Ontario offers to take John A. Macdonald statue removed in Victoria
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Yes...or maybe erect another statue honouring the victims of his abuse to stand alongside his statue.
A lot of people see him as an important part of their heritage and it's not your average FN person who asking for this, it's only a handful of FN activists who do not have the support of all FN peoples and mostly white antifa loving idiots, but FN people will get the blame for it, #Antifasowhite. How about we take that money and get FN clean drinking water and gradual funding for schools and training for trades.
As a Black Canadian I am surprised so many people give a shit, so I like to ask:
a) Are you even distantly-related to Sir John MacDonald?
b) Have you EVER mentioned him in casual day-to-day conversation (never been to a party where someone said "you know what was cool about Sir John A..."?)
c) Can you even tell us one non-Googled fact about his life off the top of your head, including his middle name (what the 'A' stands for)
If you can't answer YES to at least two of these three points, you probably shouldn't be getting yourself up in arms over a statue of a guy you know nothing about and never gave a shit about before someone asked to remove it.
a) Are you even distantly-related to Sir John MacDonald?
b) Have you EVER mentioned him in casual day-to-day conversation (never been to a party where someone said "you know what was cool about Sir John A..."?)
c) Can you even tell us one non-Googled fact about his life off the top of your head, including his middle name (what the 'A' stands for)
If you can't answer YES to at least two of these three points, you probably shouldn't be getting yourself up in arms over a statue of a guy you know nothing about and never gave a shit about before someone asked to remove it.
I'd revise question c) so that the fact goes beyond the high school Canadian History textbook.
The point is not the statues, but the message attached to them. We can rewrite that and move the bronzes as often as we're up to it. Simply removing and destroying that evidence of our collective past is the sort of dumb stuff that keeps us ignorant, stupid and prejudiced. It makes it more likely we'll be just as bad as any of the characters in the statues.
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If you go with your 3 points we shouldn't give a shit of many other people like: Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela or Bob Marley all people that Imho should be honored or remembered.
Firstly, they lived with the animals...nuff said.
Secondly, how much abuse and what type makes not in the same league as you mentioned?
Abuse is abuse.
If a man hits his wife with an open hand and another man hits his with his fist, whats the difference?
Going back to the subject, I mentioned in another post that what happened was basically a trial run. Like most things in life, you live and learn and try to fix things if they dont work. Hence our system today.
John A . had a vision. Was it a great idea? Probably not. It was in a primitive setting with primitive people. Did we learn? I hope so?
Remember, at one time it was ok to smoke in the mall. Was it a good thing? And have we come along and changed it? Do we tear down our past politicians accomplishments for letting us smoke in the mall not knowing second hand smoke was causing cancer to others?
https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...-died-in-residential-schools-commission-finds
4000 died
How many kids die in schools today? How many die running away from school? How many commit suicide because of the school system (not bullying)?
Here's an article on the deplorable conditions
https://globalnews.ca/news/2402492/...ents-to-disease-abuse-experiments-trc-report/
How many kids today have been experimented upon? How many are kept close to diseased kids? How many kids are in fire traps?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/thousands-abused-at-residential-schools-stats-show-1.361325
Thousands of kids were abused 7K have come forward
Stupid move by city of Victoria. So are they going to take down and rename every other thing that was negative or offensive to first nations people? What next, rename Victoria to TorontoWest? Non thinking dingbat politicians, trying to make themselves look good to appease first nations wishes.
Surprisingly enough Ravencroft , indeed I can answer yes to at least two of your questions, although of course you have deliberately rigged them.
Indeed Conil's post (#28) is entirely true!
Indeed Conil's post (#28) is entirely true!
The cultural genocide of residential schools was still happening just 22 years ago, it’s not ancient history. PM Stephen Harper apologized on behalf of Canada.
I’d say keep the statues up along with reminders of how destructive our leaders have been.
I’d say keep the statues up along with reminders of how destructive our leaders have been.
I don't even try to take you seriously, but neither of our comments have anything to do with the topic of this thread. What is wrong with including the good with the bad, as long as it is the truth?
It's very sad that arguing bitterly and trading insults about something that's already done and finished is so typical of us here. The statue's gone.
What we'd be far better doing is discussing where best to re-erect it and with what message, or how to make melting it down a better message for those who come after us.
What we'd be far better doing is discussing where best to re-erect it and with what message, or how to make melting it down a better message for those who come after us.
Last time I checked there weren't dozens of statues of Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, and certainly not Bob Marley littered across Canada. My point is regarding STATUES, and I still ask the question: "why does anyone give a shit"?
It's not like they're erasing his name from the history books, and Grade 10 history was the only time I was ever taught anything about the founding of Canada. Grade 8 history in Quebec where I grew up was Global history/civilizations (e.g. Egypt, Greek, Romans, etc.) and stopped with Columbus. Grade 10 history was the founding of Canada and the USA (mostly Canada and the Native tribes).
Personally I think the statue should stay. It bothers me more that catholic schools are named after child molesting priests.The disgusting crimes that the Catholics have committed is more of a concern to me.People seem to give them a free pass for whatever reason.
Except they were the majority at one point, until a bunch of immigrants came and took over the land to make their own country, distorting a culture and way of life in the process.
I personally think the status should have stayed. I think adding to it, to learn of the mistakes made, would have been better.
No, not every country. Only the places you'd rather live.
No minority's dictating to this country — except maybe the minority of one currently in the White House — and I'm happy and proud of the choices and the efforts the majority of Canada is making through our governments and institutions to undo some of the damage we've done to the original peoples of this country and make a better future together.
