Oops, Ford Admin. negotiated union contracts fed the union gravy train more so than the Miller Admin. did.
I guess that makes Ford, KING RAT.
Oops Robby did it again!
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I guess that makes Ford, KING RAT.
I drive my car 5 days a week, to and from work on St. Clair and I approve of the above message.
The difference then and now, is nightmare before and happy days in the present.
yeah , a much needed and well done street... the residents and shop owners will be awarded for their patience... business and property value will rise..there are also new condos going up at Bathurst)
No. He negotiated with them for a win-win situation. It has been nothing but good for the city and the workers.
The thing that you should be most concerned about is how a council decided who they did not want to work with and replaced the mayor with someone they wanted. The public voted him into office. The public should have the democratic right to vote him out.
Mind you, leftists don't think like that. They want to hand over all the power to government to make decisions for them. Which explains why you want Chow.
Premier Wynne wasn't voted in either. No wonder she didn't step in to get rid of Ford even though she had the power to do so. Yet she remains in office despite the RCMP investigation into millions of stolen tax dollars. Liberals haven't been charged, but Ford hasn't either.
Yes really. Nothing to be embarrassed about. And I meant the part about you moving out of the city. If you are too embarrassed to live here, just leave. Simple solution.
That's actually a great idea.. Pack up all my shit, sell my house, move to some other city, all to avoid some dip shit limp dick mayor..
... Then again, we could just vote out the current moron mayor.. Hmmm. I'll have to think about that one.
Believe it or not, those councillors were also voted into office (I know.. Your mind is blown). And they were largely reacting to concerns from their own constituents.
I understand that you really really want democracy to be this simplified "I voted, that's the end of it" kinda scenario.. Unfortunately (for you.. fortunate for the rest of civilization), democracy doesn't end at the ballot box. Mayor Rob Ford knew this.. He may not like it.. But he knew this, and no amount of whining from him (or any of his shrinking contingent of pig headed, blind, morally bankrupt, Ford Nationites) can change that..
Good for you. I'm packing up and leaving this shit show of a city and the shambles Ford has left it in. Social services are frayed,the roads are worse and having a mayor that moved to close libraries? There are too many cuts and it will take too many years for Toronto to recover. I'll give my property taxes to a city that gives me service for them
That is Ford Nation mythology. The reality is somewhat different. Ford showed up at all the union negotiations like Santa handing out presents.
He did highly visible things like contact out the garbage, but in the actual contract negotiations the reason why there has been no strike is that he said yes to everything the unions wanted. Yes to jobs for life. Yes to pay rises.
In the case of the TTC he took the Miller contact, which you think was exorbitant, guaranteed inflation indexed pay rises, and then etched the contract in stone by declaring them essential, so that no future mayor can EVER roll back their inflation indexed exorbitant pay.
If you think there had been no strike because the timid little union bosses are scared of big bad Rob, you need to lay off the crack yourself. They didn't strike because they got a good deal.
OK. Not quite everyone. If you held a lottery and picked any resident in Toronto at random, and made them mayor, you would get a better mayor than Ford. But, you are right, we would want to exclude homeless people from the lottery so that we don't get another crack head mayor.
If the two weren't connected, I can't see why you tried to connect them. Thanks for underlining my point in your reply now; it was you who said Toronto was both in your original post.
As to what helpful things Councillors other than Ford may have done, elementary logic says they did everything that Rob did not do by himself. Which leaves 'What has Rob actually accomplished?' still an open, unanswered question. Like his lies about his personal life, his lies about 'savings' are unsupported by the facts which are all against him. But he did manage to get a judge to rule that his conduct meritted removal from office. None of the other Councillors managed that one. In case you think to mention the appeal, that Court didn't address his misconduct at all because they found a technicality to let him off.
You're the one who called Toronto a crumbling embarrassment, and specifically set late night TV comics as some sort of benchmark, they mean nothing to me. I did see a Jimmy Kimmel schtick once, in some awards show, but the other names are just names I've never seen or cared to. This 'point' of yours has little logic as the rest of the post.
No need for me to move anywhere, with Rob the Mayor an exploded myth (like Rob the Subway Builder, Rob The Tax-Cutter, Rob The FootBall Coach, Rob The Front Man for Toronto). He's in rehab, albeit decades late, and without any evidence of the personal commitment such an effort requires for success. But I do wish him well personally, even as I'm grateful to see his mayoral back, and earnestly hope a dismal vote count crushes any lingering notion that ordinary Torontonians tolerate or condone lying, abusive, drunken do-nothing drug abusers fouling their public offices.
Oh, yeah. You brought up waste disposal. Thanks to Mayor Free Bags For All, not only must I pay for the crappy plastic bags sociopathic idiots like him demanded in the delusion they were getting something for nothing, but I once again have to watch them flutter for months in the trees along my street, and up and down the DVP. Thanks to Miller's hard line with the garbage union, it was relatively easy for Doug Holyday to do a privatization deal for half the City. Mayor Taxcuts just rolled the $5/house/year savings into his own Ford-flavoured, found-money gravy-train to spend elsewhere and they disappeared. Along with his 'promise' to eliminate the Land Transfer Tax as soon as he was elected. Then he raised our taxes.
In one of his drunken stupors no doubt, but they ain't goin' down thanks to Robbie.
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And Chicago, the town he and Doug keep pointing to as their model…, has enacted a 10¢ bag charge.
That may be a tad hasty. Unlike guys living on their inheritance, and buying their drugs with Daddy's money, street people have to have real wits and gumption to survive and make it to their next score. Whenever I've made it past a 'spare change' conversation, they've proven at least averagely articulate, intelligent, educated and informed. All of which makes them superior candidates to the one under discussion
I grant we might need hourly drug testing, and attendance checks with the street guy, but recent experience has shown us so does the home-owning family man, with his middle-class background, who is just an 'ordinary average guy'.
At least maybe the guy who's has to pass a piss test just to get a bed for the night might have the chops to pull off his deception for a full term.
Maybe ask the multitude of store owners who had to shutdown or move their businesses. I know at least 2 of them. So it really depends who's perspective you are talking about.
Also, how many hundreds of thousand of $'s are now being spent on re-configuring the streetcar landings because they screwed them up.
Toronto is a modern world-class city...why are we investing in antiquated transportation?
700,000 hits on 'modern streetcar design', without even checking LRT. If it wasn't for the car-hungry Chinese and other developing markets, world car sales would be showing declines as more and more of us move to, and live in cities and fewer and fewer can out-compete plastics manufacturers and electric utilities for ever scarcer petroleum just to get to work. Individually-owned autos were the johnny-come-latelys in the transportation world and as expendable, road-hogging luxuries they'll be the first to go.
There'll still be guided, mass-transit on its own right-of-ways above and below ground, long afterward the antiquated idea of private cars for all is a memory, just as there were subways, and trollies before Daimler, Benz and Ford, and have been and still are to this day.
Miller made sure Toronto was left in a mess before he left. Just because Ford couldn't get council to work with him is not all on Ford's shoulders. Remember, they went on record saying they would not work with him as soon as he was elected. And you are comparing a bag fee to rotting garbage in the streets being held hostage by unions? Really? Miller was useless when it came to dealing with the unions and that is a fact.
If you don't want to pay for a bag bring your own. Easy fix. It's called choice.
Ford wanted a 1.75% increase...council voted on a 2.25% increase! He proposed $60 million worth of cuts and council shot him down. Doesn't quite fit into their cozy tax & spend leftist philosophy.
Just keep in mind and like I have said before...you have a council that removed the democratically elected mayor and replaced him with who they wanted.
Doesn't that worry you comrade?
Somewhere in this city is a tree waiting to be hugged by you.
...and we will all worship the state, be paid the same no matter what our profession, and wear the same clothing. And then you will feel at home.
How would Ford have dealt with the garbage strike?
Probably the same as Windsor's mayor at the same time, a tough stance hoping to break the union. Might have worked, but the strike would have gone much longer.
As for other unions, Ford was useless. He immediately gave the cops what they wanted - even told them to hire more when they said they were fine with the current numbers.
More nonsense.
If garbage was rotting in the streets it was because irresponsible people pitched it there instead of dealing with their waste like adults and good citizens. Nothing to do with Miller, or with unions. Just low class idiots. But the truth is that garbage was not "rotting in the streets" in any general way, and it's silly to repeat such an obvious falsehood. If "…Miller was useless when it came to dealing with the unions and that is a fact" then are you saying he should have headed off the strike by giving into them? Like Rob did when he became Mayor? If you want a tough guy out in front, you gotta wade through the resulting crap with him until the other side caves. Not bitch that it's stinky and he never shoulda taken them to the wall, and 'get my garbage gone now!!!'.
News Flash: Nothing is free. The cost of all those giveaway bags is built into every price in the store. Because stupoid shoppers like to think they're getting a freebie. Unless someone passes a law making you buy each bag, the retailers just follow Barnum's Law: No one ever lost money betting on the stupidity and greed of the average man. If I bring my bag to the store I still pay for just as many bags as if I did not. So a corollary of Gresham's Law* kicks in: Bad practice drives out good. Slowly we all give up bringing our bags. More trashy bags blowing in the wind, stuck in trees, clogging catchbasins and sewers. Which is why Toronto was bucking the trend not following it when Rob got his one Neanderthal 'achievement' through Council (after the typical Fordian mismanaged fumble, when his precious plastic bags were temporarily outlawed altogether). BTW life continued, rather cleaner overall.
Interesting two of your 'defences' of Rob are based on elevating asocial irresponsibility to the level of ordinary normal behaviour, whether boorish buffoons tossing their trash in the street or not having the smarts to manage even a shopping bag responsibly on their own. I like to think I try for better than that, as do you and most people I live among. I don't think Rob does, not by the company he keeps, nor the things he says, nor his idea of fun.
That leaves Ford's tax hike, which he promised would not be needed thanks to all the gravy he's find and cut. Which he promised would not be needed even after he eliminated the land Transfer Tax, which he's hung onto because he can't come anywhere near balancing his budget without it and his hike. It's great he says he wanted a smaller hike and more cuts, but fact is he didn't deliver what he promised, and never could. We can deal with the users fee hikes and service cuts he made after promising he wouldn't some other time.
Here's the thing Rob and his claque keep ignoring: He has just one vote. The ONLY way he gets to keep any promise or do anything useful is by making 22 other council members see it his way. They did right after the election , and even experienced Councillors who knew what a loose cannon loner he was voted with him in the first few meetings. How else did Transit City get axed? But he managed—maybe in one of his drunken stupors—to alienate his friends and allies and give up on the effort to persuade the unconvinced. And finally got down to just him and Doug, lying to and voting against the world.
Because he wasn't competent. Someday we may find out if that was all the chemicals or not but in the near term it doesn't matter. He wasn't and isn't competent.
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Gresham's Law: Bad money drives out good. Same as Juliani's Broken Window Principle: If you don't fix it, the whole neighbourhood will go. Gotta aim for the best Boober, Mr. TaxCuts and Magic Gravy can only deliver the bad money.
He would have got sooooo wasted. Trashed.
This is pretty funny.
http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/c...nnel=01b4b96fa9811410VgnVCM10000071d60f89RCRD
Remember to keep an emergency stash of crack and vodka at all times, citizens!
Also coming up while Ford's away this month:
Freedom of Information Week
and
Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia
Love the last one OJ. So during the Garbage strike any garbage in the streets was solely the responsibility of the citizens of the city. But removal of the "bag tax"(not really one because retailers kept it and I didn't see anything go down in price to offset the cost) has resulted in bags strewn across the streets of Toronto, and NOT the fault of those citizens but of Ford.
Interesting........
Of course being in Etobicoke I had privatized garbage so I didn't have any issues.......
Interesting........
Of course being in Etobicoke I had privatized garbage so I didn't have any issues.......
