That's real niceYet still the system ranks as one of the best in the world.
Well actually the most important thing to do is determining exactly how bad the problem is.There is an obvious flaw in education systems because the curriculum is designed to fit the past and current circumstances and can not accurately guess the needs of the future but you don't want to discuss that. You just want to bitch about teachers.
You have nothing to say about the interests of the students ?And yes, the curriculum is designed and set by the government. Teachers are paid to implement the government curriculum yet somehow you want to blame teachers for not refusing to do what they are paid to do.
World wide.That's real nice
Too bad it is of limited value...
???You have nothing to say about the interests of the students ?
That is not my modelIts your model, you should own it.
The market says if you pay good money for some teaching, then you needs to get your papers too.
Another absolutely ridiculous statement !Its only us leftists who think that education is necessary for a democracy to function and that its worthless if you can just buy a degree.
Its yours.
So once again you are dead wrongEducation is the single most important thing a society can do to better itself
Because it is so important, it drives me absolutely nuts to see the focus be on enriching teachers and not on preparing students for life
Too bad the problem is here in OntWorld wide.
Are you out of your mind?My personal view is we put way too much emphasis on kids going to University no matter their interests or ability but that's a societal issue.
From word go in this thread all you have done is absolve teachers of any accountability , never once in this thread did you express any real concern for the kids who have been short changed a quality education.???
Where did you get that?
Almost as fucked up as extorting $100K from the province and refusing to be accountablePretty fucked up that you are suggesting that teachers are failing at their job because they don't refuse to do what their employers tell them.
Again, how in the world can you honestly say or think that teachers are not accountable for their one and only objective, which is to prepare our kids for the future ?If your argument is that the system is failing them then complain about the design of the system instead of just looking to bash teachers.
Of all the strike threats and work to rule incidents from Ont teachers over the last decade, why did they not dig their heels in if the curriculum was a mess ?And yes, teachers have a huge role to play but the things you are complaining about aren't within their control.
Another absolutely ridiculous statementIt must be quite disappointing to you that you're not able to qualify for one of those plum, $100k jobs, eh?
Its not a serious problem.Another absolutely ridiculous statement
I suspect he is more concerned about his kids future and not so much about jealously.
This is a pretty serious problem
1. You have already tried to lay blame the government, (the right wing fringe of the loonie tune Liberal party???? What an absurd statement).Its not a serious problem.
Canada's education ranked #3 in the world.
Spending money to keep a #3 ranked education system running is fine by me.1. You have already tried to lay blame the government, (the right wing fringe of the loonie tune Liberal party???? What an absurd statement).
If this is not a serious problem, why was defecting blame your first priority?
2. If students are not prepared for business, college or university then what good is a ranking, good or bad?
(As useful as Tits on a bull)
Now you would rather pretend there is no issue, showing zero concern students may not be getting the education required to succeed in life, an education which they are entitled to.
Your loyalty to the union/ loonie left mentality and its impact on your judgement would be comical if it were not so sad to observe
How will year after year of improperly "taught" students impact your GINI index a few years down the road?
So which is more important to you
a) Continuing to spend $24 B to enrich teachers while they fail to prepared students for life?
or
b) Ensuring there is not an increase in youth who can not earn a living ?
it is a question with a door #1 or door #2 answer
Yep,... agreed on all counts.Another absolutely ridiculous statement
I suspect he is more concerned about his kids future and not so much about jealously.
This is a pretty serious problem
You mean spending other peoples money is fine by youSpending money to keep a #3 ranked education system running is fine by me.
So now you say this is the largest problem in our education systemKicking out the business model people who have given our education system its largest problem is all we need to do to fix it.
Your credibility takes a pounding with each post you makeOriginally Posted by Frankfooter
Its not a serious problem.
Canada's education ranked #3 in the world.
You mean people who place the students interest ahead of enriching the teachers and their union?Just get rid of the people who think like you do and it'll all be fine.
Those are college teachers, quite different.They are now on strike,... "for the students",... wanting guaranteed employment,...complaining that more teaching positions are becoming contract work,... and in the same breath,... demanding an increase in an already exorbitant income.
It does not explain why teachers did not dig in their heels to fight if the curriculum is a messYep,... agreed on all counts.
Plus I don't need some civil servant union blackmailing the public to earn a good living,... and cover the incompetent asses.
I can't believe their current complete disregard for economic common sense,... let alone logic.
They are now on strike,... "for the students",... wanting guaranteed employment,...complaining that more teaching positions are becoming contract work,... and in the same breath,... demanding an increase in an already exorbitant income.
But this lunacy does explain a lot today,... doesn't it.
If there is a teacher, a union and a government source of funds combined at the elementary, high school or post secondary level we need to make some very significant changes.Those are college teachers, quite different.
Way too many are hired contract by contract, with colleges and universities making them switch courses every few years or not hiring every few years to keep them from getting any seniority or higher wages. Those ones will work full time and still be under the poverty line.
Poor results on a standardized test is not proof of a failing system.... most kids have to write it so naturally kids with learning disabilities etc drag the average down. Same with kids new to the country. Kids with truancy issues also drag the average down..... by scoring zeroes.Yes the managers at OTPP deserve a lot of credit, they have performed very well for their clients
It was a question, not a statement
however, it does raise the stinging question why are education costs the second highest expenditure in the provincial budget.
As teachers become enriched ( $87,000/ year $100,000 after benefits) the province debt keeps climbing
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/allan-richarz-ontarios-teachers-are-overpaid
And we do not appear to be getting good value for $100k
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...36124763/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
http://www.ctvnews.ca/students-not-prepared-for-university-says-survey-1.436329
https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/ne...36162866/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&
http://www.universityaffairs.ca/opi...taught-its-high-school-students-not-to-think/
Perhaps a change is required where the focus is on properly preparing students for the challenges of life rather than the current focus which appears to be enriching teachers via debt financing
Yeah, 'cuz its an emergency.If there is a teacher, a union and a government source of funds combined at the elementary, high school or post secondary level we need to make some very significant changes.
The interest of students has to become a priority and the abuse of the taxpayer has to end
Eventually the parasite kills the host or the host gets rid of the parasite.
Lets hope it is not to late for the province
We have seen the value of your "You get what you pay for" argumentThere's also plenty of evidence that lowered spending on education results in worse results. Take a look at Detroit for example.
Ha HaPeople have had this magic idea surrounding 100K salaries but people aren't adjusting for inflation. Teacher's salaries has been increasing at a rate less than inflation (since they do not receive 2 to 3 per cent raises every year)
And it is a students right to expect a quality educationPeople want to vilify teachers for striking because it affects kids.... of course it does.... but that is their legal right to strike.
??? WTF ???To blame schools for not preparing kids is unfair.....
Lets see first you deny there is a problemhelicopter parents who coddle their kids have to take responsibility. They also spoil their kids. Just look at kids and cellphones.... why does a kid need an iPhone.... give them a basic phone with maybe a qwerty keyboard. All the while paying thousands for rep hockey etc. What you end up with is a kid with expensive tastes and no coping skills..... the curriculum and who taught them can't fix that.
Another ridiculous statement which proves you are incapable of viewing this problem objectively and that you do not give a rats ass about studentsPeople complain about quality of graduates but it seems to be anecdotal evidence which is probably enhanced by confirmation bias..... old guys has a belief that younger generation are incompetent so looks for cases to affirm his belief.
If we are spending 24 B a year and graduating students who are not prepared for life, I am afraid firing a few teachers will not sufficeCould education be improved? Sure..... make it easier to fire the bad teachers. Also, have the principals return to building communities rather than pushing flavor of the month buzz words.
Yes it is an emergency! you idiot!Yeah, 'cuz its an emergency.
After all, Canada's education system is ranked #3.
do not tell me to tone it downThere is no emergency, tone it down.
You may hate unions, but unions gave us our middle class and that middle class has been shrinking.
Bullshitbut unions gave us our middle class and that middle class has been shrinking.
Good for you. Your teachers taught you that Ontario is part of the world.Too bad the problem is here in Ont
The fact is that a great number of jobs have absolutely no education need for a University education, it is a societal expectation. In case you missed it, a generation ago a high school diploma was the standard then it became a University degree and soon we will see it stated that you need a masters to make money. It is a ridiculous inflation of expectations that serves no real purpose.Are you out of your mind?
kids without a secondary education are going to really hard pressed to make a decent living going forward
that trend is going to intensify
