyist more. So many lurkers and not enough reviews. We all know who the top reviewers in Durham are as well. We need more reviews.

I think more ladies need to release that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined. I’m a BBW. In her 40s. I’m not going to command $500/hr. Those are just facts. It is not a knock to myself as I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a 40 something BBW. But I’m not an idiot either and know that a woman who is 25 with an hour glass shape, big boobs, phat ass and with the same menu and great service as me - is more inline with $400-500/hr. If not more, based on looks and age. And I say possibly more, based on location.

If you can’t make all the money you need as income in Durham, then as suggested - tour. Touring is a great way to double, if not triple your monthly income from here in Durham. And touring can be as simple as heading to Markham which is only 30 mins away. This is from my personal experience.

Or get a second source of income. No one says that escorting has to be your main source and if COVID taught us anything, having multiple income streams is beneficial, even if it means some extra work. Not all can do this, I understand but most escorts can find other income streams if they try hard enough.

That is my tough love for the day.

I agreer multiple hustle helps
that why I babysitting
Train dogs
And teach dance
And volunteer
And just having a passion for example fix cars and bike and racing and photography camping hiking boxing gymnastics exploring nature or new places something might lead you to your future .
And yes this is On top of doing adult entertainment.
Just find a passion and use what we learn for working in Telly into your passion

 

[SexConnoisseur]

If anyone wants to see me today, I’m here And yes I am Werido and I fully embraced it since I was a child, I will admit I have mental health which does hinder me most days THATS WHY I agree too see everyone when I’m feel 100% that is why I have amazing reviews because when I’m 100% I give my clients 100%
If you want a half ass service I don’t provide that so what you might feel as excuses might be me trying to cover for my mental health because I don’t want to speak about a publicly if anyone has realized, I’m very very private person when people just shut down it’s something out of are control I try my hardest to not get there but as I said, no one understands what someone’s going through until they actually speak the fuck up.
But I’m just naturally bubbly and I overshare a lot but if you find I’m weird, then you’re not meant to be my client my energy is a vibe I have ADHD so I do go off topic half the time, but don’t ever slander me because you feel I’m weird because do I really wanna drop the messages of how many people ghosted me so who is supposed to come yesterday at 12 and change the time to one didn’t show up cause on my snap. Everyone saw my make up done and Me dressed waiting for an appointment and I was on cam yesterday's at 2 something and I was home all day. I didn’t leave until 11 PM.

Hey, thanks for your honesty & speaking up. A lot of people endure mental issues but suffer in silence. I can related to being ADHD brained (Not clinical diagnosed), but that doesn’t excuse your/mine actions or behaviour with other people.
It’s still unprofessional & disrespecting peoples time specially when they are paying you for your time.
Timewasters is a part of the “job”, tis what it is.
Our correspondence was weird, you started texting broken English & expected me to understand. It’s clear you CAN speak in full sentences & not only speak in slang & broken English from your messages on this board.
I literally had to ask ChatGTP to interpret what you were saying. That was a 1st for me & grateful for AI.
I was surprised to see I was wasn’t the only one, that’s had similar problems trying to communicate with you. Take this as unwarranted constructive feedback.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

Because

Hey, thanks for your honesty & speaking up. A lot of people endure mental issues but suffer in silence. I can related to being ADHD brained (Not clinical diagnosed), but that doesn’t excuse your/mine actions or behaviour with other people.
It’s still unprofessional & disrespecting peoples time specially when they are paying you for your time.
Timewasters is a part of the “job”, tis what it is.
Our correspondence was weird, you started texting broken English & expected me to understand. It’s clear you CAN speak in full sentences & not only speak in slang & broken English from your messages on this board.
I literally had to ask ChatGTP to interpret what you were saying. That was a 1st for me & grateful for AI.
I was surprised to see I was wasn’t the only one, that’s had similar problems trying to communicate with you. Take this as unwarranted constructive feedback.

i think

Amen...this is the truth.... its just greed all over in Durham ...extremely few reasonably priced SPs (for the service provided)...
I'd only pay top dollar for Foxy Lady and Xina...... the rest are unreasonable and full of excuses and if they wanted to be in business, reduce yer prices and make profit in volume...you got to work harder for your money
theres healthy competition around you in the GTA (Scarborough, North York, Toronto, Mississauga ) and even in Belleville

the topic was about 'whether Durham was getting overpriced for hobbyists' and I laugh while this thread has turned into a sob story for service providers and how they need multiple sources of income, fucking internet hosting prices, prices of soap, provider's cars breaking down on the 401 delaying a hobbyists session.. the crazy ridiculous tangents they'll take you on

I also saw one SP threaten a hobbyist with bad service (#106) just coz he called her out on her BS. This is exactly the kind of opinions you'll get when accounts are compromised, which are ok with what service providers say or do for fear of bad service or retribution during a session. The more you listen to them going ''yeah im ok with whatever an SP charges however inflated' further inflates overall prices. Im pretty sure these 45-50 year old unreliable providers will use these same compromised accounts to peddle their lies and narratives, and within no time theyll start charging $300 for half an hour.

How was it broken on the 401 if I’m a G1 driver I told him the car was in the garage which I can see you guys from by the way. and the fact that the car my mechanic/clinet had was Hella loud and echoes through the whole neighborhood you could tell someone was getting a jump but ok should I go bar ask for footage then I never have driven on the highway day in life. Are you guys OK? You guys must think I’m very bold to break the law. Y’all got me messed up.
If I’m a G1 driver, why would I be on the highway that is illegal.
You guys do knows that right.
Make 0 sense why would I text client I broke down on highway knowing I’m g1 driver it illegal and the fact that your posting it and lying if my G1 gets taken away, guess what I have camera footage and photos that car hasn’t moved since February I was getting jump on my car YES! but in my garage Which is on simcoe st s not on 401 but as I said I will ask for camera footage of that night and we can watch me cry in rain how about that.

 

[RebelinBed]

I'd only pay top dollar for Foxy Lady and Xina...... the rest are unreasonable and full of excuses and if they wanted to be in business, reduce yer prices and make profit in volume...you got to work harder for your money
theres healthy competition around you in the GTA (Scarborough, North York, Toronto, Mississauga ) and even in Belleville

Dude, we get your stance on the subject. You don't need to keep coming back on here and literally copy and pasting the same thing on several different posts; what I left quoted above. We don't need your incessant negativity and certainly don't need you antagonizing whoever you can into whatever argument you want to have.

The goal is to try and make the situation here in Durham better for both clients and SPs. Your solution of "go to Markham, Scarborough, etc does not help solve this problem but only further perpetuate it by letting scammers and bad SPs win. We can't work together to make the situation better for everyone if we all don't understand each other's points of view. Not our individual points of view, but our general points of view as both clients and SPs. Personally, I found Jenesis & Eryka's comments to be most insightful and helpful to understand better their point of view. They have both also found several of our comments to be insightful so they understand our perspective as clients.

If all you want to do is see and talk about SPs from other cities and regions, then go into those sections of terb and discuss them there instead of bringing your negativity into the section of a region you clearly have a lot of disdain and hatred towards.

This is all I'm going to say to you about it and I am not going to get into a back and forth with you because clearly all you like to do here is argue with anyone who doesn't share your exact same points of view.

 

[Tiny_royal3]

You guys are saying something what’s untrue and I’m defending myself so I don’t think this argument if I’m giving the fax which is common sense how can I have a G1 driver be broken down on the highway? It makes zero sense so you guys actually go back and look what I said so how am I arguing if I’m restating the fact, but we arguing I don’t argue with people, that’s why I said talk Cheap action speak and my actions based off my reviews speak louder since I was 18 years old. The fact that January makes six years I’ve been in this industry why would I argue with someone? I just walk away clearly you’re assuming my character cool.

 

[Mikediamond]

I think more ladies need to release that just because one person charges a certain rate, doesn’t mean that should be your rate too. Your rates should be based on your required quota, days working, expenses paid, and service provided, as well as age, looks and location combined. I’m a BBW. In her 40s. I’m not going to command $500/hr. Those are just facts. It is not a knock to myself as I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a 40 something BBW. But I’m not an idiot either and know that a woman who is 25 with an hour glass shape, big boobs, phat ass and with the same menu and great service as me - is more inline with $400-500/hr. If not more, based on looks and age. And I say possibly more, based on location.

You’re one of the most level-headed ladies on the board and posts like this are why. Telling others how to run their business instead of focusing on your own is pretty poor form. If your rates match your service and looks and you’re making what you want to make, why worry about what your competition is doing?

Boredom? Jealousy? Insecurities? Cattiness?

 

[foxxxy lady]

I am not sure if anyone is Jealous, not sure who told someine how to run their business? But it is hard to charge what you are worth even when you do have big beautiful breasts and a phat ass and hour glass shape in Durham Region. No I am not 20 but have been working out the past 2years 5x a day and look after my skin and feel and look better now then I did in my 20's . I have many reviews saying I am worth my rates but its others telling me what I should be charging in Durham . So I have a Special.. same great services with a hottie

Xo
Amber aka jessica rabbit
The Redhead nymph

 

[foxxxy lady]

I'm not just talking just to you, but to others as well. Do what you will babe to survive. And me as a client will do what I have to to survive.
The genuine providers will have organic reviews of themselves without having to ask or solicit after their session --> again not singling you out, coz you are way, way above the generic crappy providers in Durham.

the results of this poll thumpingly say one thing and then there are a handful of providers whining and crying on this thread going off on tangents and not understanding that Durham clients feel that the region is too expensive for this hobby (you might not be one of them but, oh boy are there others who are!!!!)

The results of this poll explain themselves and when the majority agree that the average rate is WAY TOO HIGH, then I'd consider it rather uppity to claim that we're "telling someone how to run their business". When you charge wayyyy higher than what you're worth, I will not see you and this needs to be called out.

And how is giving you feed back that you are way too expensive (if you are), construed on your end to be '' telling someone how to run their business " ?

I hope you take this in the right spirit, coz at this moment, Im really hard pressed for someone in Durham who's reasonably priced apart from yourself, Asian Monica and Xina. And the singular good&deserving, but comparatively expensive provider raises her rates and the other not so good ones think its okay on their end to raise theirs to match yours and the price gouging goes on and here we are.

Babe I never said your poll was telling me how to run your business. I also appreciate ypu for agreeing my rates and a few other wimens rates are fair. I just said that I am not jealous, catty , whining and some of the other things in this thread I noticed ( not anything you said) I am not sure who you do see but it seems they are not for you. I have reviews because I deserve them and some clients like to give reviews, some don't and thats fine too. I am not sure why you are quoting what I said as being a personal attack on you because I was not at all. I am just saying that I understand that the rates are low here and I decided to give a Christmas present so clients can see me that normally won't because of my rates and maybe some clients who have not seen me in awhile can see how I have improved in many areas . I certainly dont want to argue with you or anyone else and I apologized to the person who felt I said her rates are to low. I think we all should just lighten up abit and have a good time.

Xo
Amber aka Jessica Rabbit
The Redhead nymph

 

[Aceman123]

So I wanted to post this as an open discussion (mostly) and a poll.

So back in 2016/17 when I started this hobby the average price for a. HH GFE was about 100/120. Then it went up to 140. Then it went up to 150/160. But now, most ladies I inquire with are charging 200/HH!? For nothing more than a basic GFE experience. Most of them barely even deliver that and some are charging those rates for just a cbj and fs, not even GFE.

Now, I know there are a lot of variables that play in to this and I know that there is a level of subjectivity as well. I also know that there are always going to be guys who will pay whatever for whatever without even thinking twice. But like goddamn.

Now, I'm all for paying people for their services and experience regardless of industry. I also know that partaking in this hobby is a luxury. However, how is it realistic that the average rate is now 200/HH? I understand well-reviewed ladies charging a bit more than average. I understand agencies charging a bit more than average. I understand the elite high-class escorts charging what they charge. But for your average run of the mill GFE?

Now I know there are guys on here who live by only seeing 60, 80, 100 ladies. I have no bloody idea how. But you guys aren't the guys I'm wanting to have in this discussion. This discussion is mostly for those of us who are willing to pay the average rates or even a bit more as well as any ladies who want to chime in.

I know there's very little we can do to stop the rates from getting too high but at what point, for the average client, is it too much?

Let’s add paying $125 for a car call BJ to the list of excessive… should do a poll on that!

 

[foxxxy lady]

I let my accountant handle that. But you can call it anything. Entertainer, dog walker, etc. CRA just wants their's. If you are smart you incorporate and pay yourself and get a T4. Cash gets you nowhere in this society. Cant buy a house, car, or investments with cash unless I am missing something.

Good answer. Its no ones business but yours and your accountants.

 

[foxxxy lady]

How does the CRA end up catching an escort who does the majority of her business in cash; rents; and has no other assets to speak of and doesn't file a T1 Return?

I understand the aspect of if you don't declare your income to the tax man you can't get a loan from the banker. I would think the only way the CRA would know is if a disgruntled person went online here:

Reporting suspected tax or benefit cheating in Canada – Overview - Canada.ca

and filed one of these.

I know the CRA can also send letters "Demanding to File" and can also do "Arbitrary Assessments" where they complete the T1 Return(s) themselves and send a bill to the person, which is treated as correct until the person files the missing returns and CRA accepts them.

An old client told me about a girl he used to see that this happened to years back , it opened my eyes , It does happen so its important to have an accountant that knows what she/ he is doing. I also have been told nerver talk about Politics, Religion, and Money is the 3rd I think . It just causes problems for the most part. Somethings are better kept private. I shared personal things with some clients I should not have and when the decided to get digrunted they can play little games its best to stick with just being a good escort and keep other matters between your bank, your accountant, investors ( real ones) I was fooled once by a fake one who I trusted who came as a client trying to help.

 

[foxxxy lady]

So no sick days, no slow days, no holidays, no expenses like incall costs or advertising. How do you not calculate for any of that? Sure you allowed for only 3 weeks for a period week but gave no room for anything else.

Please stop telling women how much they work and how much they make. You simply don’t know.

Absolutely, we are not fuck machines all day long day after day , all year long but hey 🫠 I used to thing that teachers slept at the school when I was 6 and thats all they did is teach.

 

[foxxxy lady]

If anyone wants to see me today, I’m here And yes I am Werido and I fully embraced it since I was a child, I will admit I have mental health which does hinder me most days THATS WHY I agree too see everyone when I’m feel 100% that is why I have amazing reviews because when I’m 100% I give my clients 100%
If you want a half ass service I don’t provide that so what you might feel as excuses might be me trying to cover for my mental health because I don’t want to speak about a publicly if anyone has realized, I’m very very private person when people just shut down it’s something out of are control I try my hardest to not get there but as I said, no one understands what someone’s going through until they actually speak the fuck up.
But I’m just naturally bubbly and I overshare a lot but if you find I’m weird, then you’re not meant to be my client my energy is a vibe I have ADHD so I do go off topic half the time, but don’t ever slander me because you feel I’m weird because do I really wanna drop the messages of how many people ghosted me so who is supposed to come yesterday at 12 and change the time to one didn’t show up cause on my snap. Everyone saw my make up done and Me dressed waiting for an appointment and I was on cam yesterday's at 2 something and I was home all day. I didn’t leave until 11 PM.

Babe you be yourself you are not a weirdo. No one is perfect in life, you just be you. There are always bullies on this board, always have been. You are you and you are a great person

 

[foxxxy lady]

Yes, don't ever talk about politics or religion. As I client I never have nor will. It's the top 2 things people are highly opinionated on or so. I've heard from others who opened their mouths and if a SP has mental health issues they can blow up. I personally am open minded and non-judgmental, if someone brought it up I'd just change the topic to other small talk. And never discuss money with a client or SP no matter what they claim their occupation is. I'd never discuss money with a SO either. Most I've encountered make bad decisions generally based on impulse and it's annoying. Or one person takes advantage and relies on the other person than wanting to do much work. It gets annoying. If after many years the person is trustworthy enough I'd disclose certain things. Too many fakes and snakes in this world. Tell your close friends what you have and some start asking for money or get jealous and if you don't help out often then they start hating on you or distant themself from you.

I've heard stories from women who's bf or so controlled their bank accounts and would cash their cheques then they made the decision what to do with the money she earned. Don't understand why some people let people take advantage like that, but they probably really like the person until something happens financially. Stay safe out there!

You stay safe too babe ,

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

People can charge that because they're getting it. I'm an all safe provider but men still try to get me to provide services I don't provide and they're basically willing to let me name my price. It's nothing for someone to offer $250 or $300 for a bbbj. I had someone offer me $500 once a long time ago. I did it. It was gross. I'll never do it again but I got $500 on top of my rate just for that.

I charge a lower rate and I know I am making good choices. I don't have to worry about my health or my sexual health and I'm happy with that. People who offer bbbj can get whatever price they want. It's shocking to me that people do it for less than $100 because people are basically willing to pay $100 on top of the hourly rate just for bbbj.