Ontario lifts mask mandate in most settings March 21

[Jenesis]

I think all the testing and mandates needs to end TODAY. It is pointless. No reason why any of it needs to continue.

That is not what you said. You said that unvaccinated should still be tested. I was trying to find out why for one and not the other as it made no sense. Now you say all and for everyone. Glad you apparently either made up your mind or changed your mind, but this makes more sense when you included everyone equally.

 

[basketcase]

Why stop testing? You can get COVID with or without the vaccine so why drop them only for vaxxed?

Because the infection rate is noticeably lower for vaccinated people and vaccinated people who get infected have a shorter infectious period and generally are less likely to spread the virus?

 

[NotADcotor]

I'd like to see the vaccine passport apply to everyone who is 18+ as of march this year forever. Even if covid dies out, keep the passports for those who couldn't be bothered to do their bit [aside from legit medical exemptions] because fuck them, that's why.

As for masks, they require so little effort and bother, no real harm in keeping them going for longer.

 

[The Fox]

One lesson from Covid is that I’ve lost faith in compassion and human nature. We are a shit show. Lol.

 

[whollycheeses]

Because the infection rate is noticeably lower for vaccinated people and vaccinated people who get infected have a shorter infectious period and generally are less likely to spread the virus?

The problem is, that isn't true and hasn't been true for months. The number of cases in fully vaccinated people shot well past non-vaccinated in December and hasn't recovered. The number of vaxxed cases in hospital remains at about 75% of the hospitalizations, and the number in ICU of vaccinated people is still above 50%. I fail to see how this vaccine helped stop anything. If it were truly effective, we should see almost no cases amongst fully vaccinated at this point.

 

[Jenesis]

The problem is, that isn't true and hasn't been true for months. The number of cases in fully vaccinated people shot well past non-vaccinated in December and hasn't recovered. The number of vaxxed cases in hospital remains at about 75% of the hospitalizations, and the number in ICU of vaccinated people is still above 50%. I fail to see how this vaccine helped stop anything. If it were truly effective, we should see almost no cases amongst fully vaccinated at this point.

Another one who doesn’t understand population percentage.

There are over 80% that are vaxed, but even with what you showed, unvaxxed took more then 50% of ICU beds when they only represent less then 20% of the population. So the vaccine is working and the stats are true that unvaxxed are effect more. You need to know how to read and use the number correctly to understand the full big picture.

 

[whollycheeses]

Another one who doesn’t understand population percentage.

There are over 80% that are vaxed, but even with what you showed, unvaxxed took more then 50% of ICU beds when they only represent less then 20% of the population. So the vaccine is working and the stats are true that unvaxxed are effect more. You need to know how to read and use the number correctly to understand the full big picture.

I think you need to look at the chart again for ICU. It clearly shows that over 50% are fully vaccinated not unvaccinated. And one of the things we were told is that this vaccine even if it doesn't work will keep you out of hospital. Ahem, so much for that.

As far as population percentage goes, you're absolutely right. With 80 to 90% of Ontarians fully vaccinated, the only cases we should really be seeing are amongst unvaccinated people, with a very small number of vaccinated people who for whatever reason still contracted it. They should not be the vast majority of cases at this point.

 

[Jenesis]

I think you need to look at the chart again for ICU. It clearly shows that over 50% are fully vaccinated not unvaccinated. And one of the things we were told is that this vaccine even if it doesn't work will keep you out of hospital. Ahem, so much for that.

As far as population percentage goes, you're absolutely right. With 80 to 90% of Ontarians fully vaccinated, the only cases we should really be seeing are amongst unvaccinated people, with a very small number of vaccinated people who for whatever reason still contracted it. They should not be the vast majority of cases at this point.

So you don’t understand that the vaccine is not a cure then. Got it. Although, did look at the numbers wrong, population percentage still plays. I haven’t had enough coffee to figure out the actual % right now, but ICU and hospital stay is more then 20-30% for unvaxxed. That is still correct.

 

[Jenesis]

Can't wait to share my dirty unvaxxed breath with you jabbers and dine right beside you, and the best part you will never ever know.
I will also be fucking the same SPs as you, I wonder if an unvaxxed cim/cof is gonna bother you?

We all know unvaccinated sperm is the new bitcoin!

You have been fucking the same SPs as vaxxed for a year now, why does it make a difference now???? LOL.

 

[whollycheeses]

So you don’t understand that the vaccine is not a cure then. Got it. Although, did look at the numbers wrong, population percentage still plays. I haven’t had enough coffee to figure out the actual % right now, but ICU and hospital stay is more then 20-30% for unvaxxed. That is still correct.

So you agree that the vaccine is useless. Got it.
If a vaccine works, like most others before this one, percentage of the population doesn't matter. The case number should be statistically zero for vaccinated people (never totally there's always exceptions) and you should see almost 100% of cases belonging to unvaccinated people.

The explanation that x% of the population is vaccinated so obviously x% of the cases will be in that population, is ridiculous. It just confirms that it doesn't work.

 

[Jenesis]

It doesn't to me, but it will really agitate someone who identifies with being vaccinated as their religion and wants a tiered or divided society.

Then they wouldn’t be fucking SPs at all now would they? L:OL

 

[Jenesis]

So you agree that the vaccine is useless. Got it.
If a vaccine works, like most others before this one, percentage of the population doesn't matter. The case number should be statistically zero for vaccinated people (never totally there's always exceptions) and you should see almost 100% of cases belonging to unvaccinated people.

The explanation that x% of the population is vaccinated so obviously x% of the cases will be in that population, is ridiculous. It just confirms that it doesn't work.

You don’t understanda anything. It is not useless but meh - believe what you want, I really couldn’t give a shit. It is clear you don’’t understand how the numbers work. I mean to say population percentage doesn’t matter is assine. Just like it doesn’t matter that POC rep 20% of american popultion but 80% of prison population. Yeah - population percetnage doesn’t matter at all. LMAO

Done with you now. Laters pumpkin

 

[whollycheeses]

You don’t understanda anything. It is not useless but meh - believe what you want, I really couldn’t give a shit. It is clear you don’’t understand how the numbers work. I mean to say population percentage doesn’t matter is assine. Just like it doesn’t matter that POC rep 20% of american popultion but 80% of prison population. Yeah - population percetnage doesn’t matter at all. LMAO

Done with you now. Laters pumpkin

Sorry if logic, reason and facts bother you.
You're right though, there's no sense trying to continue this conversation.

Take care.

 

[benstt]

As far as population percentage goes, you're absolutely right. With 80 to 90% of Ontarians fully vaccinated, the only cases we should really be seeing are amongst unvaccinated people, with a very small number of vaccinated people who for whatever reason still contracted it. They should not be the vast majority of cases at this point.

Why? The vaccinated are a huge population, and if you apply a low rate to a large population, you will still get a significant absolute number. It is a low rate among the vaccinated, not zero.

The original poster talked about rates per population, and you respond with absolute numbers, then try to argue about the ratios of absolute numbers to each other without understanding it well.

 

[shack]

The problem is, that isn't true and hasn't been true for months. The number of cases in fully vaccinated people shot well past non-vaccinated in December and hasn't recovered. The number of vaxxed cases in hospital remains at about 75% of the hospitalizations, and the number in ICU of vaccinated people is still above 50%. I fail to see how this vaccine helped stop anything. If it were truly effective, we should see almost no cases amongst fully vaccinated at this point.

Go take a grade 4 math class.

 

[Jenesis]

I'm not following... maybe I'm not too sharp today. What do you mean?

Either that or bad joke. I will take the fall this time. LOL.

 

[Valcazar]

So you agree that the vaccine is useless. Got it.
If a vaccine works, like most others before this one, percentage of the population doesn't matter. The case number should be statistically zero for vaccinated people (never totally there's always exceptions) and you should see almost 100% of cases belonging to unvaccinated people.

The explanation that x% of the population is vaccinated so obviously x% of the cases will be in that population, is ridiculous. It just confirms that it doesn't work.

None of this is true, as others have pointed out.

 

[basketcase]

The problem is, that isn't true and hasn't been true for months. ...

The Ontario positivity data is very flawed as most people can't access the PCR tests that are included in that data. A vast majority of the people able to get tested are people working in industries like medicine where vaccines are required so the numbers of unvaccinated people able to get tested is so low it skews the data.

Here is the US data which is not based on limited testing access.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

The hospitalization and ICU data you posted actually undermine your argument. The 9% of the 12+ population that is unvaccinated make up 28% of hospitalizations and 40% of ICU cases.

And as I said, the infectious period for vaccinated people is about half that of unvaxxed. That means that unvaccinated people are infecting people for a longer time (and thus are more of a risk).

 

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[K Douglas]

Another one who doesn’t understand population percentage.

There are over 80% that are vaxed, but even with what you showed, unvaxxed took more then 50% of ICU beds when they only represent less then 20% of the population. So the vaccine is working and the stats are true that unvaxxed are effect more. You need to know how to read and use the number correctly to understand the full big picture.

If the vaccine was working there wouldn't be more fully vaccinated than non vaccinated in the hospitals period. Regardless of percentage of population breakdown.