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Keebler Elf

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The prices charged are artificially low to keep it palatable and the tax payer is absorbing the difference to keep the low prices. Better to face reality and start to show consumers what energy really costs instead of keeping your head in the sand.
Correct, but Mike Harris came up with a galactically stupid and short sighted plan that thought private enterprise would reduce electricity prices. Sure, in the long run. But in the short run everyone's electricity prices doubled and he had to backpedal faster than Michael Jackson can moonwalk to keep from getting turfed out of office.

That's why governments since have been weening the public off subsidized electricity prices a little bit every year.
 

Keebler Elf

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Now unions are often a net negative influence and their influence should be lessened since they cost consumers more and weaken the economy.
If you mean a net negative because they represent and protect the rights of workers, you would be correct.

Otherwise, not so much.

Fess up, you're a union hater. It's obvious.
 

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If you mean a net negative because they represent and protect the rights of workers, you would be correct.

Otherwise, not so much.

Fess up, you're a union hater. It's obvious.
I mean unions are negative because they extract unfairly generous pay for themselves that harms consumers and the economy.

Of course I'm a union hater: I'm a capitalist and believe in the free market and earning my fair share through my hard work.

By the way, I also hate cancer which does the same thing to our bodies that unions do to our country. Have a problem with that too?

D.
 

hinz

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If you mean a net negative because they represent and protect the rights of workers, you would be correct.

Otherwise, not so much.

Fess up, you're a union hater. It's obvious.
The concept of Union was noble but it has outlived its usefulness nowadays.

Not necessarily a Union basher/hater no matter what or by default, but the Union nowadays remind me of Napoleon in the Animal Farm-"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." :rolleyes:
 

my2cents

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The concept of Union was noble but it has outlived its usefulness nowadays.

Not necessarily a Union basher/hater no matter what or by default, but the Union nowadays remind me of Napoleon in the Animal Farm-"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." :rolleyes:
You may want to ask current workers whose work load have incresed, thus needing more hours to complete the tasks but not being paid the overtime. This is happening all too often these days like in banks where workers have taken the banks to court (yea I wonder how many this ahappened to who couldn't afford a lawyer). Yes there are problems with unions but there is also problems with companies exploiting workers of what is owed to them. Perhaps you want to be considered a part time employee when you have worked years at the same company putting in full time hours?
You don't think companies would love to pay below minimum wage to workers and make them work llong hours without compensation of course they would. Don't give me the line of "that the workers can leave" since in the current economy many don't have the choice.
 

hinz

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You may want to ask current workers whose work load have incresed, thus needing more hours to complete the tasks but not being paid the overtime. This is happening all too often these days like in banks where workers have taken the banks to court (yea I wonder how many this ahappened to who couldn't afford a lawyer).Yes there are problems with unions but there is also problems with companies exploiting workers of what is owed to them. Perhaps you want to be considered a part time employee when you have worked years at the same company putting in full time hours?
Like I said before, I am not Union bashing by default. I am equally bashful to the other extreme.

Having once worked for one of the big six banks I could hear the CSR rationale when she tried to take CIBC to court but like you said before, she could leave and work for the competitors but again she probably had too much at stakes at CIBC, say Mortgages and line of credits with interest rate at prime for staffs and substantial DB plan accumulated for years ;)

I'm afraid she could be let go not because she sue her employer but she had "unsatisfactory" job performance due to falling short to achieve sales targets.

As far as the banks are concern, I am sure you are fully aware the power of the banks by now. Like it or not, one way or another, you'll pay the cost for using the service. Banks are not charities and even for charities they need to reign in cost on administration to deploy additional resources to fight for the cause.

The only thing you can control will be how much you have to pay.

BTW, some SME argue vocally they should boycott the Visa/Mastercard Debit cards before they roll out and disclose their discount fees in 2010, while refusing to give cash discount after taxes for the clients who are willing to pay cash. Again the banks could rachet up deposits fees at the branch or if they really piss the banks so much that the banks simply cut their credit lines during the time for additional cash flows to pay the bills.

It could be worse when some small businesses take cash only transactions and result to have thieves armed to the teeth and rob their businesses just before closing the business hours...cause that's where the money is. It will be inevitable to spend big on erecting security measures but would that defeat the purpose to save money for not accepting Debit & Credit as methods of payments?

Simply put, it's a game of chicken or pushing the envelope. The banks will push the limit but not too much to make the clients snapped and lose everything.

Not sure the Unions are equally good at this game since they would rather kill the cash cows than reining in unsustainable entitlements. Just take a look at the Detriot Three, TTC and our bloated 3 levels of governments. Maybe not for TTC and governments cause the Union counts on the other taxpayers to pay the bills.

You don't think companies would love to pay below minimum wage to workers and make them work llong hours without compensation of course they would. Don't give me the line of "that the workers can leave" since in the current economy many don't have the choice.
Maybe a tiny minority but doubtful for the majority who are not that short-sighted and see the importance of having sustainable cash cows/golden goose.

BTW, since when is it a crime to improve people standard of livings sustainably and ethically, thus earning good money as a result of this outcome?

Maybe it's a crime by default for those extreme left and religious right. Not good to see the societies are taken hostages by these fanatics, instead of people running the system based on meritocracies, fairness and common sense.
 
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My 2 cents worth....

I worked for Ontario Hydro back when it was called Ontario Hydro... and I know first hand the way the Union worked it's ways within the company... now I'm not going to get into a Union.... non-union debate; But I would like to say, there is no way that an essential service like our LIGHTS and HEAT should be privatized that is criminal. As for the LCBO, which is a money maker.. to the point of the 407... Which should have never been sold either... neither should the LCBO... Ok now for the OLG. Which is the biggest screw up since Dunkirk, This needs to be privatized, cleaned up and then taken public. After all OLG covers tracks, lotteries, casinos and scratch tickets... it needs to be cleaned and fixed, with charges to each section that defrauds the public.

Taking the OLG private will clean it up or destroy it... if it lasts, then go IPO and make it a Publicly traded company on the TMX...

Just my opinion, what the hell do I know... I'm a photographer after all :p
 

hinz

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Contrast the excellent service (with a smile) one gets from a bank teller versus the crappy service from a TTC unionized ticket collector. Enought said.
Those working for the banks, from the branch manager to the bank tellers have to smile b/c they want you to feel "special" since you may be receptive to listen any sales pitches. Every one of them have aggressive sales targets to achieve.

As long as they have done their compliance and diligence to get ya to borrow from them and/or invest your hard earn money on their products, they couldn't care less of who you are since you're just one of the millions out there paying the "annuities".:rolleyes:

TTC unionized workforce, on the other hand, have zero incentives to achieve high KPI since they have already taken the transit and the City Hall hostages. Their attitudes are disturbingly identical to bail out i-bankers working for Wall Street firms, meaning they're too big to fail and the taxpayers better give them money or else!!

Unless somehow to get TTC and City Hall under receivership/chapter 11/in bankruptcy and allow the court to renege any outragious not fair entitlements and expenses, I do not see TTC stops being known as Take The Car in my lifetime. The political system is paralized but not yet as bad as the Capitol Hill in DC
 

hinz

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But, I am special. The bank even gave me a nice 2010 calendar.
Sure but the money for printing 2010 calendars are from fees charge on services and deposits from you and me.

BTW, you could always get free calendars from Real Estate agents who could deduct those as business expenses....

Or you could have patience and wait until the end of January to pay your SI Swimsuit Calendar with complimentary poster for 50%-60% off the original cost :rolleyes:
 
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